Question?/Rant

[Staffzor]

Just came to thidranki on hib/excal. Usually play alb/pryd.

Playing in a 2xVW and 1xBard team, the question is does everybody zerg all the time? and by zerging I mean like 2fg+, playing at the time I am writing this and so far I am yet to see any people running around in a fg or less. Even stealthers are running as like 4+ :< not jsut pointing out other realms either, every time we run as a 3 getting spammed to join a cg, or "stick together and kill the albs". Where is the fun in zerg killing smaller zerg?

Stlong ranting ^^

Still prefer it to playing alb/pryd where i used to think that albs zerged that (until i came to excal :O) at least there is enemy to kill.


Summary of above ><
1)Does everybody zerg all the time?
2)Where is the fun in zerg killing smaller zerg?

Regards

Whinger (show me the QQ or "roleplay pryd" which I liked tbh )

 

[Sanzor]

I am afraid that most people zerg in the bgs :-/
Not much to do about, unless i can start to learn them something :-P

Mainly, i just can´t stand to grp with people in bgs, unless im playing a healing char. Besides that, im not afraid to run out solo as caster or as a pure melee char. Atm i have a sb running around SOLO (yes...it is alot more funnier, even thou you can get zerged) in bg1, and a lvl 34 skald (working on 35 :-P) in bg3. Same with a Thane.

The grping part is somewhat ok, but i normally disband if a grp starts to follow another grp. I prefer 1 fg roaming then.

So..the summary.
1) Some people like to zerg, since its either to gain rps quicklier and by this cap to get on with lvls. Or due to they feel they are safe. Main i hate it.

2) Imo its not fun at all to zerg...just looks like 1 big havoc state, which makes no sense :-P
So i try to avoid it and go on myself. Wish everyone was like that ^^

 

[Tootz]

I think BG is more about zerg warfare tbh. Its small, and the very idea of a Central Keep which everyone tries to attack/defend means everyone is naturally going to get together there. Plus the fact that if you haven't got speed or stealth, then you've got no chance soloing because you'll just get picked off by the plethora of stealthers there.

 

[Tallen]

Open your eyes.

I assume you were the unguilded trio in thid tonight.

There was a group of hibs roaming in thid tonight that was usually 7 players max and another that was never over 4 players...these groups (when i was in thid tonight) were not running together and we saw your trio several times.

I saw a group of 3 mids roaming, a group of 5 albs and another fg mids roaming on their own (that i can recall, plus many solo stealthers and duo's).

Being unused to playing a realm with inferior numbers I can understand why you are opposed to running along with others from your realm, simple fact is that Hibernia/Excali rarely gets enough players to make 2fg's in thid, so when enough players do venture out they like to join up with other hibs so they dont get zerged (simply safety in numbers, no-one likes getting zerged over and over, thats no fun).

A CG is standard in thid, unlike prydwen you can get a lot of players in there at once and a cg saves yelling, broadcasting and pm's...also helps (for hibs especially who are always severely outnumbered) to co-ordinate and keep tabs on the movements of the enemy zergs and to allow stealthers to play a spy role if they wish and report locations of stealth zergs.

Thid does get zergy mainly because there are certain "choke-points" where enemy realms regularly clash, and very limited space to roam means fg's tend to gravitate towards these areas (this happens on Prydwen also, although not as often).

 

[Auriel]

I had a few nice solo fights and group fights alike last night. Think of the alb zerg as a 'challenge' I tend to die to the alb pet zerg of elementals, golems and goblins rather than actual albs half the time. Mids are way more entertaining to fight, lots of melee

That bard + 2 vw team was really kicking ass last night, never seen that setup before

- Rhaeith

 

[Xplo]

Infils don't mean to zerg, there are just to many of them.
And the alb noob zerg stays together or they will die too mutch then.

