Q2 DM Server - Weapstay on or off?

[Dimebag]

Quite important this.

After playing on the bw dm server for a long time now, I feel that some games tend to degrade into blaster wars between 90% of the players and sometimes the odd lucky person with a gun is able to mop up as everyone else waits for respawns.

What do people think about putting weapon stay on ?
I mean it IS a deathmatch server after all and we need the most carnage possible eh. I think it would add a fun element to the games as individuals wouldnt be able to control maps and everyone would have a fair chance of causing some damage.

However, it seems split, some people really are against the idea of weapstay while others think it is a good idea (myself being one). If you've ever played on their with 15+ people running round with just blasters you'll know what i mean.

Anyway, I want your feed back.
I'm not sure if you can do proper setup votes on this thing so just put what you think in a message and in a weeks time I will make a decision.

Thanks very much.

Dimebag

 

[Nighty-]

On! Please!

 

[throdgrain]

look im nearly finished with q2.at the end of this season of savage thats it.but for what its worth...
you still get some top players on bw,not as many now because of a certain other server ,but still.i cannot imagine many good players want to play wepstay,cos it isnt in the battle rules.i may be wrong ,but i should think doing that would just empty the server even faster than changing the ip adresses and ignoring the still popular game,allowing other gaming isp's to take over.
when i say empty,i mean empty of good players anyway.
but whatever...

 

[Dimebag]

I know weapstay for something like duel is utterly pointless, as you need to be able to control the map. In DM however when one person is able to control the map with 20 people playing and the other 19 have to run around with blasters it gets a bit tedious. What would probably be better is 2 servers one with ws on and another without, but that is not the case so I've got to reach a happy medium :|

I would like to see it on, as you know it means as soon as you pop up you are able to make an impact and dont have to run around all game a blaster as 1 or 2 people who "got the guns first" completely obliterate all competition. When weapstay is on all hell breaks loose, in a good way you see what I mean? It totally evens things out and gives the less skilled people out there a chance to have a bit of fun and not feel put out because they dont have a chance. - Then again we do not want it turning into a bfg war on some maps do we, and theres no way im turning that off.

I'm not gonna change anything yet of course, still need lots more feedback on this ;p

Dime

 

[throdgrain]

its not who gets the weapon first m8,its who keeps the weapon
that is fundamental to q2 imo.maybe other ppl think different i dunno.ive played on the clara weapstay servers and its a laugh for 15 minutes or so,but its not what i'd call skill personally im afraid.
the game on some maps is changed completley.most maps seem to see much much more camping.

 

[old.MadC-]

Dimebag, why do u think Claranet is always full? Weapon stay on ofcourse

 

[old.MadC-]

Btw, weaponstay off isn't fair for newbies

 

[throdgrain]

wepstay on is FOR newbies

 

[Dimebag]

reply

Prior to reading this thread, I decided to go and check out other q2 dm servers, mainly cause I wanted a game and bw one was empty but still.

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Dimebag, why do u think Claranet is always full? Weapon stay on ofcourse
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Hes got a very good point. The claranet server is always bubbling with people, and yes it has weapstay on, and yes I had a thoroughly good time. I was on the bw dm server the other day, and I saw a few newbies come on, and basically the poor bastards got frustrated because they could not get a gun, kept getting slayed down withing 10 seconds of spawning (or less) and promptly quit. We were down to 2 people in about 10 minutes.

I am seriously considering putting weapstay on permanently now. I put it on manually the other night knowing it would reset at 6am and no one seemed to complain. Infact when I asked the people on there they were quite happy for me to do so. I think I've just made my own mind up.

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wepstay on is FOR newbies
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Yeah maybe true, but who wants the dm server to turn in to a duel server when the newbies piss off and play somewhere else.
I'm certainly not a newbie and I like the idea of being able to spawn and knowing i'm going to get a good weapon in a few seconds time and am able to get right back into the swing of things. Weapstay = lots more carnage, and chances for not so good players.

Also I heard camping mentioned, but once you've picked up the weapon you can't pick it up again without being killed. I know this means people may camp to stop others getting the gun, but there are so many more guns available on the map to take them out with, and also, most importantly, they only have a certain ammount of ammo.


