Quick Question about Parry

[Marwolaeth]

As the subject sugests I have a quick question about parry skill.

Does anyone know the max % you can take parry to? Is it 30% (as if specced to 50) or can it be taken over this %?

An example: At the moment I have 25 specced in Parry, +12 from items/RR...thats erm, 24% parry I think.
I Also have Master of Parry lvl 3 which adds 3% per lvl to my parry chance. Now does that mean I now have 33% chance to parry or is it capped at 30% and so wasting 6 realm points?


Cheers in advance if anyone can answer this query for me

 

[Arnor]

cant believe its capped at 30% if it is capped at all

But since the chance to parry is halved if you use a style, and halved again if your opponent uses a style, AND halved AGAIN if you're dualwielding, I think MoP is a waste of rsp's


correct me if im wrong, but I seem to recollect that it worked that way

 

[Arlone]

parry is not capped at 30% afaik. you could take it to 50-60% if you wanted too (same goes for shield of course .. and at present even evade).

 

[Arlone]

Originally posted by Arnor2
cant believe its capped at 30% if it is capped at all

But since the chance to parry is halved if you use a style, and halved again if your opponent uses a style, AND halved AGAIN if you're dualwielding, I think MoP is a waste of rsp's


correct me if im wrong, but I seem to recollect that it worked that way

shield is halved by dualwieldeing, not parry. Parry is halved by 2-handers (if I'm not totally mistaken here)

Parry is however devided by the number of attackers you got hitting you. Got 3 attackers hitting you your parry will be devided by 3. Shield (if using large shield) will have the same chance to block for all 3 opponents.

Never heard about this 'using style'-thingie, and I doubt it works like that. When using a style with 'high bonus to defence' you will have a MUCH greater chance to parry next blow .. and vise versa.

 

[Arnor]

pretty sure that chance of parry is halved when dualwielding, and boosted by x2 when using 2h. there was something really stupid like that that made me remember it

 

[old.Aragone]

hmm

S/S and all 1-h users get 1x the cance to parry duelwielders and 2-h users get 2x chance to parry.

when using styles on opponents it modifyes your parry with the + and - from the style to deffence so a style with medium bonus to defence should increas your parry dont know bye how much thoug.

(not totaly sure on this part) but when other players use styles on you your parry should then be modyfied bye their style so if it has a high to hit bonus your chance to parry is decresed. (not sure if they put in other things that might make you parry les when a opponent uses a style.

and like block rate and evade, parry dosnt have a cap.

this is what i have picked up over time and it sounds right to me


but wouldent it be nice if GoA actualy made part of their site tell us excatly how it all works

but like they ever will


i know i dont spell that well but hope you understand me

 

[Skrad]

Originally posted by Arlone


shield is halved by dualwieldeing, not parry. Parry is halved by 2-handers (if I'm not totally mistaken here)

Uhmm, if you're dual wielding, then you won't be using a shield (unless you've got 3 arms) so shield would be negated, not halved

 

[Thorarin]

Shield of halved if your opponent is dual-wielding, doh! ;-)

 

[Skrad]

Originally posted by Thorarin
Shield of halved if your opponent is dual-wielding, doh! ;-)

oh yeah, silly me!

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Arnor2
pretty sure that chance of parry is halved when dualwielding, and boosted by x2 when using 2h. there was something really stupid like that that made me remember it

nope, chance to block a dualwielder is halved
chance to parry a two hander is halved

whether you style or not doesn't affect your parrying (unless you use a defensive bonus/penalty style)

Whether they use a style affects it is debatable (the effects of to-hit on parry/block are untested as of yet..)

parry/block are not capped... evade will be by 1.56 (at 50% base chance - i.e. if yer a buffed assassin, don't bother with dodger.)

 

[Tyka]

Re: hmm

Originally posted by old.Aragone
S/S and all 1-h users get 1x the cance to parry duelwielders and 2-h users get 2x chance to parry.

Your chance to parry does not affect wich kind of weapon you use, they just rasied chance for parrying if u are using a 2h wpn in 1.47, thats it.

and like block rate and evade, parry dosnt have a cap.

this is what i have picked up over time and it sounds right to me

There is no cap on any of those skills, they put a cap on evading in patch 1.54, for assassins.

i know i dont spell that well but hope you understand me

Think i understand you but what u are saying is not true.

 

[Tyka]

Wow just read through this thread again and half of it is bs.

Here are some facts:

You got same parry chance as any other class that can spec in parry, even tho you are using a big ass 2h wpn. (5% base + 0.5% per life + moparry).

Chance to block starts with 10%, that is if you just equip your shield.

If someone with 2h is hitting you, it counts for each swing, nothing is halved as fingoniel says, you still got same chance to parry/evade/block etc.

Just because you have lets say 43% chance ot parry it does not mean u parry 43% of the swings on you, probably a lot less.

 

[Novamir]

a point in parry is a point wasted ^^

 

[old.Glendower]

parry is nice

Parry will be much better in the next patch.

In PVE it works very well.

