qcstun+nuke+nuke

[Amadon]

apparently that's enough to kill a buffed infiltrator? can anyone shed light as to how a hib caster can do this?

 

[StormriderX]

If the infiltrator is unstealthed then shouldnt be too hard for the caster. But stealthers are rarely solo and probably have 2-3 'mate's hanging around. Also try nuke nuke nuke (less than 20% health) qc stun (prevent ip usage) more nuking

 

[Amadon]

I really just want to know how any hib caster can 2-shot a buffed rogue class within melee range. I'm not interested in 4-shotting I know how to kite etc.. but it seems the uber qc stun should allow me to 2-shot buffed infils?

 

[Salazar]

Couple of nice crits maybe?

 

[sorusi]

think they can if the infs havnt capped resists and you crit, but if its ordinary nukes and not pbaoe i dont think so

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Amadon
I really just want to know how any hib caster can 2-shot a buffed rogue class within melee range. I'm not interested in 4-shotting I know how to kite etc.. but it seems the uber qc stun should allow me to 2-shot buffed infils?

Maybe qcstun+nuke+nuke+1/2nuke.
Anyways im sure lots of albs rogues n non-rogues have tasted once the 600-800 damage of some chanter´s pbaoe. So yes, 2-2,5-3 nukes is more than enuff for almost all of us rogues.

 

[Amadon]

k thx, so how do I get 600-800 dmg on my pbaoe? and how do I avoid being interrupted? time the qc stun to land at the end of the round of combat?

 

[Pin]

Fully buffed I currently have 1739 hits (and I'm Saracen with no points in con at creation :doh: - could have had 20 more con than I do). My resists do suck a bit though, with heat = 21, energy = 10 (unbuffed), cold = 26. It'll take some pretty heavy crits to 2-shot through that.


Anyways, finishing off my SC suit, so those resists will all be capped in a week

 

[shilak]

At a guess it was probably 2 crit-shots of PBAOE as you were in melee range. You can hit almost 750 at the center of PBAOE if the opponent has poor resists, so with a couple of reasonable crits and an opponent with low resists it would be possible.

 

[old.LandShark]

I don't think Amadon will be happy until someone says this:

Casters are gimped weaklings who need major love and atm can't kill so much as a grey with no armor on!

Right, seriously again...
No, there's no way to 2shot a buffed inf, because your damage cap isn't in excess of 700 and you don't hit your cap on yellows.
You know all that already, Amadon; what is the purpose of this post?
If you want people to stop exaggerating, just say so...

 

[Amadon]

naah I am happy

I'm pretty certain that I can't 2-shot most people unless I get lucky, and tbh I did so not so long ago with pbaoe on an infil who missed his PA and then ran away from me for some reason, and then turned round to run towards me again (indecision rules), but that wasn't using qc stun. I got lucky and managed to time the stun to stop him just before he got to me so he was in pb range without me having to run to him and he hadn't interrupted me.
I would genuinely like to know how to get a qcstun + 2x pbaoe working on a char in melee range. The qc stun holds for about 5 seconds in practise, and the first 2 seconds of that I find are usually wasted because of interrupts + lag, leaving 3 seconds, in which case I get 1 off, and get interrupted in the middle of the 2nd.

For the amount of complaining about qcstun I figured there must be something behind it and wanted to find out if I was doing something wrong, and it seems the only thing really is to time it to coincide with the end of your oponents swing, which I guess will come with experience.

As for casters being gimped, that's a different issue Landshark, they were overpowered at the start and so they were nerfed to balance things out and the balance has swung the other way. In time they will get loving again (1.59 hopefully), or I'll find something better to keep me occupied

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by Amadon
they were overpowered at the start and so they were nerfed to balance things out and the balance has swung the other way. In time they will get loving again (1.59 hopefully), or I'll find something better to keep me occupied

Mate, your trainer... was eldritch spelled R A N G E R by any chance?
Sorry, casters were never overpowered imho. They were indeed damage machines, but they were also one-shot fodder for assassins and pre-nerf archers. The problem is you guys were made too survivable by PBT, stacking PBT, your own self-BT...
All they've done is increase the survivability of everyone else really. And sorry... you are not 'nerfed', you are not gimped, you are roughly balanced. And I still think 9sec baseline nuke (lvl46 spell as well, resisted less than my 40 SPEC stun) is disgusting. You can cast it while a dual-wielder is hitting you? Buggered if i can cast my mezz in combat

 

[old.Xanthian]

2 shot buffed Infs ? Easy
Qc Mezz, run a bit , Stun, -75con debuff, pbaoe pbaoe..
Pbaoe does aprox 700-850dmg each time, add crits etc.

Ofc it never happens in emain, a solo infil is as rare as rocking horse shit.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Amadon
k thx, so how do I get 600-800 dmg on my pbaoe? and how do I avoid being interrupted? time the qc stun to land at the end of the round of combat?

Dunno, ask Aliorm, she hit me this afternoon for 643+652. I got 1202 hps unbuffed so yes, she killed me with 2 shoots.
Also, i remember Nuclear hitting for 895.

