Proposed assasin balance patch.

[Haldar]

http://pub146.ezboard.com/fthesafehousefrm19.showMessage?topicID=4761.topic

 

[froler-mid]

little too much balance there. booooooring

 

[Pin]

yup, make em all the same, except give a fully buffed SB 2500 hp instead

 

[Vasconcelos]

Aye, cookie cutters assasins for the 3 realms.
Pretty like dueling infil vs. infil / ns vs. ns , the 1st landing DFang/DiamondB the winner

 

[salamurhaaja]

I have 1903 hp fully buffed and aug con3 + toughness2

How much you infils have?

 

[Glacier]

Great idea imo

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by salamurhaaja
I have 1903 hp fully buffed and aug con3 + toughness2

How much you infils have?

Well, after patch 1.61 which raises the caps on stats from buffs, Briton Inf with +10 Con at creation, capped stats from items, Aug Con 3, Toughness 3, be at 2063hp.

A Norse SB with +10 Con at creation, same gear, RAs, buffs will be at 2197hp.




My gimpy Saracen with +0 at creation sits on 1793 at the moment.

Anyway, the entire list of suggestions was the 2nd biggest joke I've read today... (the best is in off-topic, titled "cyber...")

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Pin

My gimpy Saracen with +0 at creation sits on 1793 at the moment.

ffs, i got 1792


(gimped aswell)

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by froler-mid
ffs, i got 1792


(gimped aswell)

okay, so mine's probably 1792 aswell...

Still SBs all have more HP than my Reaver aswell (1816 atm)

 

[Tasans]

*ahem*
Saracen starting con: 50
Norse starting con: 70

I think mythic will "balance" something tho when those respeced sbs are getting their ass handed to them by other assasins anyway.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Tasans
*ahem*
Saracen starting con: 50
Norse starting con: 70

so? I compared a briton with a norse (in the next patch) and a saracen with a kobold (in this patch).

given equal amounts of con, the SB has 5% more hp.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Tasans

I think mythic will "balance" something tho when those respeced sbs are getting their ass handed to them by other assasins anyway.

why? if they are regularly getting their ass handed to them it's due to them being inadequate, skillless n00bs, not because the class is sub-par

 

[Tasans]

Originally posted by Pin
why? if they are regularly getting their ass handed to them it's due to them being inadequate, skillless n00bs, not because the class is sub-par

Thats irrelevant

 

[Brisk Mordain]

saracens have more dex than Norse thats why they get lower con

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Tasans
Thats irrelevant

Pin is right, if SBs are constantly getting their ass hadned to them by other assasins, is it honestly a problem with the class?
Answer: No.

Shadowblades are insanly powerful if the player has half a clue (read: press comeback THEN doublefrost )

Any shadowblade that knows how to play (ie wasn't plvld, didn't ebay the char) should win more than he loses against most assasins, it is honestly, very easy compared to some other classes in game (including infils...fo remi, i'll give u that )

The balance is fine, difference is good, if you want an evade stun, roll an infil/NS, if you want viper/AP etc, roll a NS, but whatever the fuck you do, don't listen to the people on VN boards (safehouse isn't as bad, but still whine) If they spent half the time playing the game as they do whining, they'd have at least SOME clue about the class they rolled and have a chance of winning.


Edit: btw i only got 1800ish hp, so all these "omfg SBs have 2k+ hp" whines are bs ;x (yes im gimped....15.x effective dps weapon ;x)

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos

Any shadowblade that knows how to play (ie wasn't plvld, didn't ebay the char) should win more than he loses against most assasins, it is honestly, very easy compared to some other classes in game (including infils...fo remi, i'll give u that )

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mmmmmmmmmmmmm ^^ (nerf pls)

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
but whatever the fuck you do, don't listen to the people on VN boards (safehouse isn't as bad, but still whine) If they spent half the time playing the game as they do whining, they'd have at least SOME clue about the class they rolled and have a chance of winning.

omg , thats soo true. VGN guys are mostly nubbers that whiiiiiine too much.

 

[Aussie-]

not sure but could it be a SB who proposed this?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by froler-mid

omg , thats soo true. VGN guys are mostly nubbers that whiiiiiine too much.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that isn't a typo

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by froler-mid
omg , thats soo true. VGN guys are mostly nubbers that whiiiiiine too much.

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Pin
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that isn't a typo

ops

 

[mirak_naijmi]

I am still not convinced this will work since there are only one shadowblade that have said we will still be able to beat an infil after 1,62. But i am researching the topic

Carlos, you realise how long it took before i realised that you should press comeback BEFORE doublefrost?

 

[jox]

...

Originally posted by Pin
why? if they are regularly getting their ass handed to them it's due to them being inadequate, skillless n00bs, not because the class is sub-par

I am afraid I belong to this group with my new exotic ra-spec,(includes a third step on dex, bladedance, whirling dervish and hail of blows) but I just have to try it out

 

[Pin]

Re: ...

Originally posted by jox
I am afraid I belong to this group with my new exotic ra-spec,(includes a third step on dex, bladedance, whirling dervish and hail of blows) but I just have to try it out

okay... with the knowledge that there might be shadowblades out there with this setup it might just draw Pin out of retirement to have a good laugh.... or maybe not.



PS. Don't forget to leave enough points for Shadowrun.

 

[Denisée]

Imo Aura got a nice idea here going on. I feel sad that it is not a patchnote.

And to Carlos if u do use DF as a SB without end, that is only on a 10 min timer that leads us to be 90% of the time without it if albs ain't camping mmg in Emain, you would be out of end from 2-4 styles. If another infil/ns comes around your scrued. Well most time u don't find assasins solo so that issue happens all the time.