 

[Staffzor]

I Think of the alb zerg as a 'challenge'

We did enjoy playing, and I did think of it as a challenge, but at like 10pm maybe it got to the point where there were not anywhere near enough enemy for the albs, and they still were hanging together as like (3fg maybs? :O) and when zero albs get killed and they kill way inferior numbers it gets kidna repetative, still had more than I do usually on alb/pryd bgs purely cos we were mostly outnumbered, and at least constant supply of things to figh(and usually die to :/)

And as for stealthers Oo Infs didn't really zerg us totally, was mostly scouts interupting and 4-6 sbs attacking bard at same time ><

Regards,
Balistar

 

[Lothandar]

You prolly missed the 2fg hibs camping at mb last night with shrooms. We went near them with healer+thane+skald+skald. Wasn't a good idea

Well not near as we know shrooms can hit for 70-100 and there's like 10 of them but we got keeled anyway :<

 

[Naugi]

Playing in a 2xVW and 1xBard team

Saw you guys several times, dressed in green and black yes?

Nice job you were doing, really impressed with the deathspam you three were generating.

I did shoot Balistar dead with my Hunter tho (ok someone else had poked him quite a lot first).

Oh and stop killing my Shadowblade.

 

[Bunnytwo]

Just came to thidranki on hib/excal. Usually play alb/pryd.

Playing in a 2xVW and 1xBard team, the question is does everybody zerg all the time? and by zerging I mean like 2fg+, playing at the time I am writing this and so far I am yet to see any people running around in a fg or less.

Bit of a cheek really, as if you want peeps to fight on a level playing field with regards to numbers, then you should prob have lost the buffbot. (Not saying that Mid/Hibs would then have gone out in smaller numbers)

I know many people use them these days, but many still don't and why should you expect them to be cannon fodder for you.

P.S MB is a bit of a choke point so if you want to run into 1fg or less then prob not the best place to be running at anyways.

 

[Bunnytwo]

Mid/Hibs

Mids/Albs even.

 

[Staffzor]

I know many people use them these days, but many still don't and why should you expect them to be cannon fodder for you.

Don't expect anything off anyone it is a game that all play as they wish, I was just cusrious as to where the fun is in 2/3fgs albs charging down 3 classes in thidranki . Rarely did we even go to mb. Also not asking for a level paying field in any way shape or form, just be nice to see maybe jsut 1fg running around as opposed to 2/3fgs stuck together Oo unless ofc a keep attempt/defence

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

Don't expect anything off anyone it is a game that all play as they wish, I was just cusrious as to where the fun is in 2/3fgs albs charging down 3 classes in thidranki . Rarely did we even go to mb. Also not asking for a level paying field in any way shape or form, just be nice to see maybe jsut 1fg running around as opposed to 2/3fgs stuck together Oo unless ofc a keep attempt/defence

i usualy nail the keeps trying to get to the ck during seuig .. and pop up to the keep when they go to thelord ..
you'd be surprised just how many rps u can farmz0r doing this

 

[Bunnytwo]

I was just cusrious as to where the fun is in 2/3fgs albs charging down 3 classes in thidranki .

Bit like I sometimes wonder wheres the fun in using a buffbot to be able to carve through those who don't use one, hardly takes skill..... There no fun in getting slaughtered over and over again, so if I keep getting ganked by someone who is using a BB/has all the best equipment/or is just better than me I'd be a bit stupid if I didn't find ways of levelling the playing field and numbers is usually the best way of doing this.

There are only so many places in Thid that fights tend to take place i.e the PKs and the roads from them to the CK. Not really much point in groups going anywhere else as they aren't of any significance apart from when enroute to flank someone. Thus you tend to get groups congregating even if not intentionally.

Personally prefer large fights as tend to last rather longer than mez, nuke, rest. Also quite often rather more tactics and skill involved than in 1v1fg actions.

 

[Staffzor]

Bit like wheres the fun in using a buffbot to be able to carve through those who don't use one..... There no fun in getting slaughtered over and over again, so if I keep getting ganked by someone who is using a BB I'd be a bit stupid if I didn't find ways of levelling the playing field and numbers is usually the best way of doing this.

