Racist forum - Link is NSFW

[Tom]

Only posted it to encourage debate, not flames

 

[Trem]

*puts Tom on a burning cross*

 

[Tom]

I'm disappointed the link was removed though. I can understand why people's distaste of that site (which I share) would influence that decision, but I feel its a controversial site that raises many issues, and this forum is often a good place to discuss such things without your average idiot letting it all descend into flames.

I like posting stuff like that. One of the strengths of this place is even after I posted my views on hunting (the Lion link I posted ages ago), and some people agreed, some disagreed (strongly), by the next thread, all is forgotten.

We're all intelligent people here (except Throddy*), so why shouldn't things like this be discussed, especially in today's climate of 'fear'?























*Throddy is super intelligent of course

 

[Catsby]

Cheese?

 

[leggy]

Am I going to agree with Tom? Dear god.

Anyway, I feel tom has a valid point in his last point. Tom wasn't advertising racism; he was merely giving us an awareness of it on the net.

Now removing the link is clearly a case of "ignorance is better than acceptance".

 

[old.Tohtori]

I find that racism, or in lesser extent, religionism and town-ism, is often shouted out and rarely noticed.

Meaning that everyone seems to be eager to shout out "racist!", but rarely take a look at their own opinions on some or other group of people.

To truly be a non-racist in all counts, one shouldn't pass judgement on any person for their way of life...even if that person happens to be a nazi.

Just my opinion.

 

[Will]

Imagine if someone had posted this thread in the DAoC forum. There would have been bannings within minutes, and the thread would have been probaly been pretty nasty.

I was 50:50 about it. I'm quite aware that having a link isn't the same as condoning the site, and that we aren't exactly unaware of how to find the site from the information still provided. On the other hand, what impression does it give people of this forum, and how is the link contributing to the thread positively, as opposed to negatively?

And dear God, won't somebody think of the children? TEH CHILDRENS!!!!

 

[Insane]

And dear God, won't somebody think of the children? TEH CHILDRENS!!!!

I was thinking of teh boobies? does that count?

dont start me on racism, where i live (and to some extents where I work) is plagued with a lower form of racism and we've had to live with it for years, only difference is that its a lot more "public" than these sites online, hell it wasn't until a few years ago that they stopped bombing each other

the fact that to make a difference you have to open peoples ears and eyes and let them see what damage its causing, not by shoving it into the deepest darkest corners and hoping to just pass it by.

for a simple example, last year there was a study done on children in primary 1/ primary 2, and it was discovered that at that early an age it had already been ingrained into their minds to hate the "other side" to such an extent it made the local councils sit up and listen.

Now, where's the boobies?

 

[Will]

Now, where's the boobies?

 

[throdgrain]

Me?



I'M A FACKING CANT !!!

 

[`mongoose]

I personally had to ban that site in the content filter for the college where I work....

Whilst I totally disagree with the politics on it - I'm not sure I should ban it just because I disagree with it, shouldn't I let any 'political' or 'belief' site through unless it contains pron (which terrifies most college managers for some reason, possibly in case their stash gets found) ?

I settled for banning it as it promotes hatred and tbh - there's plenty of that amongst some of the 16-18 yr olds that we get already without allowing a 'white power' site through too.

Ironically it's classed as crime but not terrorism or undesirable yet 90% of the other sites I've come accross with similar content only flowing in the opposite direction is in far stricter categories.

I've noticed a similar trend with some lifestyle sites around. If you want to trek hetrosexually through the world and enjoy the love you find it's travel, if you're gay and happen to do the same it's adult.

Some of these content filters are just arse tbh.

M

 

[Tom]

http://blackvoices.aol.com/

Replace black with white. It would never happen.

I understand that minority representation should be given a break, but really - aren't sites like this just adding fuel to the arguments of the people that post on the aforementioned forums?

And just in case you thought stupidity was only evident in 'white' people, check this link out http://www.wimp.com/hating/

 

[TdC]

Now removing the link is clearly a case of "ignorance is better than acceptance".

ahem. don't be a tit Leggington. reading the stormfront forums to learn about racism doesn't go down particularly well in tdc's book. I'm all for knowing about what you're dealing with but this particular case is a little ott don't you think?

 

[TdC]

http://blackvoices.aol.com/

Replace black with white. It would never happen.

yes. social stigma is nasty isn't it. too bad we aren't all angels.