Dimebag

 

[throdgrain]

i didnt really mean they were camping the weapons.that would be more in the battleground mod line
what i meant was wepstay changes the whole game.for example,on tokays towers theres always one camper in the water by the rocket launcher,cos as the rocket launcher is always there ,there is always ppl going to jump into the water to get it.on the frag pipe the is always some dickhead with a rail sitting next to the machinegun spawn railing ppl as they spawn opposite.dont know why ,there just always is.
like i said im prolly heading for rtcw in a bit but all the same,thats my tenners worth

 

[old.MadC-]

Don't worry thord you'll return quickly
Camping is a part of the game.
He camper will kill you maybe 3 or 4 times in a row but you will get him the fifth time. Weaponstay on is more chaos/action and its much harder to keep a position because there are everywhere weapons.

 

[throdgrain]

that you cow?

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

No No NO.....


Wep stay must allways remain off on the dm server.

Tbh back when i was learning my trade, staying alive was the most important thing to learn, it wasn't about what gun, aim ect.

Presence of mind is the key, when not and when too.

Towards the end of my barrysworld q2dm server days, i could often do the 50 without deing, when i got it all together, no matter who was on the server, or in 'some' cases what map, obvious exception being dm 3 as routes, and on the fly things pretty much go out of the window if you fail to make even 1 rail shot, and somebodys a shade of purple chassing you

I then moved over to minos, and it was all hell broke loose. No longer did i care about dieing, and lose my routes, armour, and weps, it was just die and start over stuff, hopefully respawning near the quad, or whatever good dropping wep.

What im trying to say is, it takes 'far' more skill to play non wep stay, instead of just grabbing a rail gun/rocket and droping several people in the space of 10 secs than dieng and kicking it up again, it takes much more to stop, wait, pick your moment, build a postion of strengh, then act in a manner which will keep you alive and clear the server map after map.

At the end of my q2 playing every night days, i had both methods of play masterd, but without the former i would be 'nothing' of a player today, that latter taught me how to fight dirty and pick up the speed only, it had little finess.

I learned it 'all' by learning to stay alive first.

Wep stay must remain off.

 

[throdgrain]

or in other words.... wepstay changes q2 into q3.
'nuff said

 

[xenon2000]

Originally posted by throdgrain
or in other words.... wepstay changes q2 into q3.
'nuff said

Nope, you still have the problem of Q2 being good and Q3 being ass...

*wind blows...*

Uhm, anyway for tournaments, duels, serious matches; off.
For fun drop-in style FFA's where the results mean nothing; on.

I do prefer them turned on, though. Action over tactics anyday.

 

[mankatron2001]

Just come off the BWDM server and had a couple of brilliant games with weapstay on.

I was never a fan of weapstay off servers, I always felt the whole point of FFA was to get a weapon, kill, die, respawn, get a weapon, kill, die, etc. But when Minos died, so did the decent FFA servers, Claranet's fraglimit is too low (30 induces spam and maps don't last long enough) and the PL is unbearable. Jolt and up until tonight BW didn't have weapstay on, and neither seem to be particularly popular.

However, after just playing a couple of maps on there, it seriously felt like Minos, with the newbies spamming pills, mouthy idiots hurling cheat accusations around like nothing else, the craziness of respawning and hurtling your way towards the nearest railgun or rocket launcher and hitting the fraglimit and feeling chuffed. The only thing missing tonight were any clanned players! Throughout the three maps I played, I was the only player wearing a tag and I only saw one player I recognized (if Salem was the WW^Salem).

Provided you keep the weapstay on, and I can be arsed to keep playing dm, I'll be on there much more often... nice to see a decent FFA server is back in existence!

[PK]-mank!

 

[old.Reverend Flatus]

Off or on? Tricky question this. Both have their merits (a bit like trying to choose between crunchy and smooth peanut butter) and lead to different types of game. Off is definitely the more skilled game but, and this is a big BUT, as was mentioned earlier, newish players will rapidly get disheartened and disconnect. So, on balance, I'd say weaponstay on to encourage new players and folks who want to drop in for a quick bit of mayhem.

 

[Dimebag]

As one satisfied customer has just found out, its now on. If loads of you complain I supposed I'd consider taking it off, but until then its on and its staying on. Its good fun, lots of carnage

Anyway, take a look at the thread about xania.

Cheers,

Dime

 

[old.[MOD]Psycho]

Can't believe both barrys and jolt change over to weapon stay.

