Raids and Times...

[Bluesky]

No disrespect but is this Sunday Dragon Killing going to be a regular thing? As we now have 3 Dragon Raids a week it seems a bit overkill, and as I don't like to arrange raids that step on the toes of others it is becoming increasingly difficult to find slots to fit ML raids in.

Again, not trying to be a nuisance, I just would like to think we have some slots left for the fundamentals

Due to Zedenz's post in the Dragon Raid thread which is detailed above I think some discussion may be needed about raid timings.

Zed, I wasnt aware there were 3 regular dragon raids a week - Durgi has run a single Dragon raid afaik recently and has another planned for this Friday. I used to run the occasional raid on sundays (not overlapping any other raids) aswell as wednesdays as ppl asked for it which they have done again recently and due the the current lack of respec stones on CM's I really dont see a problem here.

What is a Fundamental Raid btw? ML? Arti? Dragon?

It seems to me that at the moment that people are intentionally running raids at the same time as mine - not quite sure why and having spoke to Durgi he promised me he would not be running any raids at all on a Wednesday and to quote him directly:

@@[Chat] Sojik: "I won't raid on a wednesday mate wouldn't dream of it"
@@[Chat] Sojik: "hell wednesday is my night off "
@@[Chat] Sojik: "one thing I say now as we've both been open about this when it comes to relic raiding I never stick to schedules etc... and I will come stampeding through your planned evening if the timing etc is right to grab a relic "
@@[Chat] Azzarri: "if you come "stapeding through my planned evening" then thats your choice m8 and I woudlnt try to do anyting to stop that - ppl will do and go where they wish"

Yet last wednesday he ran an ML raid and I have jsut seen a message on alliance chat from Zed saying Durgi is running an event tonight - a 2nd Wednesday running.

I have always run my raids at differing times to all others but if people would rather I stopped runnign them then no problem - a much easier life for me tbh.

The rare occasion a major raid has run at the same time as mine (other than an ml marathon) has been when the leader posted his/her thread after mine.

I have no problem with people running raids at any time even overlapping mine if needed as it is everyones right to play the game how they like - all I have asked in the past was a little consideration towards others who also run raids so the force of midgard won't be too "diluted" on any of the raids they choose to go on.

I have no wish to "fall out" with anyone in our glorious realm and get on with just about everyone (yes even Brite ) but if Durgi, Zedenz or anyone has a problem with me or my raids then plz say so as in the many raids I have run I have only ever had one single complaint.

 

[Durgi]

Blue no one is complaining about any of your raids. I believe Zed was asking if you were intending on 2 opted DR's a week full stop.

As for me deciding on a bit of RvR fun this evening why not? You DR is opted and consists of 23 selected individuals whom will all attend as thats what they have decided to do. I am merely giving the rest of the realm something to do, as theres another 200 odd middies to keep entertained.

I see no issue what so ever in myself or any raid organisor running a raid that clashes with your opted DR's as the people going on it are preselected. As for you quote of our conversation.. I feel the context of that quote should be brought into light.. I would not raid the dragon on a wednesday, wouldn't dream of it!!!

As for ML8 this Sunday yes sadly again it clashes with your Second opted Dragon raid of the week. The timing is based upon when it is convienent for those people who have ASKED me to run it for them, as well as my own timetable. I have guests for dinner Sunday evening, and as they all work like most of us during the week.. Evening raids for them are difficult specially one as long winded as ML8. I didn't pick Saturday cause it would clash with your sash raids.. I Didn't ask Zed to shift around his ml10 raids.. so 3:30 gmt Sunday afternoon it is.

You already run 5 raids a week mate, and I take my hat for you doing so.. The only ones clashed raids would effect are your FFA raids.. which aren't whole necessary but very good to have. ML raids are pretty much a requirement these days, everyone needs and wants them done and I will give them to people who ask. I'm ML10 myself I'm not leveling any more toons on this server so I have nothing to gain from them, bar the satisfaction of helping my friends achieve something.

As for RvR raids, damn right I'm going to run them, and constantly. Midgard has grown fat on too much PvE.. there are two sides to this game, pve and rvr I like both. And I'll raid albion and hibernia's frontier with any middie who wants too.. whenever they or I want.

D.

 

[Coolan]

I'm not leveling any more toons on this server D.

yes you will a zerker or savage.

 

[semanon]

lol too much PvE my arse. You have been away to long Durgi. Yes there are PvE raids but fat on PvE --- I think not.

 

[Zedenz]

I think you misunderstood Blue, I was just asking if Sundays would be a regular Dragon Killing day so that I could plan MLs around them if so, otherwise Sunday aftertoons would be prime ML Raid time for me.

