Ranger future

[Gear]

Pfff… so many threads about rangers, here is my prediction on how things are going to go after a couple of patches.

First of all, how is it like to be a stealther? Please do contribute your experiences as well, but what I found out since February 2004 (yes, I don’t play since beta, nor since release) is the following:

Patience is a virtue. That applies not only when it comes to levelling, but also when it comes to hunting. I had learned the old alb frontiers by heart, as emain was always zerged and odin’s became one of the same, tho I did managed to catch it up before the zerg moved there, when one could actually run almost till nott unstealthed.

Countless hours in order to get some xp-ers out there, same amount of hours camping sauvage and svasud in order to get a handful of rps. The rewards were not that high, but the thrill was there everytime I was encountering someone.

Now, most rangers, including me some times, just go to keeps and towers, they spam a button and get rps (kind of like sorcerers but a bit different). However, teleport, and zerging will eventually fade away, call it either that the initial hype will just go, or that the incoming patches will make it so that travelling will require a bit longer, hence the zerg and the adds will diminish. What then?

I didn’t manage play as much as I’d like to in the days following NF, but I found out the following. NF geography matters a LOT. There are amazing camp-spots all over the frontier areas, easily identifiable by someone looking out for them. However, what one needs to find them is the virtue I mentioned above.

So my prediction is that after the zerg goes away, there’ll be a filtering out of the rangers who do enjoy their characters and really pay attention to their play-style, with the FOTM ones (don’t take that as PLd ones) that are in to it just to leech RPs.

Too bored to write more, contribute, flame, do whatever!

 

[Gray-CF]

im at work so no time to fully reply

but pretty much 100% spot on with what i think m8

 

[Thanatlos]

btw, what do you rangers think about penetrating arrow.. necessary or redundant?

 

[Auriel]

Hopefully RvR will keep me interested this time I ended up with a huge hate list of things about OF, basically my class being sidelined as a 'solo class' excuded from mainstream RvR... which given this is my first and favourite class, I wasn't too happy when I hit 50 and was effectivly told to fuck off uke:

I'm constantly amused and ashamed of people complaining about archer power on one hand, and not including them in mainstream RvR on the other. There's this whole 'leech' attitude that somehow sniping out enemies and suppressing them isn't useful to RvR. What's it like being pinned down by scouts? Do they have a big effect in Albion's RvR? You bet. Rangers get mostly hate in hib for doing the same job, and mostly no support either.

If there's one thing I really want out of NF it's for gank groups to die and for a more inclusive RvR where outcasts can return to the Hibernian fold.

Gank guilds make up what... 5% of the population maybe? Just think of how many hibs actually post to FH... got to be a fraction of the playerbase. So the crowd on FH is a minority of players, and a lot are gank guild material that I'm not going to miss. If the casuals who don't post here, don't have many mls, realm ranks, remotely decent gear, actually get to have a blast in NF without gankers to plague them, then I say that's a great thing

Sorry if I sound bitter, but as a long time ranger OF was not fun for me on my own, and I had no intention of joining the meaningless stealther wars that are just about rps, building egos, and nothing to do with the overall realm war I wanted in on. As a ranger, I think NF is my best chance of feeling useful for once :wub:

 

[Nausilus^^]

I haven't played my ranger since before NF release (been too busy nursing my savage, farming template stuff for 2h spec), but I can see on mid/pryd that there are archers everywhere so far. When RvR'ing I usually roam around with my brother playing his skald, and although we don't often get attacked by archers because of our movement speed, I do notice throngs of archers camping battlements in the keeps, towers, bridges, ruins, hills or just grey con mobs where they are hard to be detected.

I played ranger for 1 run, but the amount of other rangers stealthing around just made me feel like I was in this huge crowd where I was surrounded by stealthers just a few range units out of stealth detection everywhere I went. Defended a keep at one point where there were 10+ archers in just 1 of the corners of the keeps. Don't even dare guess how many other archers were camping other spots in the keep.

Ah well, I guess I'm just being paranoid, but I don't like the thought of the frontiers crawling with archers just skulking around waiting for the next leech session (even though I've always belived there was no such thing as leeching, it's just to use a term that everyone understands).

I love NF because I can duo with my brother on 2 melee chars, but I hate it because of the massive amount of archers.

 

[vintervargen]

theres no use of speccing a ranger in melee anymore really.

1) you wont get any 1vs1 fights.
2) even if you do, it will be you vs assassin, and unless you got ip and puge and FZ and a bit of luck, you wont kill him.

so... :\

 

[Ash']

only testin ive been doing is with mos, had 4 for the 1st week, going to test 5 over the weekend hope its worth the points

 

[liloe]

First to Thanatlos cause it's the short reply =)
I think it's redundant cause if I want to shoot someone in a group, I open the fight with trueshot, thus braking bladeturn anyways and not many pbt going anyways I guess.

