Racial profiling bad...ok...but!

[old.Tohtori]

What about prisons?

Should we actually locker them(all people according to race/religion) up in different places?

If i understand correctly, most fights in prisons and most violence in general, is due to groups and mostly these are ethnic/religious groups.

Would racial/religious profiling be of use in prisons? Or do you think it would have negative effects?

I don't think there would be a "space" problem atleast, as they would take the same amount of jailspace as they do now.

 

[Poon]

Complicates matters even further and makes it more expensive then it is at the moment, in all a bad idea.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Complicates matters even further and makes it more expensive then it is at the moment, in all a bad idea.

Some reasoning as to why it would complicate would be nice, also, considering if it would lower violence in prisons, and the medical(etc) costs associated with such violence, how would the costs be greater?

 

[Fafnir]

Nah should just build a big mofo island in the middle of the atlantic throw in all criminals from all over the world and have them fend for themselves.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Nah should just build a big mofo island in the middle of the atlantic throw in all criminals from all over the world and have them fend for themselves.

Do we really need another supplier of kangaroos, cork-hats and beer?

 

[Fafnir]

Well beer is always good but dont worry will take another few hundred years before we come to that.

 

[pikeh]

If i understand correctly, most fights in prisons and most violence in general, is due to groups and mostly these are ethnic/religious groups.

what source did you use for this evidence?
i dont know what the biggest cause of voilence is in prison, but just wondering how you found this out.

 

[Mey]

The only reason punishment of criminals is so expensive at the moment is because the general public are thick as shit, and the only way they think someone can get punished is if we lock them away.

I love the way the Media always fails to publish stories when we have been particularly tough on a criminal or when the judge has said something at the end of sentencing which basicly means that its a life sentence but the media only reports that he said the criminal could be on parole in so many years. Or the over-reprensetation of Crown court cases when they only make up 2-3% of all court cases heard in the UK (the majority being held in magistrate courts).

Prisions are not easy, they are horrible places. Anyone that has been in one will tell you exactly the same thing, and if they don't, they are lieing. The reason why we have activities for the prisions to do is so that they have a reason to behave. Take that away and they think fuck it, i'm going to be stuck in my cell near on 24/7 anyway why should I not K.O the next guard to come along.

On to the point then, no I don't think we should have seperate prisions for seperate groups of people. (save men/women). I think that won't do anything to help they rehabilitation into normal society.

 

[old.Tohtori]

what source did you use for this evidence?
i dont know what the biggest cause of voilence is in prison, but just wondering how you found this out.

I said "if i understand correctly", atleast heard it somewhere sometime, can look up if i'm wrong ofcourse, but at work so couldn't do THAT much study into it.

 

[Rookiescot]

This was used in Ulster. Prisoners were segregated based on whether they were Unionist or Republican.
Although it solved a lot of the violence issues between prisoners it also created a situation where the prisoners effectivly ran the prisons and the guards simply stopped them from getting out.

 

[old.Tohtori]

This was used in Ulster. Prisoners were segregated based on whether they were Unionist or Republican.
Although it solved a lot of the violence issues between prisoners it also created a situation where the prisoners effectivly ran the prisons and the guards simply stopped them from getting out.

Have to look into this later in the evening when i get home, sounds like just what i was thinking about. Thanks.

 

[Cerb]

Nah should just build a big mofo island in the middle of the atlantic throw in all criminals from all over the world and have them fend for themselves.

Then we can throw in Kurt russel and make a great movie!

 

[Laddey]

Nah should just build a big mofo island in the middle of the atlantic throw in all criminals from all over the world and have them fend for themselves.

Sounds like Sonar!

 

[Fafnir]

Well the criminal made his choice when he commited the crime so he should pay the price for it. And dont come here and talk about but he had such a bad childhood, his parents beat him up, he was bullied etc etc etc. In the end it YOUR choice if you want to commit a crime or not. Well unless you got a gun against your head and are forced, but 99% make their own choice cause its often the easy way out.

 

[soze]

They already do it in american Prisons the sleeping quaters ect are all racialy split only place they can meet is the yard. If they were in seperate prisons i think they would find something else to moan about and generally do alot of harm to people who end up in gangs in prison.

Blacks Whites Hispanics and Others

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well the criminal made his choice when he commited the crime so he should pay the price for it. And dont come here and talk about but he had such a bad childhood, his parents beat him up, he was bullied etc etc etc. In the end it YOUR choice if you want to commit a crime or not. Well unless you got a gun against your head and are forced, but 99% make their own choice cause its often the easy way out.

I don't think anyone is saying "do the crime, don't pay the fine", but have to say, that according to a statistic(which i won't dig up now), there's approximately 10.000 innocent people sent to jail in the US every year.