Ok so that is a reason for going in huge numbers, I can understand the reason tho it must not be very fun, 3fg albs all hiting one person but to each their own. This talk on buffbot issues is futile it will never be altered, yes we use a buffbot but there are 3 of us and I would guesstimate that 1in3 people have 2 accounts and therefore use a buffbot. Yes it would be better all around if no one used a buffbot but then we would ahve base bard buffs anyway which I am guessing would result in a zerg because you have no friar/cleric buffs available so need larger numbers ><.

 

[Bunnytwo]

This talk on buffbot issues is futile it will never be altered . .

By the same token isn't the zerg issue a bit futile?

 

[Staffzor]

By the same token isn't the zerg question a bit futile?

Depends on the enjoyment of the player on both counts, to me running as 3 people and killing 12 (with a buffbot so ok maybe 4 people) is more fun than running as 20 people and killing 3, but as I said to each their own it is how the individual likes to play, I guess my question is answered.

 

[Bunnytwo]

Depends on the enjoyment of the player on both counts, to me running as 3 people and killing 12 (with a buffbot so ok maybe 4 people) is more fun than running as 20 people and killing 3, but as I said to each their own it is how the individual likes to play, I guess my question is answered.

True but then is there that much difference from 3 stealthers killing a lone SB/NS they come across (unless of course 2 of you stood back and let them duel each other) K the odds might be different but the end result will be the same. . . and enjoyable . . .

"That is true, but still if I was a stealther in thidranki and didnt have access to a bot, or even a healer in thidranki then I would forsure group up with someone as otherwise youe are fresh meat to any botted person.

Anyway I have been having fun being a lame stealthzerger in thid lately, soon abck to 2cabba and sorc combo tho if i can ever get around to lvling :< "

"Lately I been really stlong stealth zerging as 2 infs and a minstrel,"

P.S. <Very Very Bored (at work)>

 

[Staffzor]

Some very random quotes from past posts I have made?

Good job, don't quite understand the relevance of them although I am glad you take such an interest in my previous posts .


Found a random post jsut now \o/
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=14809

No offecne meant in any of these posts just shows a difference in fun and playstyle I think

 

[Bunnytwo]

Some very random quotes from past posts I have made?

Good job, don't quite understand the relevance of them although I am glad you take such an interest in my previous posts .

Ah well as I said work and all that. . .

Relevance is that from my reading of those previous posts you firstly state that it is reasonable to use numbers to balance out a BB, I would agree with that and go as far as to say that it is reasonable to use numbers to balance out the innate power of a realm's classes, in this case Hib groups tending to be rather more powerful than all but the most opted Alb groups and quite often able to take out much larger numbers of Albs. Although you may have been running as a group of 3, most hib groups tend to be rather more than that.

Also I was pointing out that you seem to be saying that you rather enjoyed the ol' stealth zerg. While personally I don't think there is anything wrong with stealthers grouping up, I have heard it argued against in much the same terms of lack of skill and satisfaction (though don't remember you mentioning skills, but others have) as you used for the zerg that killed your group (usually by the players who are buffed to the hilt and want to be uber), as any soloer you happened to catch would probably have rather less chance than your group had (as you could bug out with the bard).

From playing an Alb on Pryd I have a lot of sympathy for Albs in Thid as historically has tended to be a case of wait around for ages to get the "perfect" group, go out in numbers or just don't RvR.

P.S No offence ment or taken here either (any ranty elements are against the gits who first started using BBs as opposed to those who use them now, particularly with regards to stealth). Yep freely admit do prefer big fights, as I prefer to see the larger scale tactics (usually by the Mids) as opposed to individual skills. Also think its part of any balance there is in the game as quite often all Albs have going for them is sheer weight of numbers.