Well then to Gear, I gotta agree that the ranger class requires a lot of patience to play, but it's still a fun class, if you play ranger style like waiting and sneaking like you describe. I think I can agree on the sensations you have when engaging in a fight and maybe even winning =))

 

[Tallen]

Wait until Catacombs when everyone rolls a nightshade

 

[Theseus]

theres no use of speccing a ranger in melee anymore really.

1) you wont get any 1vs1 fights.
2) even if you do, it will be you vs assassin, and unless you got ip and puge and FZ and a bit of luck, you wont kill him.

so... :\

There are more 1vs1 fight with NF then with OF my friend. Mostly because off the many possible campspots as Gear mentioned. (Gear : Noobie archer off the year in my book, what he says is never wrong and he has the right mind to play a stealther. BEGONE FOTM stealthers!!! :touch: )

You are right about the archer VS assasin though

 

[Nausilus^^]

Wait until Catacombs when everyone rolls a nightshade

Ok haven't read much about catacombs.. why would everyone roll NS's in catacombs? Or is it a sarcastic remark I don't understand because my lack of knowledge about catacombs?

 

[censi]

1) you wont get any 1vs1 fights.
2) even if you do, it will be you vs assassin, and unless you got ip and puge and FZ and a bit of luck, you wont kill him

its hard to get 1v1's for sure. But if you do find a solo assasin you can put them through the treadmill. Im MOS5 so if I see an assasin, I usually buff sheer and shoot and FZ and tbh they are fooked. If it all goes tits up I can IP. Thats not to say im never going to loose to an assasin again 1v1. I just think its a bit fairer now.

I think being high RR as a ranger gives more possibilities, but a melee ranger with all the fluff can also do well.

it really depends on the quality of the opponent. a good assasin or SB can still totally tear you a new one if they get on you though so you play a risky game trying to outmelee assasins.

I cba with the tower humping, but I never really cared about RP tbh.
So i tried roaming. The map is a gr8 snap shot indicator of where the action is and enables you to camp the teleport keep where the enemy comes in. You really can get newbs running past but the problem is you have to be patient, if you go to close you have about 10 times the chance of getting adds, almosts like a 1v1 stealther fight at amg emain in primetime.

Im not sure why but I just want all the hype to die down and things to be a bit more routine before i start RVRing again. I certainly want all the FOTM rangers/scouts/hunters to FO a bit, but tbh u cant have it both ways, I hated my class being underpowered but as soon as it became viable u got to expect all the players (easier moders, soz could not resist) to start wanting to play it.

Anyway if you have a lvl 50 ranger who is around 1-2 months old rolled for NF. Your gonna get some stick for a while.

 

[-Palan-]

well i've been playing NF for what? 3days now?

and i want OF's back, its

a) to zergy
b) i get no 1on1's
c) u get leeched on or leech urself
d) hardly any skill involved in how everyone plays there archers these days(sit in a keep and fire them arrows... yey)
e) oh well, gonna have to try around more, but most of the times it was too laggy zergy for me...

 

[Leathas]

I hate my main character,maybe i should have stopped lvling him as my first char when a warden in innis carthaig said " stop leveing your ranger,you'll be very gimped in rvr!rangers are useless"
I know,I am not a very good player,I cant pwnz0r anyone that I jump on to.But at least,I did take a lot of pleasure from my class when I duoed(thanks gear ).Which is long gone because of absurd archer population roaming in frontiers.

and now,here we are,%50 of server is archers,%25 is bolt casters and the remaining %25 is normal daily-nonfotm classes

how nice
great game balance
think i'll just move to WoW and play a class which is gimped to oblivion from start,so that it cant be fotm in any form.Not much point left in playing a "ranger" anymore.

/whine off
my time is almost done in daoc i believe.

 

[Spamb0t]

and now,here we are,%50 of server is archers,%25 is bolt casters and the remaining %25 is normal daily-nonfotm classes

not like its even close to 50% archers..

 

[censi]

yer lols its more like 10-20% i would guess.

but it is pin cushion central out there.

