Psychics

[old.Tohtori]

Then again, prove that these people who REALLY know sh*t, are full of it.

Go to one, and then come back and tell

Doubt isn't disproof.

 

[Afran]

This thread reminds me of the Physic South Park episode

 

[crispy]

Well if they really are psychic they could easily prove that they are, but instead they don't want to be subjects for a little investigation etc. Doesnt really make me believe them more :>

They have to PROVE that they are psychic, we dont have to disprove them since its their claim...

 

[old.Tohtori]

They have to PROVE that they are psychic, we dont have to disprove them since its their claim...

Well there's proof enough in the first post, now disproove that for a start

 

[psyco]

nah was no cold reading. She didnt prompt me to say anything. Everything she said rang true which is why it only lasted 5 minutes. There was no guessing etc. Im still a little sceptical but ive also heard stories from other people who have been to see her and they say the same thing

many people who have been scammed with it, wouldn't know that they are doing it, thats how it works

now, if your not whilling to except the fact that it might be cold reading, then theres no real point to this

 

[Tasslehoff]

many people who have been scammed with it, wouldn't know that they are doing it, thats how it works

now, if your not whilling to except the fact that it might be cold reading, then theres no real point to this

If you're not willing to accept the fact that it might be a psychic there's no real point to it.

 

[Eeben]

Darren Brown says very general things, which someone is likely to connect to, and he reads their body language and makes educated guesses from that. The people who I know don't act anything like that, they just say specific things right off, and they don't say loads, trying to work out the answer, they would say straight away what they know.

maybe that comes with practice.. If your been doing this shit for 10 years i bet you will be alot better then you were when you startet..

 

[Tasslehoff]

maybe that comes with practice.. If your been doing this shit for 10 years i bet you will be alot better then you were when you startet..

Why would 10 years make you able to say something exact? If the only thing he can do, is say general things that people connect to, he wouldn't be able to do it anyway else in 10 years.. Maybe say general things that sound more personal, but not general things that are personal.

 

[tris-]

did you see messire(SP?)? that was truly amazing... basicly, he went around to 5 different organisations/schools and pretended to do various psychic tricks, and every single time he got a scholarship type thing

ye was fantastic, think thats where im remembering it from.

 

[Eeben]

Why would 10 years make you able to say something exact? If the only thing he can do, is say general things that people connect to, he wouldn't be able to do it anyway else in 10 years.. Maybe say general things that sound more personal, but not general things that are personal.

so you say someone who has been doing it for 10 years wont be better at reading ppl an stuff then someone who done it one time?

 

[Tasslehoff]

so you say someone who has been doing it for 10 years wont be better at reading ppl an stuff then someone who done it one time?

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm just saying that 10 years of reading body language won't make you able to tell, that aunt Gretha isen't guilty, and won't be able to help the police, and won't be able to do what Marc described, and won't be able to give exact names on (dead) relatives that want to say something, which makes sense to the person.

 

[tris-]

you never watched derren brown then?

hes a super fucking uber pro expert at that.

 

[psyco]

If you're not willing to accept the fact that it might be a psychic there's no real point to it.

i am willing to except, but a discussion on FH wont prove that she is

 

[Eeben]

you never watched derren brown then?

hes a super fucking uber pro expert at that.

finding clip of that atm

 

[Eeben]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm just saying that 10 years of reading body language won't make you able to tell, that aunt Gretha isen't guilty, and won't be able to help the police, and won't be able to do what Marc described, and won't be able to give exact names on (dead) relatives that want to say something, which makes sense to the person.

something like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdqrv8sWNG8

 

[psyco]

finding clip of that atm

he recently did a live show for channel 4(was pre-recorded)

that was true tv gold, think it air'd 28th dec

 

[Bracken]

Why wouldn't it be true? 30 years ago scientists thought they'd discovered every disease going, and then legionaires disease was discovered(followed by e-coli, ebola and so on). Dark matter is only just being believed in (and understood) as it is "invisible". Heck, not so long back most people thought the world was flat. Why is it not possible that the physical body is only a part of our being and that "death" is actually a transition from the soul being rooted in the physical body to a transcendental state? The possibility that some people can detect this different state and engage with it seems entirely plausible to me. Of course there are fraudsters, but that doesn't mean there aren't genuine people who are sensitive to a different universal dimension. Heck, more and more quantum physics points to a spiritual universe that most of us are oblivious to. I'd say if in doubt, run with it and see where it leads you

 

[psyco]

This thread reminds me of the Physic South Park episode

i dont remember that one, what happend in it again?

Why wouldn't it be true? 30 years ago scientists thought they'd discovered every disease going, and then legionaires disease was discovered(followed by e-coli, ebola and so on). Dark matter is only just being believed in (and understood) as it is "invisible". Heck, not so long back most people thought the world was flat. Why is it not possible that the physical body is only a part of our being and that "death" is actually a transition from the soul being rooted in the physical body to a transcendental state? The possibility that some people can detect this different state and engage with it seems entirely plausible to me. Of course there are fraudsters, but that doesn't mean there aren't genuine people who are sensitive to a different universal dimension. Heck, more and more quantum physics points to a spiritual universe that most of us are oblivious to. I'd say if in doubt, run with it and see where it leads you

2 spring to mind;

1. ever since dinosaurs people have been claiming to be psychic, people offer to test the ability's, most refuse, and if there except then there quickly proven wrong

2. if you were a psychic would you want people constantly pestering you? wouldn't you feel less stress if you were just an accountant?

 

[Marc]

many people who have been scammed with it, wouldn't know that they are doing it, thats how it works

now, if your not whilling to except the fact that it might be cold reading, then theres no real point to this

How can it be cold reading? Did you actually read what the first thing she said to me was?