 

[Marwolaeth]

Must admit in PvE I like parry. Slap bubble on and I can solo orange con mobs without my health dropping below 75%...slow process but pretty safe. I also seemed to parry or bubble vs Alpha quite often...well long enough for Snow and afew others to come to my rescue and gank the Biatch


Cheers for the info everyone. Think I will spend my last few specc points in parry after all then

 

[Solid]

rofl

So much misinformation here its chronic.

using a 1H/Shield or 2H makes NO difference to your chance to parry.

1.47 raised 2H Parry to be EQUAL to 1H (as before this it was seen to be only half as effective)

When FACING a dual wielder the fact they WIELD 2 WEAPONS means YOUR parry chance is HALVED.
Essentially fighting against a dual wielder is like fighting against 2 single weapon users at the same time in that the basic parry rule applies:

Parry chance is divided by the number of attackers (in this case WEAPONS) attacking you.

YOUR OWN Styles do NOT effect your chance to parry UNLESS they have a Bonus/Penaty to defence in their use.

OPPONENTS Styles only effect your chance to parry if they have a tohit BONUS (as is the case for most RvR prevalent styles, hence why parrying is not as common at the moment)

As for parry cap:

5% base +25% from 50 spec + 3% per level from Mastery of Parrying (can go all the way up to lev 5 if u really wanan throw points away) = 45% Chance to parry calculatable cap.

HOWEVER : Dex is factored into the equation - an equation NOONE knows. More dex = increased chance to parry so its definately HIGHER that 45% cap, but noone can test calculate it.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Solid


So much misinformation here its chronic.

When FACING a dual wielder the fact they WIELD 2 WEAPONS means YOUR parry chance is HALVED.
Essentially fighting against a dual wielder is like fighting against 2 single weapon users at the same time in that the basic parry rule applies:

Dual wield halves _blocking_ it doesn't affect parry.
If a two hander is attacking you, your parry is halved.

OPPONENTS Styles only effect your chance to parry if they have a tohit BONUS (as is the case for most RvR prevalent styles, hence why parrying is not as common at the moment)

Actually that's just conjecture... no-one's done any tests on that.
The reason parrying is buggered in RvR at the moment is that it thinks there are person+group attacking you for every person...

i.e. person 1 attacks you at MMG, the 7 other people in his group are at AMG, the game thinks 8 people are attacking you and divides your chance to parry appropriately.

This bug is fixed in 1.53 (next patch herre)

Base parry is modified by dexterity to give you a 'parry skill' this is compared against your opponents weapon skill - so you'll parry lower level people and un-skilled weapon users a lot easier than a pure tank with max spec in their weapon.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Solid

1.47 raised 2H Parry to be EQUAL to 1H (as before this it was seen to be only half as effective)

Why would I not be surprised if someone had the

attacker 2h -> halve defenders parry

the wrong way around?

defender 2h -> halve defenders parry

and they fixed it in 1.47?

 

[Solid]

Make up ur mind Fing

 

[<Wels>]

Originally posted by Fingoniel

attacker 2h -> halve defenders parry

I would go with this one and
dual wielding attacker -> halve defenders blocking

 

[Skrad]

Parry
shield
2-handed
blocking
random words
dexterity
goldfish!

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by &lt;Wels&gt;

attacker 2h -> halve defenders parry

yeah that's how it works and how it's meant to be...

I was just imagining someone having the wrong variable somewhere making it the other way around

 

[Bedroc the Hero]

Ok lot of talk here. Think Ill add my tidbit of misinformation just the same

Im specced 45 in parry. I have +10 parry in items. When I got MoP 1, I did notice it. ( which is more than you can say for other RA abilities. ) I do parry more with MoP and I really like it. ( But thats just me. Im a defensive coward )

Same with MoB, Before respec I had shield 49 + 11 Items + MoB 2. OHH that rocked!! I could fight 3 blue mobs and they would never touch me. rocots in DF went down really fast.

Have lowered shield now.. I got a big stick complex and trained my spear some.

To sum it up. MoB and MoP dont get capped at the max training skill, and yes, you do notice it ( at least in PvE. I have parried in RvR but admittedly a lot less. Better in 1.52 though )

 

[Garnet]

I got 30 parry in my friar so what chance does she have at parrying?

 

[old.LandShark]

30/2 = 15%
Plus the base chance to parry that you get just for having the ability, which i think is 5%? :>
Modified upwards hugely by dex/dex+qui buff.

 

[Marwolaeth]

Hmm, damn Skrad your right....Curses! I always forget about the Goldfish

 

[old.Kladen]

do dualweilders parry more than single hand/2handed weapons.

coz it would make sense if they did.

 

[Novamir]

i guess it all depends on how you play ur chars...

for me im either:

- slam, then spearing offensively and parry wouldn't help
- guarding for arrows on mage and using 1h dmg/slams

parry is such a waste of points because its so specialised and comes in to use quite rarely in my fg vs fg rvr experience. its even less useful in zergs where you either die within 4 secs to 10 mages or need spear out to get big single hits.