As there is already 2 Dragon Raids this week a third on a prime raid slot seemed overkill to me. However not a problem, I always try to respect other raids when possible so will not arrange any further ML raids on Sunday afternoons if you want to raid the Dragon then.

I do however agree with Durgi in the fact that the Dragon raids affect so few people anyway that running other raids in junction with them isn't as detrimental as running two FFA's at the same time for example.

Other then that there is not a problem here, the raid schedule in mid is pretty hectic though at the moment and as Durgi rightly pointed out, Master Levels are a huge part of daoc these days and there should be some slots left for ML raids where appropriate.

 

[Cadelin]

What is a Fundamental Raid btw? ML? Arti? Dragon?

I think it is important to say that not all raids carry equal importance. It shouldn't be seen as an insult or an attempt to savotage somebody elses raid if somebody plans one at the same time. You should however consider the impact your raid will have on somebody elses raid.

In my opinion the long established FFA raids should not be interupted they are reasonably fast and start and finish at fairly predicatable times so it should be easy to work around them.

However I would also say that I would have no problems personally arranging a raid that clashed with one of Bluesky's dragon raids (for example) simply because it only takes 23 people and they need to sign up before hand. Obviously you would need to give fair warning so people wouldn't have to pull out of the Dragon raid at the last moment etc

Think numbers, if your raid needs 50+ people to be a success it will need to be in a time slot of its own. If it requires 20 people or less then I see no reason why we can't run mutliple raids at the same time.

 

[Starwind]

As for RvR raids, damn right I'm going to run them, and constantly. Midgard has grown fat on too much PvE.. there are two sides to this game, pve and rvr I like both. And I'll raid albion and hibernia's frontier with any middie who wants too.. whenever they or I want.

Ha Ha Durgi what makes you think that Midgard is going to follow someone with laggy laptop in to NF.

Durgi its time to stop pretending that you are Midgards great, and stop telling lies.

Tbh my bum hole has produced better things Durgi my old china.

Btw im looking forward to the Mulan 2005, i hear you have a market with computer bits that you have collected over the years.

Durgi for King .

PS: Durgi the hole you are standing in , is what you have dug yourself, and if you dont feel like you are standing in one, you will at somepoint.

 

[Haroat]

if he runs raids that work, and are (more importantly) fun, then to be honest i couldnt care less what comp / laptop he plays on.. why would that make a slight difference to his raid leading ability?

i agree with durgi this time, sorry blue and everyone that agreed with him, but there is no reason at all not to have some extra variety in the realm, and definately some more rvr RAIDS, not rvr excursions for rp's, RAIDS.

sometimes people fail to see that realm bonuses affect pve aswell as rvr...

and Zardo... were u around in the Durgi / Roo era's? if you were then i have one question:
what the fuck are u talking about? they both helped the realm more than i have seen anyone ever do before in rvr.
if not:
be quiet.

 

[belxavier]

Not gonna take sides in this, but I think there should be no problem for people if there is slight clashes with smaller raids its nice not to step on each others toes and we all try to respect the long standing FFA times.

As for rest time we have already a plethora of pve and other raids so it is inevitable some may clash, but im sure the individuals involved will not do it unless they find other commitments or raids times reduce the choice of times available. As others have said at the end of the day the people involved sign up for the non ffa raids so they have already signed up or commited to it and should honour that.

On the other hand im sure there is a mass amount of people who dont make it onto say blue's DR who could well enjoy something else to fill those hours. I hope people can see eye to eye and realise it shouldnt be taken personally if another raid is posted on same day/similar time.

belx

 

[Starwind]

and Zardo... were u around in the Durgi / Roo era's? if you were then i have one question:

ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

Another one of Durgi's hand maidens.

End of the day Haroat actions speak louder than any words, and has far as im concerned they have already been spoken.

Maybe Durgi should stick to RvR if he is a RvR god and try gain some respect back instead of clashing with people raids wich can be upsetting for some people.

Im just saying what alot of people are thinking and saying.

 

[Haroat]

ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

Another one of Durgi's hand maidens.

End of the day Haroat actions speak louder than any words, and has far as im concerned they have already been spoken.

Maybe Durgi should stick to RvR if he is a RvR god and try gain some respect back instead of clashing with people raids wich can be upsetting for some people.

Im just saying what alot of people are thinking and saying.

Well then, you sir, are a pratt.

Its not clashing with raids, or does dragon raid's stop anyone doing anything on a wednesday night? what do those people do, sit and watch? i think not, people need variety, fair enough i go on the dragon raids more often than not, thats because i enjoy them. if i dont get on one, ill go on another raid.