 

[Staffzor]

Yea in them previous posts I didnt literally mean I stealth zerg, just called zergfiltrators etc cost most do seem to go as a unit, yea we did group a few times as we are friends irl. In thid on pryd we tend to not kill solos from either realm that we run into as a 3. However since being in bgs excal and never acctualy seeing a solo (apart from a reaver when I was solo as well) we havent really had a need for that rule. :S

Ah well it is all about having fun, and as i said before I am having much more fun getting zerged every so often and killing than running around alb/pryd bg with little/nothing to kill. It is to be logical that if we are able to fight more people then we will die more often, getting to cost a fair bit now tho as all my cash is on alb/pryd :E (sneaky trade bump )

 

[Bunnytwo]

(sneaky trade bump )

Ah wish could help but I've only got a huge 65g on Excal

 

[Blackjack]

excal is more zerged due to the higher numbers of players.
But the big zerg is more or less avoidable with alittle luck.

/Rant inc
What makes it hard is the (and tbh i haven't seen any hibs doing this) lame part of the stealthers, they either travel in groups or, as i have found recently, just emote and PM random groups of your possition then they may or may not join in when they are sure you wont win. At first is thought it was just coinsidence that a stealther did a couple of lame emotes at me and 10 secs later a group would apear out of nowhere. But i am now sure what is happening illustrated nicely but an episode today:
Running solo in the woods and near the bank between mpk-MB. I pan with the camera and see a SB following me, i think; fine ok, give it a try SB.
but the second i slow down to wait for him he stealths up (ofc) emotes me and nothing happens, i wait.. wait a little more.. nothing. i run to the cover of the bank and see a group of mids just inside clip range. there is no way they could see me since i was down the bank and they continue happily out of cliprange. then BAM 5 secs later they come storming back and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to turn around.. the fighting was at apk and it would have been the strangest route ever to take to pick up a member at mpk. This has happened several times so it's not the first time and it wont be the last. You might say it's fair enough he is just given away an enemy possition... well yeah but if he is so strong to emote and to chicken to try a 1on1 fight he should leave it be.
Dunno if infils do this to solo mids or what but it's pretty lame.
You say you run in a 2 BM 1 Bard group.. and thats fine by me. just remember that killing a soloers makes you no better than a 1-1½ fg's killing you. And if you decide to duo or whatever again remember no one well recognize your skill for killing a soloer. But if you should get spanked by the soloer many will have a laugh at your expence .
I feel like im pretty much saying the same things whenever i post about zerg's vs soloer and fixed groups etc. But its all part of my message, im doing my part preaching for a lamer free Thid
/Rant off

 

[Staffzor]

I had a similar thing happen yesterday, I was solo (buffed) VW and was running around, went toward apk and seen a mid attacked and killed it, then killed a hunter that joined in, was low end and half health. Ran away from the area toward goblins thinking lifetap health back and all of a sudden a sb comes outa stealth and chases me, with no end i /faced and put insta snare in which was resisted :< had no way of out running so stayed to fight (expecting to lose) as soon as the sb hit me i had 2 more SB's, and a BD plus 2 or 3 more mids chasing me from nowhere as if in a chat group. This was like mid day so surprised me it was that busy :S. Was fair enough, i killed some so I get killed, but annoying that I die then get /slap /laughed at by a few of the 6+ mids that "zerged" me

And yea more zergy cos of more people on excal, jsut a shame that the zerg doesnt split up a bit

 

[Chronictank]

m8 i played mid/excal and alb/pry fact is excal is alot more rvr active in thid from what i have seen than pry. Also as stated before excal always a cg, roleplayers usually love it as they can act as spies (and get rez when they die), aswell as being able to avoid the "zerg".
But back to the subject at hand, more people in a small place means inevitable masses in certian location, my advice to you if you want to solo do a circle round the ruins and there often stealthers to the sides of atk, if you see a zerg stay stealthed out the way 80% time they will be too bust charging towards the enemy.

i personally love zergs in thid, there is no feeling in this game like eating 3fg with your 1fg , problems however arise when at lvl 50 and the high rr,ml,artid chars run with a zerg completely unbalancing the situation

just my 2 cents

 

[living]

Bah thats a lie, u killed my hunter leeched and my m8 Leecher and we had no other mids around us.. that only makes 2 not 4..