Public TG-raid Tuesday 11/11

[Iri]

Time again for a happy TG-raid!!!

I will start the raid 30 mins earlier this time, hoping u UK-guys still have time to make it, i will also try to avoid timeloss with drops going to afk-ppl, chaos with nominations etc by letting the grpleaders help me out some so this time the birds will go down aswell as the rest of the mobs

We will kill all named that our numbers allow and of course everything else that moves for a chance of getting more items.

Meeting place is Hagall and the cg will be open 18.30 CET and we will head to TG 19.00 CET.

I want all that plan to attend this raid to read these rules carefully, and if u join the raid i will take it as that u have read them and will obey them.

Raidrules:

Listen to raidleader and do as she tells u at all times.

All exept grpleader must do /auto s and grpleaders will hand me the drops as soon as they are picked up (and if fighting all mobs are dead ofc ; ) If grpleader have to go afk pls tell me so before u do it.

If a grpleader invites ppl below lvl 45 to his/hers grp that grpleader will get -20 in the lotto.

If a raider dont listen to raidleader, run ahead of raid and pulls mobs etc that raider will be warned, if he/she repeats that behaviour he/she will be given -20 in the lotto.

If someone leaves the raid he cannot enter the lotto, nor can anyone else lotto for him/her. If LD when dead or wallbug (pls do not jump around at the walls!) send raidleader a pm and we try sort it out, i am not evil, i just wanna avoid massive loss of ppl as we need them for the hard mobs and chaos/cheating at the lotto.

Lottorules:

lvl 45+ characters can join the raid but cannot join the 2 first rounds of the lotto.

lvl 48+ characters can join all rounds of the lotto.

Lotto will take place outside Hagall. Make sure u are binded there so u dont risk to miss it.

SEERS/SUPPORTCLASSES may choose to nominate an alt instead of the char they are playing on the raid. If u choose to do so u cannot vote for the char u playing on raid in the first round of the lotto. U also have to nominate ur alt when i inform u to do so, if u do not u cannot change ur mind and nominate an alt later.

U can only vote for an item u can use urself. Also u can vote for an item u can use but has 1 stat u dont need on it, however if u do so u get a -10 modifier on ur roll. (This doesnt apply on the weaponskill + to armour or focus lvls on staffs since they will be changed later)

If u win something u are out of the lotto. If u vote for an item and loose u are out of that lottoround but can vote again next round if there is one.

First round of the lotto u may only vote for the lvl 48+ char u are playing on the raid, or in case of seers/support the char u nominated.

Second round of the lotto u can vote for the char u playing on the raid or any of ur lvl 48+ alts.

Third round of the lotto anyone can vote for anything that is left, in this round lvl 48- chars can join.

I will do a /who on anyone that wins an item. If that person is anon the item will not be handed over until anon is removed. If the winner refuses to remove anon he is out of the lotto and the person that had second highest number will get the item instead.

All Seers/support that nominate an alt MUST have the nominated char logged in Hagall before the raid starts. If a char that is allowed to vote for an alt wins an item i will ask him to log on the char he nominated before the raid and i will give the item to that char. If the winner refuse to log the nominated char to collect the item, the item will go to the person that rolled second highest number instead.

Make sure u all read these rules carefully, i will ofc answer if u have any questions or something seems unclear but i prefer not to explain the rules in their full lenght via pm's

 

[Whisperess]

I'll be there ofc ( kill the birdies this time! )

 

[snol]

i wanna come to ^^ Ibaen lvl 50 PBT RM

 

[Kindar]

I'll tag along of course ^^
Want me to bring my pointy hat? :-P

 

[murazor]

Hmm, lets just get my calculator out....right sorted...that makes at least -2,000,000 on all rolls! Don't seem much point in coming really....

Soz don't like that rule but GL with the raid.

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by murazor
Hmm, lets just get my calculator out....right sorted...that makes at least -2,000,000 on all rolls! Don't seem much point in coming really....

Soz don't like that rule but GL with the raid.

So I guess you don't want to come because you have to listen to the raid leader, do as she says and not run ahead and start pulling mobs? ( aka you don't want to come if you can't be an annoying twat )

k

 

[Iri]

I dont like that rule either, i want it to be all friendly and everyone happy with no risk of getting - modifier on the lotto, BUT last raid there was ppl dissapering with drops, other ppl ran ahead and pulled mobs etc.

