Racism

[rynnor]

The person that went on after me wass talking about possible issues that could prevent effective communication, when someone brought up female islamic head dresses. This lead the speaker into maybe 10 minutes of racist jokes, such as wondering if such head dresses are helpful in arranged marriges as you can't see what your marrying ect.

Although I can't name the speaker in question, he is exteremly highly placed in social services and has considerable influence over policies effecting ethnic groups, the disabled and young offenders.

Lol - what a bizarre situation - reminds me of the Senior Manager for one of the banks who got kicked out recently (Barclays maybe?) after making a faux pas in a speech about the company results.

He Said 'The results are much like Muslims - some are good and some are Shi'ite' - for that he is gone...

 

[Dukat]

He Said 'The results are much like Muslims - some are good and some are Shi'ite' - for that he is gone...

Fucking lol

 

[old.user4556]

What do you call a Muslim flying a plane?





























A pilot, you racist

 

[Dukat]

Something a friend sent to me just now, suprisingly relevant and imo spot on in alot of, if not all of its points. I know things arent this "black and white"(pun?) in reality, but tbh they're not far off.

Michael Richard's better known as Kramer from tv's Seinfeld, does make a good

point.
This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy

act. He makes some very interesting points.



Proud To Be White

Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this?

There are African Americans, Mexican Americans,
Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans.

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,'
'Whitey,' 'Caveman' ... and that's OK.

But when I call you, N###er, Kike, Towel head,
Sand-n###er, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink ...
You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,
so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah.
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month , we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
OUR lives we'd be racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber
of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?


A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American
pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.


If we had a college fund that only gave white students
scholarships you know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges
in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges' THAT
would be a racist college.


In the Million Man March, you believed that you were
marching for your race and rights. If we marched for
our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and
you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce
our white pride, you call us racists.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a
white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats
up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a
threat to society, you call him a racist.

I am proud.
But you call me a racist.

Why is it that only whites can be racists?

There is nothing improper about this e-mail.
Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on.

 

[old.user4556]

White people will be sucking it up for a long time.

 

[rynnor]

White people will be sucking it up for a long time.

Maybe , maybe not - about a generation I think - it began a while back so we are probably nearing the end of the guilt phase.

Tbh its not healthy - you cant normalise relations between the races when guilt's in the mix - maybe the kids will work out a better way

Theres plenty off oddness - years after white only things were finally shut its odd to see black only stuff rebuilding the walls - maybe neither side truly wants integration?

 

[mank!]

i think you'll find it wasn't said by michael richards, or at least according to the ever accurate snopes

to be honest, i think minor threat summed it up very succinctly with their song 'guilty of being white':

"I'm sorry
For something I didn't do
Lynched somebody
But I don't know who
You blame me for slavery
A hundred years before I was born

Guilty of being white

I'm a convict
Of a racist crime
I've only served
19 years of my time

Guilty of being white"

 

[Dukat]

i think you'll find it wasn't said by michael richards, or at least according to the ever accurate snopes

to be honest, i think minor threat summed it up very succinctly with their song 'guilty of being white':

"I'm sorry
For something I didn't do
Lynched somebody
But I don't know who
You blame me for slavery
A hundred years before I was born

Guilty of being white

I'm a convict
Of a racist crime
I've only served
19 years of my time

Guilty of being white"

Whoever said it isnt really the point, it could've been hitler or santa claus and it wouldnt really affect the point I'm trying to make, I just quoted the article for the content.

The lyrics in that song sound about right though.

 

[nath]

Boy howdy, I agree. Us white folk sure have it tough!

 

[DaGaffer]

Boy howdy, I agree. Us white folk sure have it tough!

Sarky bugger. And unfortunately, there are plenty of "white folk" who do have it tough. Positive discrimination is usually encouraged by white, middle-class liberals ("the self-loathing classes") without much consideration for the effect it can have on working-class whites, and that's what ends up driving those people into the arms of tossers like the BNP. Positive discrimination may have its place, but the danger, like in most human activities is that something introduced to fix a problem becomes a "right" and the minute people start feeling entitled, you're in trouble.

 

[throdgrain]

Yeah but is it because I is black?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Boy howdy, I agree. Us white folk sure have it tough!

The thing is, neither do the black, hispanic, asian or any others, anymore that is.

Sure, there are racist people around, but there's generally no genocide/slavery going about.