Aura seem to have been the only thining person on vgn I've read about. The only problem is the armour. Mythic will never accept that setup. Weak Slash, Resistance Crush, Neutral Thrust whould be something else.

When for 'once' a guy come up with something actualy working for assasin balance you all just jump on him. sad sad.....

 

[aavarn]

So hang on a second - shadowblades are uber and n00bs if they lose because they can use the LA styles which are getting nerfed to high heaven in 1.62?

Hmmm.. spot the problem with the logic in that statement in a thread which is discussing post 1.62 balancing.

All of you talking about how SBs should easily win against other stealther classes are talking about Left Axe which won't be as effective.

The only way SBs can compete against other stealthers was with the speccing of LA, Critblade specs have ALWAYS been advised to run when they see an inf. Until we see just how bad the LA nerf is nobody can realistically say that SBs are or will be over/under powered. We need to see how this plays before we start whining.

However - it is Mythic's stated intent to move assassins back to being stealthy killers (quite rightly) and given much has been taken away lately I think changes need to be made to make this viable. At the moment with SC armour being worn by targets it is difficult to be an effective SB when almost 1/3 of your melee dmg will be resisted anyway.

nice changes but we need more differential between the realms still - boosting the NS magic would be a good way to achieve this.
Increase 2H CS damage for SBs and something else for Infils so that each class has its own unique selling point.

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Denisée
When for 'once' a guy come up with something actualy working for assasin balance you all just jump on him. sad sad.....

those 'balance notes' are a wee bit too much, its like giving all casters base line stun, nearsight, bolts etc.

every class should have something unique AND be balanced with counter part in other realms (imo).

Originally posted by aavarn
So hang on a second - shadowblades are uber and n00bs if they lose because they can use the LA styles which are getting nerfed to high heaven in 1.62?

versus a equal opponent, got relics(!). yes, there should not be a problem too gank other assasins.

 

[Gekul]

I've said it before, but with the exception of doublefrost, the cs styles do more damage. And that's with a lower CS spec than LA. (with the proposed changes).
I don't want all assasins to be the same, there seems to be a rising trend in people suggesting these sort of changes for all classes. Making every realm almost a clone of the other.
Part of me is looking forward to a change, I've wanted to try a Critblade spec for a while (I first started one back when 1 shot stay stealthed was still in), but I don't think shadowblades will be on a level playing field without LA.
I won't see a drop in kills btw, I'll start using my bot so I doubt I will die more often than I do now.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Denisée
And to Carlos if u do use DF as a SB without end, that is only on a 10 min timer that leads us to be 90% of the time without it if albs ain't camping mmg in Emain, you would be out of end from 2-4 styles. If another infil/ns comes around your scrued. Well most time u don't find assasins solo so that issue happens all the time.

If you fight 2 assasins, you SHOULD be screwed anyway, no matter how much end you have, 2 people should be able to beat 1 person...and would be able to if we where balanced, but not to boast, if they're under RR7, i can usually beat 2 infils at the same time on Unity, thats without PA, and usually without Frosty.

Buffed vs buffed, the only infils that really stand a chance are RR7+ (and maybe ghostly...damn he hits hard)

Nightshades, are in a terrible state, sure some kickass on the US servers, but from what i've seen, IGN whines aside, they're hurting badly, no matter what realm rank...even Iziz, Dexa and Envenom i could kill easly on my shadowblade, when they where RR6/7+ and me RR2/3...Their RAs are good, but RAs are not part of the class, as a class, they're in a shit state.

i could show you a ton of pics of myself hitting infils/NS for rediculace damage (but i wont cos i can't be assed ), winning 2, and 3 on 1, most of which, i've NEVER seen a nightshade do, and only ever once seen an infil do (once saw Yog solo a warrior, thane and someone else at mmg )


Edit: btw, if you can only get 2-4 DFs from 1 end bar, something is seriously wrong ...yea it takes a lot of end, but prolly near 6-10 depending on weapons your using....but what does it matter when it only takes 3 to kill someone?

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Gekul
I've said it before, but with the exception of doublefrost, the cs styles do more damage. And that's with a lower CS spec than LA. (with the proposed changes).
I don't want all assasins to be the same, there seems to be a rising trend in people suggesting these sort of changes for all classes. Making every realm almost a clone of the other.
Part of me is looking forward to a change, I've wanted to try a Critblade spec for a while (I first started one back when 1 shot stay stealthed was still in), but I don't think shadowblades will be on a level playing field without LA.
I won't see a drop in kills btw, I'll start using my bot so I doubt I will die more often than I do now.

Hamstring chain (minus the top 2) do insane damage...but the stun is far nicer..snoqsqual in it's currant state is devastating

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by aavarn
All of you talking about how SBs should easily win against other stealther classes are talking about Left Axe which won't be as effective.

The only way SBs can compete against other stealthers was with the speccing of LA, Critblade specs have ALWAYS been advised to run when they see an inf. Until we see just how bad the LA nerf is nobody can realistically say that SBs are or will be over/under powered. We need to see how this plays before we start whining.

thats not compleatly true.
1st, there are many critblades who beat infils, some with ease, lets start with Victer (b4 he respecced) sure he's RR9 or somethign...but did he start at that RR? He still beats infils of the same RR.

Aada, (the old Aada) could reliably beat infils...her LA spec? 7 (i think), when duels where introduced, a whole load of shadowblades dueled in Haggerfel, Aada beat most...including SZs, she whiped the floor with me, i remember her also beating Gedan, and a few other high RR SZs...using CS styles.

Even i...as a 5spec (36 weapon, 34 CS) sometimes use my CS styles and beat infils, the only reason i ever use LA styles over CS are 1) for the stun 2) for an anytime with no pen to def