Now where the fuck are us weapon stay off fans meant to play? There might be fewer of us, but at least we're dedicated.

Often on either barrys or jolt, there were 6 of us (always the same people) play there for like about 3 hours a day non stop. Server may be empty at times, but hell, we had a great time. The dedicated few. It was usually a warm and welcoming atmosphere, great for chatting at times and bitching at others.

Weapon stay on is for newbie twats who like to spam non stop and cry cos they can't get a gun. In my opinion it's harder to get a gun in weapon stay than weapon stay off as all the spawn pads are getting shot at non stop.

Change it back fs. I want a weapon stay off server cos atm I got no-where to play and it sux shit.

If u lot want weapon stay go to clara or jolt and leave barrys as weapon stay off, we like our weapon stay off ta

 

[throdgrain]

i agree m8 , tho you wont convert anyone here.
its a numbers game innit? you see how busy jolt has become since it went wepstay?no doubt we at bw hope for the same result eventually.
wepstay is ok for ten minutes then its just boring.

oh btw darkhour still has wepstay off.

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by [MOD]Psycho
Can't believe both barrys and jolt change over to weapon stay.

Now where the fuck are us weapon stay off fans meant to play? There might be fewer of us, but at least we're dedicated.

Often on either barrys or jolt, there were 6 of us (always the same people) play there for like about 3 hours a day non stop. Server may be empty at times, but hell, we had a great time. The dedicated few. It was usually a warm and welcoming atmosphere, great for chatting at times and bitching at others.

Weapon stay on is for newbie twats who like to spam non stop and cry cos they can't get a gun. In my opinion it's harder to get a gun in weapon stay than weapon stay off as all the spawn pads are getting shot at non stop.

Change it back fs. I want a weapon stay off server cos atm I got no-where to play and it sux shit.

If u lot want weapon stay go to clara or jolt and leave barrys as weapon stay off, we like our weapon stay off ta

Two words spring to mind. "Tough" and "shit".

 

[Manic Miner]

yerh, as throdgrain says it's all about numbers.

the non weapstay server at jolt had a total over 26,000 minutes of gametime played on it over it's last two weeks of life. the new weapstay on server already has over 35,000 minutes of gameplay on it since it was started on the 23rd dec (i.e. under two weeks). i've rarely seen it empty during normal peak hours, whereas the old one was often empty.

btw, i also found the alchemy server had good pings and still had weapon stay off but as with most of the non weapon stay servers, it's sadly quite empty most of the time.

regards,
manic miner

 

[Manic Miner]

o i should add that my decision to change from weap stay off to on was taken totally independantly of this thread. i actually saw this thread after i had made the change.

sorry weap stay off fans, the numbers talk for themselves i'm afraid i used to be a weapstay off fan, but now i'm playing on a fast busy weap stay on server i find i have much more 'fun', which is what i want out of my games these days

regards,
manic miner

 

[Mr B]

Weapon stay on is for newbie twats

I see the QuakeWorlder's spirit of encouraging new people into the scene is just as strong as it ever has been.



That's the same flavour shat trotted out by that fucking wanker who made one of the first bots for Q3 because "it was too commercial" and wanted it kept as a minority "sport".

People should learn to think of someone else other than themselves for once :/

B

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Just play on DH.

Iv'e been there the last few weeks, still a great thing going on there, after all these years

 

[old.[MOD]Psycho]

ip of darkhour anyone?

Numbers game sux shit tbh, weapon stay also sux shit, as do you bodhi, fuck off.

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

quake2.global.net.uk

Default port for DH

27915 for nossy, team server.

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by [MOD]Psycho
ip of darkhour anyone?

Numbers game sux shit tbh, weapon stay also sux shit, as do you bodhi, fuck off.

No. Cunt.

 

[old.MadC-]

Psycho its you that suck
Weaponstay on is much harder than weapon stay off (obviously). You can't get a weapon cause ya suck and get annoyed =)
Just admit it, you like to own newbies

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Wep stay on requires more skill?

Wtf you on

Losing your gear every 10 secs, and starting over is not skill.

Most of the winning part comes from where you spawn, and pure what postion you find yourself in with the correct weapon.

If your on a server with equal players, thats exactly how it plays out.

Wep stay off, equals no second chances if you fuck up, and if you get one it's just luck. Not like it is on a stay server, where you 2nd. 3rd, 4th chance comes along everytime you spawn up