 

[Marc]

Work colleague of the girlfriend went last night. This is totally true and im not mkaing anything up. The Pyschic asked my GFs work colleague "why was your sisters hair a mess at her funeral?"

1. How did the psychic know her sister was dead
2. How did she know her hair was a mess at her funeral.

Apparantly, my gfs work colleagues sister died a few years ago and at the funeral her hair was a mess in the coffin which was strange because normally the undertakers make sure the person in the coffin is all done up.

Ok this is getting spooky now!

I wouldnt say I totally believe in it all, however, im sat on the fence now as apposed to being totally cynical

 

[Boni]

Why wouldn't it be true? 30 years ago scientists thought they'd discovered every disease going, and then legionaires disease was discovered(followed by e-coli, ebola and so on). Dark matter is only just being believed in (and understood) as it is "invisible". Heck, not so long back most people thought the world was flat.

Hmm, gotta pick you up on that.

Pretty sure no one ever thought they had discovered every disease going.
Dark matter has always been believed by scientists, since its a scientific concept, what it consists of they dont know, but its existance has been accepted as fact for over 50 years.
And people thinking the world is flat is a common misconception, learnerd men have know the world is round for around 2000 years.

 

[Dahakon]

Hmm, gotta pick you up on that.

Pretty sure no one ever thought they had discovered every disease going.
Dark matter has always been believed by scientists, since its a scientific concept, what it consists of they dont know, but its existance has been accepted as fact for over 50 years.
And people thinking the world is flat is a common misconception, learnerd men have know the world is round for around 2000 years.

While that is true, you can understand the point he is making. 200 years ago Newton thought he had worked out how gravity worked, then Einstien came along and gave use general and special relitivity, then quantum came along and totally changed the way we look at the physical universe. If you know anything about quantum, then you should be able to understand that just because our 5 sense tell us something, doesn't mean the world is actually like that. As there is so much hard science, which seems to be very improbable, then why can't something else which seems alot more plausible (and is pointed to by science) also be true?

Edit: Oh, and I just watched the clip of Darren Brown, he just uses the same techniques as he used in the other clip, reading reactions, and he had researched these people, so could probably remember some of their case history, and everything else was just playing the probabilities, like someone who believes in aliens useing alternative medicen. And Aliens are a stupid thing to talk about anyway, as: 1) it breaks the laws of science as we know it and 2) the whole Alien idea was a conspirace started by the US government, to explain away them testing new types of saucer shaped aircraft that they were testing. Such as the F117 stealth bomber for example.

/off topic

 

[Boni]

While that is true, you can understand the point he is making. 200 years ago Newton thought he had worked out how gravity worked...

Yep I wasnt really dissing his point, which I partly subscribe to, just the examples. But still to say 'anythings possible' because we have made a few generalisations, assumptions and first order solutions elsewhere in science isnt the strongest argument in the world. Its enough to conceed there might be something more, but trying to justify it with terms like 'probablity' or vague references to the quantum world doesnt work for me. Your sentence 'If you know anything about quantum,' is something ive heard from many people. If you know lots about quantum you wouldnt be saying such things. If you did only know a little, then it would be easy to confuse that with all types of mad shit being possible

 

[Tasslehoff]

something like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdqrv8sWNG8

Seeing as he knew , that she was writing books, and most of her life history, why wouldn't he be able to check if she had gotten a surgery?

On top of that it might all be staged.

 

[Gorbachioo]

If there were real psychics, we would know that because atleast one of them would have proven that and made a alot of money with it.


I wonder why these "real psychics" never win the lottery.

 

[Huntingtons]

this is great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsUhLv4tpSw&NR

 

[Eeben]

Seeing as he knew , that she was writing books, and most of her life history, why wouldn't he be able to check if she had gotten a surgery?

On top of that it might all be staged.

this is staged also right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_oUDev1rME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuOL5QQGzjQ

 

[NikonL]

In my view its one of those things where you actually have to WANT to work. Its like horoscopes and hypnotism. Ive been "hypnotised" twice and it didnt work either of the times. I was told afterwards that some people arent receptive to it, i guess because i was sitting there being very skeptical.

I think if you WANT it to work then it bridges the gap between what you hear and what you connect it to in your brain, thus making it seem more accurate and relevant than it in fact was. And ive read your post Marc and i know she was very specific about certain things, but i still dont beleive she did it from a cold start, i beleive she either knew about you or you yourself read too much into it and youre simply confused now as to what she actually said.

That said, id like to be proven wrong. i really want to meet someone who claims to be psycic just to see if they can truly work their magic on me It would be interesting if they managed it, as that would mean virtually everything ive ever been taught could be wrong.

 

[psyco]

How can it be cold reading? Did you actually read what the first thing she said to me was?

well, most people have let there nan down at some point

but i guess they have to change there techniques cause everyone knows how to spot the faker

 

[NikonL]

well, most people have let there nan down at some point

but i guess they have to change there techniques cause everyone knows how to spot the faker

yeah i agree, marcs experiance sounds pretty much a typical horoscope type vague reference, i mean.. everyone has a nan its not going out on a limb for her, she didnt say your nan was alive or dead, she didnt say anything about GCSE's. id say marcs mind filled in the blanks, then altered the meaning of her words afterwards to fit, rather than she got it right first time.

I mean if that woman had used that exact same line on me ("your nan understands the reasons why you didnt go and see her and tells you not to worry because she was proud of you") It would have worked as well, i didnt go see my nan when she was in hospital after a mini-stroke, and i felt badly about it. the "she was proud of you" line would have given me a bit of trouble, but if i truly wanted to beleive then im sure my mind would have made a connection