Ofcourse that's also off-the-topic, but, just saying to your 99% thing that it's not always THAT clear cut.

 

[Calaen]

Black people kill black people, white people kill white people. Give them something to do in prison that is productive instead of only letting them out for an hour and then throwing them all into one yard.

 

[Fafnir]

Black people kill black people, white people kill white people. Give them something to do in prison that is productive instead of only letting them out for an hour and then throwing them all into one yard.

Bah they have two hands and a shaft, cant they figure out what to do.

 

[Binky the Bomb]

*Ahem*

A scumbag is a scumbag reguardless or race, colour, religion, creed, sex or sexuality.

Seperate the sexes, and take out those deemed insane (place em in the nuthouses), but keep them all together, no specialist prisions for minortities of any of the touhy feely crap.

Personally, i'd bung them in individual cages, and cram them all togther in racks like they have in certain libraries, and batter them with white noise and sensory deprevation at random intervals. Course, thats just general population. For the hardcore, i'd get REALY draconian.

 

[Chronictank]

Black people kill black people, white people kill white people. Give them something to do in prison that is productive instead of only letting them out for an hour and then throwing them all into one yard.

bring back manual labour

I dont think it will stop anything tbh, they will just find something else to fight over (if the majority are fighting over race at all)
If they are kept active i can garuntee fights will decrease as they will be too tierd from working all day

 

[leviathane]

End of the day it comes down to mankind's dumbness to accept something that is different to them.

 

[Roalith]

Ok, I know it's the Daily Mail, but...

Briton jailed for four years in Dubai after customs find cannabis weighing less than a grain of sugar under his shoe | the Daily Mail

The Briton in question coincidentally being a Rastafarian flying from Ethiopeia, where coincidentally the Rastafarian Mecca of Shashamene is...

 

[haarewin]

bring back manual labour

I dont think it will stop anything tbh, they will just find something else to fight over (if the majority are fighting over race at all)
If they are kept active i can garuntee fights will decrease as they will be too tierd from working all day

i dont understand why we dont use prisoners as slave labour. someone needs to devise something for them to make and we can sell it. will work out cheaper than running an east asian sweat shop im sure.
imagine a nike sponsored prison where they make the shoes, rather than some child labour sweatshop in china.... i quite like the idea

 

[Mey]

*Ahem*

A scumbag is a scumbag reguardless or race, colour, religion, creed, sex or sexuality.

Seperate the sexes, and take out those deemed insane (place em in the nuthouses), but keep them all together, no specialist prisions for minortities of any of the touhy feely crap.

Personally, i'd bung them in individual cages, and cram them all togther in racks like they have in certain libraries, and batter them with white noise and sensory deprevation at random intervals. Course, thats just general population. For the hardcore, i'd get REALY draconian.

I guess you read the mirror or the sun then?

 

[Golena]

Like most things i've always believed that gangs in places like prisons are race divided simply because it's a easy visual way of dividing people up.

If you seperate them based on race all that will happen is you have a gang of people from Manchester and a gang of people from Liverpool. Ok it won't be that simple but new gangs will form based on some other criteria. The people in there arn't looking to not be violent and they have found a nice easy way of segregating themselves into seperate teams. The teams will still exist, just the criteria for picking who goes in which will change.

 

[Vasconcelos]

bring back manual labour

I dont think it will stop anything tbh, they will just find something else to fight over (if the majority are fighting over race at all)
If they are kept active i can garuntee fights will decrease as they will be too tierd from working all day

Call me arcaic but i strongly agree with this. Imo, remaining iddle at jail could be an adding problem to violence.
From my pov, if not manaul work, they should force ppl to study while theyr doing time, or prepare for qualified job in order to make his contribution to the society when they were out ..

 

[Binky the Bomb]

I guess you read the mirror or the sun then?

Nope, don't read papers... my brand of justice is one cultivated from the time of the inquistion.

 

[Fafnir]

Call me arcaic but i strongly agree with this. Imo, remaining iddle at jail could be an adding problem to violence.
From my pov, if not manaul work, they should force ppl to study while theyr doing time, or prepare for qualified job in order to make his contribution to the society when they were out ..

Well thoose prisons in the U.S that have where the convicts have lowest relapse is thoose prisons that let the prisoners become deepsea divers, rodeoriders etc etc. Some of the best deepsea divers today that work on oilrigs etc are old hard timers.

 

[Mey]

There was also a prision in the UK that had a residuary rate of 4% (approx.) Guess what, rather than make it a model prision the other prisions got annoyed because it made them look bad so did as much as they could to damn it, almost to the point of it getting closed.

(will try to find the name at some point)

 

[WiZe^]

Nah should just build a big mofo island in the middle of the atlantic throw in all criminals from all over the world and have them fend for themselves.

They did that already; australia =P