If someone accidently do a mistake they will not get any - in the lotto, its just there if someone repeatingly fail to listen to raidleader because behaviour like that can jeopardize the whole raid not to mention it steals valuable time that can be used to kill more mobs.

 

[luin]

iv prollly missed sumthing here but anyway.....

Ira, surely you dont wish to incure the displeasure of Rauth..... I thought tuesday belonged to him?













(if you didnt realise, that was sarcasm)

 

[phillies]

I'm there

 

[Iri]

hehehe, havent seen Ruathan post anything abut any raids in a long time, Akyma seems to want Mondays so i think Tuesdays is fine and free (atleast i havent got any strange treaths so far ; )

And ofc u must bring ur pointy hat Kindar, we look sooo good in em

 

[svartmetall]

Count me in with Svart

 

[soullessminion]

Would like to bring Bulll the shamy if any grps need end

 

[redfern]

I will be there.

p.s.

Think Ruath will do some raids soon (heard he got con'ed for 20P)

 

[Vell]

GoV will be there with a guild group, maybe a few more too - not sure how many yet

 

[mightybunny]

doh bokkerijders was planning a big raid to. whole day with summ SM.
guess we will cancel the event then and come to this raid instead.
so you can expect a summoning sm and 4 support classes

 

[murazor]

Hey Whisperess,

Seems Iri intelligent enough to appreciate and respond to my point as opposed to kiddie flaming. Don't think running ahead on raids is the only qualification for being an 'annoying twat'.

I think that the -20 rule will cause more problems than it saves particularly amongst the many people who either dont read BW or don't have good English.

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by murazor
Hey Whisperess,

Seems Iri intelligent enough to appreciate and respond to my point as opposed to kiddie flaming.

I know it's hard hanging round the grown ups but I'd save your comments till your body hair starts growing.

Hey Murazor.

Your post actually made me laugh. Thank you

Your original post wasn't very mature either, so you really didn't deserve better - oh, and next time you try to flame me - get your facts straight

 

[murazor]

Well I was editing it....

Sorry made my point with humour which obviously went several miles above your head ;p

Hmm calling people 'annoying twats' is sooo mature?

As I said, GL to Iri with the raid. I just don't want to play for hours and then get -20 cos I lag pull something.

I was in the group with the level 39 who walked off with stuff. I pointed out on the way to TG that the guy was 39 and the GL leader had just done /invite and not noticed and thought it unkind to kick them at that point. Should they get -20 for that.? The problem was they tried to rip off the stuff not that they were level 39.

Ps What facts straight? Do you have body hair?

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by murazor
Well I was editing it....

Sorry made my point with humour which obviously went several miles above your head ;p

As I said, GL to Iri with the raid. I just don't want to play for hours and then get -20 cos I lag pull something

I was in the group with the level 39 who walked off with stuff. I pointed out on the way to TG that the guy was 39 and the GL leader had just done /invite and not noticed and thought it unkind to kick them at that point. Should they get -20 for that.? The problem was they tried to rip off the stuff not that they were level 39.

Use smileys with humour, or it will fall into the "whine/flame" filter automagically - this is BW after all.

You lagpulling once would only result in a warning, but it should probably never happen unless you are far in front of the raid leader - which would result in a warning anyway. ( use PM's to explain that it was lag and nothing else, if that's the case ).

Regarding the level 39 - unkind, yes - wrong, no.

Just say "I'm sorry, the TG raid has a level 45 minimum requirement". You have to draw the line somewhere, and that is the actual line. ( as stated in the raid rules ).

These rules are there for a reason, and that reason is bad experiences from the past. I think the penalties to rolls is a good thing - TG raids are delayed up to several hours due to average joe-schmoe's lack of dicipline.

Edit: "Hmm calling people 'annoying twats' is sooo mature? "
Read the original post, your reply and then my reply and please try to grasp why I never called you an annoying twat.

 

[misloffke]

As i said in my thread i'll be joining you on your great raid again and taste the blood again of those evil creatures.
Btw, i'm the summ SM who changed his raid to sunday.
Only 1 question: can i nominate an alt instead of my SM and if so may he be lower lvl then 50. (i'm not support nor seer i think)
Greetz
PS. btw Iri, can you make my thread to sticky.

 

[fenderon]

Have to agree on the -20 rule(s).. They can suck for those below levelreq.. but there is a reason why there is a levelreq.

It will most likely save time too.. With less people faffing about with "who really got the loot? someone plz scroll up!!"

I was also one of the many that waited for [whoever] on last hunt. It really should not be something you have to do. TG-raids allready take a long time without the wait.