 

[Will]

Something a friend sent to me just now, suprisingly relevant and imo spot on in alot of, if not all of its points. I know things arent this "black and white"(pun?) in reality, but tbh they're not far off.

Michael Richards is pretty racist tbh.

On November 17, 2006, during a performance at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood, California, a cell phone video captured Richards shouting "Shut up" to a heckler in the audience, followed by "He's a ******!" to the rest of the audience (using the word 6 times altogether), and also making a reference to lynching.

It all sounds a bit like a BNP leaflet tbh.

 

[Himse]

Michael Richards is pretty racist tbh.



It all sounds a bit like a BNP leaflet tbh.

To be honest it isnt just white people who are racist.

For example in certain parts of Jamacia you are shot for being white.

In certain parts of Africa the white people got thrown off their land / tortured for owning land there.

 

[Will]

Your point, caller?

 

[Dukat]

Michael Richards is pretty racist tbh.

It all sounds a bit like a BNP leaflet tbh.

Do either of these things falsify what is in the article though?

I was pleasantly suprised to see an interesting and relevant point while watching Southpark the other night - bear with me! - if A kicks B and they're both the same colour, its called assault, but if A kicks B and they're not the same colour, its racially agrivated assault, a 'hate' crime. I dont see how one is more serious than the other. They're both bad. They should both me punished to the same degree.

Another example: My uncle is bald, he gets called "baldy" "bald twat" etc quite alot at work, and it pisses him off. Yet no one is arresting the people calling him bald.

If the person calling my uncle "baldy" & "bald twat" was black, and my uncle responded by calling him a "blacky" and a "black twat", he would probably in this day and age lose his job. Is this fair? Is that equality?

Does saying this make me racist?

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I did a job the other night, I won't say where or what but it was a sporting venue, a white guy vs a black guy. Actually it was a bloke vs another bloke, but I have to mention their colours because of the attitude of some of the audience.

I've never heard people be so unafraid to call someone a "fucking black bastard" - and other things. This went on through the entire event, and the management did nothing about it. Theres a lot of shouting so its possible that the venue didn't notice it - but I doubt it.

Now I was working so I couldn't get involved, I merely removed myself from their vicinity, but even now I can't stop thinking about it and wondering how the subjects of such abuse can deal with it.

Don't ask me what sport it was or where it was because I won't say (it involves work and strictly speaking its none of my business).

I'm only posting this to hear other people's opinions and experiences on the matter, because even 24 hours after the event I'm still really pissed off by it. I genuinely hope they have an epiphany, or that the rest of their miserable lives are SHIT.

By the way, the black guy won, which shut them up.

If he had been called a stupid bastard or an ugly bastard this thread wouldn't exist. Fact is he was actually black and quite possibly a bastard. Jeez you lot have turned into a bunch of fucking lesbian veggy eating tree huggers.

 

[Will]

If the person calling my uncle "baldy" & "bald twat" was black, and my uncle responded by calling him a "blacky" and a "black twat", he would probably in this day and age lose his job. Is this fair? Is that equality?

People can be *****. Just because they are ***** to you doesn't make it right to be a **** back to them.

 

[TdC]

it's Yuck!


*dance*

 

[Dukat]

People can be *****. Just because they are ***** to you doesn't make it right to be a **** back to them.

Are you missing the point deliberately ?

A is bald
B is black

Both are phsycial characteristics neither can help.

B calls A a bald twat at work
probable result: no action taken against B

A calls B a black twat at work
probable result: A loses job

Its not about being nasty back, or even that people are nasty in the first place, its about inequality of consequences of seemingly indentical wrongs.

 

[Rubric]

Are you missing the point deliberately ?

A is bald
B is black

Both are phsycial characteristics neither can help.

B calls A a bald twat at work
probable result: no action taken against B

A calls B a black twat at work
probable result: A loses job

Its not about being nasty back, or even that people are nasty in the first place, its about inequality of consequences of seemingly indentical wrongs.

The common denominator is Twat thought isn't it.

Baldy is a term of endearment. They just probably don't realise it upsets him.

I would ask the question, is your uncle being a twat? If so then he should stop being a twat and move on. If he's not being a twat then he should knock them the fuck out.

 

[Will]

I'm not missing the point deliberately. If baldy twat is being used to be offensive, thats harrassment in the workplace. The fact that management allows this, while cracking down on what they regard as racist comments with an iron fist, is a problem with management.

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make, which is probably why my answers seem a bit obtuse. Are you suggestion that you should be allowed to call someone a black bastard, are you suggesting people should be locked up for being offensive to the folically challenged, or are you saying your uncles coworkers are fuckwits?