I feel that most of mid would like some variety, u may have noticed we have well over 100 lvl 50's on primetime, -23 for dragon raid (in this case) then -another 20 or so, leaves 60 ish lvl 50 mids that might be bored shitless.

im no handmaiden, I, like you, am just voicing my opinion.

Oh and by the way, if u want durgi to stick to RvR, shall we just let him cancel his ml raids, the ones that he does because people ask him to, or because people need them?

Durgi does things for the realm, for his friends, he is very un-selfish. Like-wise for all of the regular raid organisers, the variety is good, if it clashes a few times then it clashes a few times.

 

[Cylian]

try running a raid of your own Starwind, then come back slinging mud.

All of them, Bluesky, Durgi and all the other raid leaders are doing a great service to the realm, if you don't like it, don't take part in them. The only one standing in a self-dug hole is yourself.

And otherwise, I don't see much of a problem with Dragon Raids and RvR raids for the same reasons that're already posted. Don't think that anyone wants to ruin the established raids. But looking at the stickies in the midgard section, there's lots of raids atm, fitting them all in a place where as many as possible have a chance to attend seems like a pretty tough job.

btw, anyone else noticed a distinguised similiarity between Blueskies beard and the beard of the King of Midgard in Darkness Rising ?

 

[Starwind]

Haroat it doesnt take rocket science to work out that having ML's in the same timeframe as a Dragon raid etc etc, is going to exclude people who have put there name down for a Dragon raid who may want that ML, its called being fair.

So dont keep yapping on about how great he is and what he has done, so just enjoy your respec stone which you optained from Blue's Dragon Raid and get back in your corner.

Case closed, i have some guests over for dinner.

 

[Coolan]

Im not one myself to take sides, but in the past when there has been one of blues dragon raids, people have canceled after getting grps cause someone has at a later date posted a ml raid, so it does interfer as you are always gonna get people like that.

 

[Haroat]

Haroat it doesnt take rocket science to work out that having ML's in the same timeframe as a Dragon raid etc etc, is going to exclude people who have put there name down for a Dragon raid who may want that ML, its called being fair.

aha.. fair.. so then, if thats called being fair, what about the other 180 people?.. is it fair that they are excluded from a raid due to class restrictions, level restrictions, or maybe they just dont like things like that?

So dont keep yapping on about how great he is and what he has done, so just enjoy your respec stone which you optained from Blue's Dragon Raid and get back in your corner.

Case closed, i have some guests over for dinner.

hmmm, why put that in bold? yes, i went on blue's dr tonight, i also happened to go on durgi's ml4 raid last week (and no, i didnt cancel on the dragon raid) having people cancel on it is lame yes i agree, but it cannot be helped to be honest, i'd prefer to have 2 raids so the whole realm can join in, even if some cancel from one to go to the other, than have 1 raid with 40 odd people in it, and the rest not.

 

[Haroat]

Im not one myself to take sides, but in the past when there has been one of blues dragon raids, people have canceled after getting grps cause someone has at a later date posted a ml raid, so it does interfer as you are always gonna get people like that.

sorry steve buddy but i disagree, no one post's ml raids the night before, and as blue normally puts his groups on the forum on tuesday night... they have plenty of time to decide whether or not they want to do a dragon raid

 

[mercury]

Sojerk

Hey Starwind,
What you playing at m8? No point in trying to assassinate a person's character when there's no character to assassinate.
Join the Club - that's the one where you voice an opinion and get called a pratt by some spotty 17 year old who reckons he's soo well-adjusted or some other person who is so far immersed colonically he can see tonsils. So far it has 2 founder members - me and thee.
Get a grip - can't you see that clashing raids are run because they're 'asked for' and have nothing to do with the raid leader's personal requirements? You are one disturbed individual if you see any sinister motive in what's happening at the moment. I'm sure you haven't noticed, as I haven't, any change of tone in Midgard since the Saviour arrived. All I can say is a couple of guys I had a great deal of respect for have been drawn into the net - something which Saviours are very good at doing, then vanishing for ever.
All we need now are a coupla High Priests and a Roman legion.

 

[Coolan]

sorry steve buddy but i disagree, no one post's ml raids the night before, and as blue normally puts his groups on the forum on tuesday night... they have plenty of time to decide whether or not they want to do a dragon raid

just the other day on one of blues dragon raids we had a couple of people who left it till we were getting the grps sorted to inform us that they were going on ml raids.