 

[DaGaffer]

http://blackvoices.aol.com/

Replace black with white. It would never happen.

I understand that minority representation should be given a break, but really - aren't sites like this just adding fuel to the arguments of the people that post on the aforementioned forums?

And just in case you thought stupidity was only evident in 'white' people, check this link out http://www.wimp.com/hating/

I don't think anyone around here is under any illusions about the racism of 'non-white' races tbh. Unfortunately, we have to accept that historically, as a group (not as individuals), white 'Christian' societies have caused the most damage by their racist beliefs and policies, so we have to be extra careful about our behaviour. Its not particularly fair; I often feel that whites get routinely pilloried for the behaviour of people long dead and that 'we' had nothing to do with it, but its better than the ugly alternative of the likes of Stormfront.

Personally, the most racist group of people I've ever met are East Asians; racism is a natural as breathing in the Far East.

 

[Lazarus]

Personally, the most racist group of people I've ever met are East Asians; racism is a natural as breathing in the Far East.

Pakistani cultures are the same, although they show NO bias. They just hate everyone - even other pakistanis

 

[DaGaffer]

Pakistani cultures are the same, although they show NO bias. They just hate everyone - even other pakistanis

East Asians don't hate you, you're just a funny monkey foreigner/barbarian/not-quite human. Its not a personal thing, its sort of hard-wired into the languages and cultures. I'm sure its not all East Asian cultures, but its certainly true of Thais, Chinese, Vietnamese and Koreans. I'm pretty sure it used to be true of the Japanese (like the others its built in) but I think Japanese racism seems to be more focused on their neighbours than anyone else.

 

[Furr]

well eveybody hates everybody...

chinese hate the japanense, Greeks hate the turks, pakistanis hate the Indians, Indians hate the chinese... list goes on and on and on....

 

[throdgrain]

Me too, I hate everybody !!

 

[rynnor]

Am I going to agree with Tom? Dear god.

Anyway, I feel tom has a valid point in his last point. Tom wasn't advertising racism; he was merely giving us an awareness of it on the net.

Now removing the link is clearly a case of "ignorance is better than acceptance".

Yes, its an odd double standard that porn seems more acceptable than a site with offensive views. Surely we are adult enough to make our own minds up - its not as if its difficult to find - when my kids are older I would have no problem with them visiting that site to see the kind of crap thats there.

But equally I would show them how the various XXX power sites by various creeds/nationalities are also wrong.

You do not fight racism by taking even more notice of each others race and by setting up sites for a particular race stressing how its members are 'special' - racism will only die when nobody gives a fuck what race they or anyone else is.

I hate the influx of stupid ideas from the states that seem to be gaining acceptability over here - MOBO/Urban music awards (despite the uks urban population being predominantly white - unlike the states ;P) and others who think positive discrimination is the way forward - replacing one inequality with another is not a way forward.

Integration is the key - everyones kids should go to school together - it makes me sad to see schools supported by the state that cater to only one religion or racial group - its just storing up trouble for the future.

Why we should take any advice from the states when it has terrible racial divides and ghetto's is beyond me - look at the scandal of New Orleans to see what they have achieved...

Edit - darn spelling...

 

[Embattle]

I'm sure we covered there website in a previous life irc.

 

[Tom]

Pakistani cultures are the same, although they show NO bias. They just hate everyone - even other pakistanis

Hang on, thats not quite fair. My sister is married to a Pakistani, and has actually converted to Islam.

My parents love him like a son, and although due to family issues I haven't met him, I'm sure I'd like him as well.

 

[Furr]

Im just going to say it, I blame Labour, i don't know why, but he's a dick.. And Labours attempt at Social modeling has failed..... miserably...

Plus completly off topic i was thinking this through. The police want 90 days, thats 3 months of detention without trial, well thats reducing civili liberties of course.

But we wouldn't need to be doing this if we hadn't illegally invaded Iraq in the first place. Al *whatsit* didn't care about us, we hadn't done anything to antagonise them, but instead Tony dragged us along with the US into an invasion based on complete and utter lies and fabrications. So thanks to Tony and a much greater extend Bush of course, We now live in a world where the muslims have been even more radicalised, We have an Iraq that is much worse off than it was under Sadam Hussain, and to cap it all off Tony is continuing his "fixing of things that aren't broke" policy.