 

[Dukat]

The common denominator is Twat thought isn't it.

Baldy is a term of endearment. They just probably don't realise it upsets him.

I would ask the question, is your uncle being a twat? If so then he should stop being a twat and move on. If he's not being a twat then he should knock them the fuck out.

Its not a big thing rubric, my uncle gets a bit pissed off occassionally but I was simplifying it to make the example. I suppose its not as upsetting for him as I am making out - he doesnt like it but he doesnt burst into tears over it or anything either. His situation isnt really relevant, I was just using the example of if one of the people insulting him was black, he should, in an ideal and equal world, beable to insult someone else's physical characteristic in exactly the same way without facing a vastly differing punishment.

If my uncle was the black guy, and he was getting pissed off about being called a "black twat" at work would you still ask the question is my uncle being a twat?

 

[Dukat]

Are you suggestion that you should be allowed to call someone a black bastard, are you suggesting people should be locked up for being offensive to the folically challenged, or are you saying your uncles coworkers are fuckwits?

I'm not suggesting any of those things, although possibly the latter is true.

The point is that calling someone a black bastard is not, technically, much different from calling someone a bald bastard, ginger bastard, bearded bastard, fat bastard, short bastard, tall bastard or purple with red spots bastard.

Yes it might have something to do with the management, but are you really telling me that you think the punishments for calling someone a 'fat bastard' or 'bald bastard' would be the same as for calling someone a 'black bastard'?

Shouting "you fat bastard" in jest, to a friend, across a crowded area would not really make people stop too much. Shouting "you black bastard" in the same circumstances, even if the person you're shouting it to is a close friend and doesnt mind, would probably have consequences.

I'm tryng to highlight the fact that society has this ingrianed fear of "omg racism", and that the law itself seems to be unequal as a result of this. I dont know if its right or wrong, I just think that "equal rights" arent as equal as they should be.

 

[Rubric]

Its not a big thing rubric, my uncle gets a bit pissed off occassionally but I was simplifying it to make the example. I suppose its not as upsetting for him as I am making out - he doesnt like it but he doesnt burst into tears over it or anything either. His situation isnt really relevant, I was just using the example of if one of the people insulting him was black, he should, in an ideal and equal world, beable to insult someone else's physical characteristic in exactly the same way without facing a vastly differing punishment.

If my uncle was the black guy, and he was getting pissed off about being called a "black twat" at work would you still ask the question is my uncle being a twat?

If he was black and being a twat he would be a black twat and he couldn't argue with it.

Personally i would rather not be a twat at all.

 

[Mabs]

I was pleasantly suprised to see an interesting and relevant point while watching Southpark the other night - bear with me! - if A kicks B and they're both the same colour, its called assault, but if A kicks B and they're not the same colour, its racially agrivated assault, a 'hate' crime. I dont see how one is more serious than the other. They're both bad. They should both me punished to the same degree.

if person B is being a tard and gets kicked because of it, its assault

if person B gets kicked BECAUSE he is black, THATS a hate crime. its a techincal difference

 

[Rubric]

Shouting "you fat bastard" in jest, to a friend, across a crowded area would not really make people stop too much. Shouting "you black bastard" in the same circumstances, even if the person you're shouting it to is a close friend and doesnt mind, would probably have consequences.

I would like to think not if the person in question did not make a complaint.

 

[Mabs]

I would like to think not if the person in question did not make a complaint.

sadly doesnt work like that, to be offensive it has to cause offence, regardless of the target.
if you stand in the street and yell "you black bastard" at someone, i could report you for inciting racial hatred .."he made me think he was a bad person cos hes black"... then your proper fucked

 

[Will]

It shouldn't be about what you say, it should be about the effect it has, and the intent behind it.

Unfortunately, people prefer to pigeon hole things, it makes it easier to deal with, and you don't need to think as much.

 

[rynnor]

if person B is being a tard and gets kicked because of it, its assault

if person B gets kicked BECAUSE he is black, THATS a hate crime. its a techincal difference

It also carries a much greater penalty and thanks to government targets if you suggest an attack was racially or homo-phobically motivated you'll get the police at your door in 5 seconds flat - they want to have these cases to meet their targets.

I think theres a point here tbh - basically our legislation creates a specially protected status for certain races so it in itself perpetuates differences on racial lines and where you have groups being treated differently you'll get resentment and conflict - its self-perpetuating.