 

[Zebolt]

I think it is important to say that not all raids carry equal importance.

Importance to whom? All raids carry different importance to every single individual, so who can say what's more important that the other? I would say every raid carries equal importance since the values are different between what ppl think is important and not.

 

[Brite]

shut up with the pointless bitching before i kick all of your asses

always funny to read mercs post, she must be smacked off her tits 24/7

and dont drag me into your ego wars bluesky, just all get your schlongs out and measure and then ill get mine out and slap you in the face with it and you will all shut up

bitches

 

[Zedenz]

Just when we thought this thread couldn't get any uglier, Brite makes a token apperance.

I agree, Mercury is hilarious always fun to read, the Roman Legion comment I found most facetious. :wub:

Also Brite is correct, the thread got a bit out of hand..As I stated earlier, my first post in the DR thread wasn't meant to come accross as tenebrous at all, I just wanted a heads up on whether I could start using Sunday afternoons for ML Raids as I have quite a few alts I want MLing (having semi-retired the Blade for the time being) and a small army of Mids have recently been requesting further ML9 raids from my part.

Anyways, Tally Ho, keep up the good work chaps. I do hope I have not angered you Mercury as you're one of Mids finest PvE Raiders.

As we are talking Romans I thought I'd leave you with an appropriate quote, "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum".

Forever Yours, Signed

Zedenk Calliope

 

[Ixoth]

Hi,

I'd like to add my $0.02 here. FH supports this Calendar feature (check the top row of the header of the web page), here all (including, but not excluded say raid leaders), can add a new event. Why not use that? there everyone can check forthcoming raids (by clicking on the calendar), see if its reoccuring and so one. It also help raid leaders to plan raid to not clitch or conflict with other raids.

And I do realise, that not all will use FH. But ones who do, use the Calendar feature here, if you cannot otherwise post a raid with guide lines posted here as a sticky thread by Bluesky.

Personal note (and not meant to offense to anyone), I hate the fact that raids overlap weekly planned raids - well in that case at least, that these both would be a raid which I'd like participiate. I think raid leaders should have some respect amongst themselves, and not to make this happen (of course thats different case if these raid leaders have acknowledged with themselves that its ok that raids overlap).

 

[blejs]

From my point of view i dont think its even a problem if ML raids are on FFA raids like sash/erinys/zokarth.

Since those raids are also for ppl that want stuff from it like ml xp/arti/other drop.

But i suppose it might get tricky to get ppl if there is ml raid at same time.

But also, if ppl decide to leave as some apperntly did on your DR raid, i say fuck em. Fuck em all

Just write down name and dont invite again simple thing

 

[Amiga]

Less QQ and more ML3 raids please :<

 

[Chap]

Less QQ, less PvE and more RvR. Second thoughts we allready got too big a mid RvR pop. So plz stay on your quest to ToA out all your 20 char slots on both your main and your buffbots account.

 

[Zedenz]

Your RR4 Healer makes you Mister RvR does it?

 

[Aeris]

Your RR4 Healer makes you Mister RvR does it?

rofl i soo nearly posted that

 

[Brite]

he was original megarevs or smt but whatever still a good player but he does have a point with people toaing so many charecters why not concentrate on one, get it to the best standard you can and then maybe you might get some groups in rvr and you wont have to complain about how you dont and then go pve and the circle of doom continues

lukey smells :touch:

but ye if having lots of plats and several rr3 toaed charecters floats your boat, hf

 

[Zedenz]

I don't see anywhere in this thread where someone complained about lack of RvR groups?

People will play how they want and what they find fun. Personaly I have done pretty much you just said, Zedenk Zedenk Zedenk for ages, and now I want to mess around with a few other alts I have and ML them. I don't see the crime really.

 

[Nausilus^^]

Your RR4 Healer makes you Mister RvR does it?

Are you serious? (read below)


Haven't read all and can't be bothered to.. stop slinging mud at each other, that's just plain stupid and only signifies a very low level of maturity and intelligence.

Raid leaders, stop feeling sorry for yourselves if someone else wants to have a go at leading raids. Bluesky, you already occupy a very large part of the week with weekly raids, it's well-established and nearly everybody knows when and where they are, so there's really no need for you to worry about other raids. I think it's important that if people feel like trying to lead a raid, they should go for it, because good raidleaders are somewhat rare and often they don't lead raids for long because of the work that needs to be done in order to lead one.

So what if 2 raids clash together with each others, people will just have to chose which one to join, end of story.

Getting tired now, cba writing anymore... apart from my last words of wisdom:
Don't bitch, don't sling mud, just get over yourselves and do what feels right.