 

[Soulja_IA_]

As of many Posts been made about Rangers I made mine Which btw is my 4th Lvl 50 I made around a year ago now :-Reason being Sick of wanting to RvR but Staying in DL shouting (LFG) was soooooooooo Demorilising hour after hour.
You used to get 1 or 2 Runs get Zerged Group splits Try Odins get 1/2 fg do quick run few Rps Die /Release Try again Group falls apart /release Oh the Times I did.
FOTM Rangers atm are mostly all Fins PL I See the Old Timers out there Censi/Ozzrique & many more Gear I know put a lot of time and Patience in his Char had some good Scouting around Old Pennines hee hee.
My 1st char was a Champ Loved him to bits but as I say LFG in DL put pay to his days of RvRing.This also Applies to my Eld who I loved playing but his RvR days are numbered as well

TOA Put pay to most of this as well I'm not a 24/7 player as most are but I like playing the Game I also Like Hib Dam GARGO hee hee got me in this game 3 yrs ago and I not looked back (Wife Hates it btw) but I'm Proud of being a Hibbie but over the years unless you in Right Guild with Perfect game play for most then reaching that High Accolade will never happen.
I like my Ranger I solo a lot with my Ranger as I soloed him to 50 same as 90% of my Chars I Try helping overs if situation allows just like my Old friend Wicardonn (May he RIP) did Dam miss him 1 of true chars you could meet only wish People in this game had same opinion on how to play as him.

There nothing wrong in Playing a Ranger wether PL from Fins or not the People who play Ranger Well and Enjoys his Ranger will last longer than those who think they good.

Went on longer than I hoped this post
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Godoftrees

 

[Radix]

Censi, how is it a fairer fight when you always get to start the fight due to MoS, have access to current zephyr and in the end got IP? (not to mention phase shift, desperate bowman and silly bow dmg while option to spec for strong melee easily if you ever want to play assassin style)

atlantis really gave all archers scary dmg in either bow or melee after what they desired.

Theres nothing fair in zephyr. and even without - rangers, scouts and hunters can be lunatics to fight.

Im glad for rangers but your power is also held by scout and hunters.

 

[Miho]

Well, for me stealthing in future is mostly with ranger I guess. I've really loved my NS more but since practically all archers out there have high MoS it leads to uneasy situation.

As NS I have to be close to routes to attack. Since there is constant flow of archers on routes too it means that with no doubt there are archers passing all the time and with high MoS they can see me miles away. If they have camo up .... I'm blind. The outcome is usually one of the following:

1) Archer is fully opted and eats me for breakfast (referring to Censi)
2) There's a whole group of them and I'm turned in a pincushion immediately
3) I'll be popped out in front of passing enemies

Yeah .... I know my NS is low RR and everything but still ....

As a ranger I can at least hide, or see the enemies with equal chances even if camo is down and I can't hide so well. I'll still be roaming around, just in a bit different form.

 

[Auriel]

ToA gave rangers some awesome toys and NF gave them some awesome RA's. I've been loving the style changes (CD side stun opener, yum!), and spec wise we've spec AF to look forward to in a forthcoming patch (Mythic sure took their time ), and Wyrd's VN revelation has made life pretty interesting for all classes that spec melee/bow. So er... yeah I feel pretty good now really

 

[Tallen]

ToA gave rangers some awesome toys and NF gave them some awesome RA's. I've been loving the style changes (CD side stun opener, yum!), and spec wise we've spec AF to look forward to in a forthcoming patch (Mythic sure took their time ), and Wyrd's VN revelation has made life pretty interesting for all classes that spec melee/bow. So er... yeah I feel pretty good now really

I was under the impression that wyrd's experimenting was based on the various weapon spec, weapon skill and dual wielding, main and off hand damages....i was unaware that he had anything to say about bow specs in that they are not a styled attack, surely?

I thought i had read that whole thread a short while ago, but I'd like to know what I have obviously missed.

 

[Radix]

The conclusion is that you only need 51 total in blades/pierce if you use styles from celtic duel (shades could stay in critical strike)

 

[Kaun_IA]

now when NF is hot now stuff ill say the zergs will remain for some time.
mybe in 2-3 months u can get 1vs1 fights more.

evry one wants to try NF....

hopefully it will get better...



btw 1-50 power lvld rangers suckkkk couse thy dont have eny skill of using them.

 

[Kokelimonkelmedisin]

btw 1-50 power lvld rangers suckkkk couse thy dont have eny skill of using them.

you dont learn anything from pve ^^

and rvr isnt excatly demanding, the primary advantage daoc players have over daoc noobs
is knowing what each and every class is capable off and not capable of.,.,

 

[Spamb0t]

btw 1-50 power lvld rangers suckkkk couse thy dont have eny skill of using them.

hhehhieh

 

[Boni]

you dont learn anything from pve ^^

and rvr isnt excatly demanding, the primary advantage daoc players have over daoc noobs
is knowing what each and every class is capable off and not capable of.,.,

PVE is very usefull for some people. You get a good chance to workout what all your styles do, setup effiecnt quickbars, learn the bits n bobs you char has been given. Its also very usefull for new players to meet and develop relationships with other players and see what other characters are capable off.

Though I agree that perhaps for someone with a lvl 50 expd the traditional way (as opposed to afk at fins till 50), theres not much to be learnt from doing it all again.