Anyhow, I will join with Fenderon (48 warrior atm). Looking forward to it

 

[murazor]

I understand what your saying Whisperess but the implication is that I am an annoying twat as my reason for not coming is to avoid my -2,000,000 for running ahead. Therefore I must be incapable of not running ahead and therefore must be...Semantics perhaps, but the implication is clearly there. I am sure that somehow I will recover one day from the wound to my ego.

Putting a grinning face next to it rather destroys irony imho.... True irony may struggle with BW. Also I need to work out how to get emoticons to work on this

I agree level 45s shouldnt be allowed on raids but disagree that some feckless GL who happened to end up leading and has never read BW or the rules should be penalised. Asking them to leave seems to work quite well. The time wasting was cos the guys ran with the drops, you can do that at level 50. Kicking sub 45s took 3 minutes.

I note that Iri doesnt intend a fascist enforcement regime which encourages me but I can just see this actually causing more grief than it saves. I truly hope Im wrong.

 

[Iri]

Originally posted by murazor

As I said, GL to Iri with the raid. I just don't want to play for hours and then get -20 cos I lag pull something.

That really offends me, du u really think that low about me?

I always have held fair raids and lottos and never cheated or threathnened anyone!

As i clearly stated in my rules NOONE will get any - for a mistake, the rule is there if someone reaptingly do things that will cause danger or delay to the raid. And for the GL that invited a 39 (and the 39 that sneaked in on the raid) imo its not unkind to realize a mistake and correct it in time, dont think it was fun for the lowbie to have alot of ppl mad at him and get disbanded in TG...

 

[lorric]

Iri's TG raids are the best run and lottod in ages ive not been on any but there the only raids guildies have gone on that havent ended up with whine in /gu at the end.

 

[murazor]

Maybe you missed my post above or edits...

Iri, your raid was fine, the way you dealt with the problems was good and I did not intend to criticise your raid running. I can see how you could take it that way, and whilst that was not the intention, I apologise for any offence (dam caught doing what iIaccused Whisperess of ).

I don't like the -20 rule cos I think it has the potential to be unfair and cause trouble on the raid, thats my opinion, you don't agree and I hope you are right. More raids run the better imho and compared to say Akymas yours was a delight. Its your raid, your rules and I wish you the best of luck. Now you have said that is not some insta punishment I may even come myself (in disguise).

As for the 39, he disbanded from v friendly group (lets face it we didn't kick him in first place) with raid items, he wasnt kicked. Maybe he panicked but that was not the GLs fault. He acted out of kindness, even if he was wrong, and don't think he should be penalised for that.

 

[Iri]

Well if u read the raidrules u can see its no insta punishment I says if someone act bad they will be warned, if they dont listen to the warning they will get -, hope that cleared out.

And for the GL of that lowbie, i didnt take any actions against him, i just want to make sure noone breaks the lvl requirments again since the lvl 39 and the lvl 44 besides from being too low to be of much help caused some trble aswell as breaking the rules.

I hope u come on the raid as anyone else thats up for it and again NOONE will get any - by simply doing a mistake

 

[-RG-Jaond]

LOL at does crying about the - thing, you planning to steal and don't listen to leader im sure the raid will be much better without you anyway.

 

[lorric]

Originally posted by murazor
Maybe you missed my post above or edits...

Iri, your raid was fine, the way you dealt with the problems was good and I did not intend to criticise your raid running. I can see how you could take it that way, and whilst that was not the intention, I apologise for any offence (dam caught doing what iIaccused Whisperess of ).

I don't like the -20 rule cos I think it has the potential to be unfair and cause trouble on the raid, thats my opinion, you don't agree and I hope you are right. More raids run the better imho and compared to say Akymas yours was a delight. Its your raid, your rules and I wish you the best of luck. Now you have said that is not some insta punishment I may even come myself (in disguise).

As for the 39, he disbanded from v friendly group (lets face it we didn't kick him in first place) with raid items, he wasnt kicked. Maybe he panicked but that was not the GLs fault. He acted out of kindness, even if he was wrong, and don't think he should be penalised for that.

Your right it does have the potential to be unfair in the hands of a raid leader thats out for her/his own intrest but from what i hear Iri is always fair so it shouldnt be a problem.

 

[murazor]

Jaond,

'planning to steal'?

Think you need more English lessons m8.

 

[Whisperess]

Enough is enough Let's not ruin this thread

Iri has the best current (public) raids, come or not - your choice. 'nuff said