 

[ab_fluid]

Fuck pbaoe roll a light chanter then QC stun, and gank with a cpl of 700 nukes after a nie fat debuff, also i like light chanters cos they can't pbaoe the other mids so its helpful for mid in the end :>. also also i never been 2hit by a mage EVER but that don'tmean they r underpowered, especially if ur a hib mage, i think mythic kidna designed it to be asassin > mage > tank > assasin but they kinda mucked it up a bit :x

 

[ab_fluid]

Oh, or get some rp's and buyMoC will solve ur problems without needing any luck/skill

 

[Arnor]

No, there's no way to 2shot a buffed inf, because your damage cap isn't in excess of 700 and you don't hit your cap on yellows.

kidding right?


I've 2shot buffed infils with my zerker. (pre-armour resist changes, low rr infs and rear-style+followup, and 99%crits)

And if 710 mainhand dmg WASNT the cap for Kamuka, im scared...very scared


If they have crap resists, you can cap on them

 

[belth]

Damn Arnor, you need to lose some weight and change colors! That trolls ugly, so ugly that you made me qc a dot on you!

 

[old.LandShark]

I'm sure your 20dmg/tick terrified him

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Most of the time an infil in epic armor without resist buffs will have little or none in magic resists so your stun will probably last long enough to nuke him dead without any problems. And even if you cant two-shot a buffed infil because he has over 1400 hp most of the time, try to remember that lil casting pet you 'chanters tend to have that nuke for between 100 and 250 depending on resists etc... I know I used to get pbaoed for around 700 in epic armor quite often. I hope those times are over now that SC is in. Though 'chanters are one of the few classes that can debuff their own damage so time will tell i guess..

 

[old.Leel]

Light mentalist can do it, their nukes hit for 600-700 without crits on crappy heat resist. One nice crit and bad resist=dead infil.

 

[vulcan1]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
Fuck pbaoe roll a light chanter then QC stun, and gank with a cpl of 700 nukes after a nie fat debuff, also i like light chanters cos they can't pbaoe the other mids so its helpful for mid in the end :>.

Wrong, we can PB, if specced full light and mana to lvl 26, it gives a light chanter a reasonable PB with MoC (hits around 350-400 approx) add MoM 4 and WP 3 a light chanter can do it in 2 with DD

Light specced ments do the same DD as a chanter, they just do it in a faster casting time

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Amadon

I would genuinely like to know how to get a qcstun + 2x pbaoe working on a char in melee range. The qc stun holds for about 5 seconds in practise, and the first 2 seconds of that I find are usually wasted because of interrupts + lag, leaving 3 seconds, in which case I get 1 off, and get interrupted in the middle of the 2nd.

Answer, don't be a mana sheep.
Go light, qc MEZ, back off a bit (no stun bug) stun, then dd to death with the light dd (which thanks to bein cold which was already capped by most peeps last patch will not get any worse with SC unlike mana's energy damage combined with slow castin dd). U got a dead infi. Unless they get lucky with outright resists (i.e the times u hit for nothin).

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz
And even if you cant two-shot a buffed infil because he has over 1400 hp most of the time, try to remember that lil casting pet you 'chanters tend to have that nuke for between 100 and 250 depending on resists etc... I know I used to get pbaoed for around 700 in epic armor quite often. I hope those times are over now that SC is in. Though 'chanters are one of the few classes that can debuff their own damage so time will tell i guess..

Not every mage in hib is a chanter u know, like amadon who posted this thread a lot of us are elds and also some are ments. Ok so a lot of people took mana as it was "the spec to go" a lot of people went chanters too bcos it was "the class to go" doesn't mean that everyone in hib is a mana chanter, ok thx. Some of us have brains of our own and either thought ahead to upcomin resists nerfages (i.e cold resist not gettin any worse so light dd will be just as good as b4 whereas pbaoe & that snare dd are gettin indirect nerfs) or picked a different class/spec bcos they would enjoy playin that way more. Cookie cutter does not equal best.

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by vulcan1


Wrong, we can PB, if specced full light and mana to lvl 26, it gives a light chanter a reasonable PB with MoC (hits around 350-400 approx) add MoM 4 and WP 3 a light chanter can do it in 2 with DD

Light specced ments do the same DD as a chanter, they just do it in a faster casting time

sorry think u miss my point, light chanter gets that nice heat debuff in light line, never said u can't go 26 mana just saying a light chanter with debuff hits for some big damage

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by belth
Damn Arnor, you need to lose some weight and change colors! That trolls ugly, so ugly that you made me qc a dot on you!

Hmm... I detect a disturbance in the Force.... Djinni?

 

[Molten Lava]

Pure damage casters

Pure damage dealing casters are still overpowered. Other casters need loving

Ohh cry I need the giant amount of 3 nukes/pbaoe's most of the time to kill someone (including tanks).....boohoo I need loving

 

[belth]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
I'm sure your 20dmg/tick terrified him

70

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Belomar
Hmm... I detect a disturbance in the Force.... Djinni?

:uhoh:

And Lessurl, yes, 90% of the hibbie mages you see nowadays are indeed chanters with those underhill faggots.

 

[Kobold]

With mom2, my damage cap is 666 on my light ment (getting mom3 asap, and then cap around 700), and yesterday I hitted a lvl 50 hunter for 570+230(crit)=800damage with my 2sec light DD....so I guess I could have qc stun + 2 hit kill a infil easy with a little bit of luck (unless uber resists ofc)

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Lessurl
Not every mage in hib is a chanter u know, like amadon who posted this thread a lot of us are elds and also some are ments.

he's lying, we are all enchanters...some of us have spears instead of staves, others carry shields...some even carry instruments, but we are all enchanters.