As far as I see the terrorists are winning. We live in a climate of fear, new terrorist breeding grounds have been created, we are slowly reducing our liberties and freedoms, state intrusion is increasing, and what have we got out of joining the Bush bandwagon?

Nothing, we can't even take spoils of war anymore, we've spent billions on an illegal war, and in Iraq anyway things are much worse off. I'd take a crackpot dictator over religious fundamentalists anyday...

Sigh*

 

[nath]

Is anyone here actually afraid of terrorism? I live in London and regularly use public transport and yet it's not something I ever think about. Anyone else?

 

[rynnor]

As far as I see the terrorists are winning. We live in a climate of fear, new terrorist breeding grounds have been created, we are slowly reducing our liberties and freedoms, state intrusion is increasing, and what have we got out of joining the Bush bandwagon?

I dont think this really has anything to do with terrorists - they merely presented a convenient and partially manufactured excuse -(everyone knows that al qaeda doesnt actually exist in the sense that the US use it - there is no big conspiracy - its just different groups of nutters) - there has been a gradual erosion of liberties for the last couple of decades and the state will always get more involved in peoples lives over time.

Eventually people will get sick of it and the pendulum will swing back - there certainly isnt a climate of fear (as someone who commutes daily on tube n train) outside of the media - normal people are sensible enough to calculate the odds of being killed by terrorists as much lower than the chance of being run over etc.

 

[Furr]

So what your saying is that goverments are using the rise of attacks as propoganda to push through laws and changes that reduce our freedoms. Firstly that pisses me off, the goverment pisses me off i mean. Also Why? I can't understand why the people we elect are trying to inflict repressive measures on the public.

Either its because they don't trust the the public to be left to so that they can live their lives how they want, and would rather that we all lived in a nanny orvill type police state, where everything we do is tracked and recorded and orchestrated.

or

<conspiracy theory>
There is some global organisation that is organising the removal of the civil liberties we have because they see it as though we've had it too good for too long
</theory>

And your probably right, the more and more the people feel that their lives are being intruded on the greater the public dissatisfaction will be, might just blow up in the goverments face's. Don't we live in a country we the most CCTV cameras per person in the world? They keep telling us what we can and cannot do, and banning things, things that just seem to pop out of nowhere.. like drinking on trains! wtf! where did that come from!!! And also legalised gambling, 24hour drinking WHERE DID THEY COME FROM FFS!!!!

Its like one day we are all minding our buisness, then Bam, goverement plans to ban people from listening to the radio in the car as its distracts drivers... and the problem is... I could imagine this goverement coming out with something that stupid...

 

[throdgrain]

Im just going to say it, I blame Labour, i don't know why, but he's a dick.. And Labours attempt at Social modeling has failed..... miserably...

LMAO, sorry, but what a post

You dont know why?? But you'll say it anyway, hehe nice one mate ! FWIW Im annoyed by many of the infringements of my liberties . But the 90 days one, Im not so sure. If the police need 90 days to complete thier case against terrorists why should anyone have a problem with that? You're not a terrorist, are you ? (Are you ?? ) If the system is open to abuse, IE using that terrorist charge to stop people for other things then thats a different matter of course.
Im not afraid of terrorism much in my daily life either.You cant be, or you wouldnt go out. That doesnt mean that you wont get bombed now though does it?
It does worry me though when Iran makes statements like "Israel should be wiped off the planet", especially when you know they have a nuclear program. This isnt like Saddams mystery weapons of destruction, this is for real.

 

[TdC]

Is anyone here actually afraid of terrorism? I live in London and regularly use public transport and yet it's not something I ever think about. Anyone else?

I'm with Throddy on this on. You can't be afraid. If so you must also fear getting hit by a bus, a plane falling from the sky to hit just lucky you or teh great unknown jumping out from around a corner and killing you just for being there.
there's a bit of a difference between not being afraid and having a healthy respect for danger though.

 

[Will]

Apparently I'm a terrorist. So was the old guy at the Labour conference. Anyone who disagrees with our great leaders is a terrorist in the eyes of these laws.

 

[Ch3tan]

(everyone knows that al qaeda doesnt actually exist in the sense that the US use it - there is no big conspiracy - its just different groups of nutters)

Well thats a huge assumption.

What did this thread suddenly turn into to?