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cHodAX
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If we all get on to GOA about this and urge our guildmates to do the same then GOA cannot ignore us.
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Khalen
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Figure this one out. If someone screws up the respec he can't respec again and still doesn't know if a self-made template works.. you're still not any further then..
But I do agree people from other servers should have a chance also..
But I do agree people from other servers should have a chance also..
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The point of respec was never to allow everyone to make the uber perfect character, it was to fix specs that youve made that have changed during the patches.
Its a opportunity for high levels whos been around since early patches to fix the errors they made way back when they didnt have the info that they do now. And allow new players to do 2 respecs as they go on, at 20 and 40, as they too lack the info we at 50 got.
If you want to perfect your char, fine read the different usa daoc forums.
Wait a couple days after patch and ask chars who already have the specs your thinking of respeccing too.
I made a shield champ, 45+ days of playtime, would be odd if all of the sudden I just turned into a LW champ? Defies all logic for roleplaying, your supposed to decide early on what you want to be, this respec should really just be a fix to those errors you made early on....
Personaly im just gonna use my respec to fix a couple minor errors I did, like calculating my points a bit wrong, ending up with only 42 blades when I intended to have 44....
Yes sure, ive got the chance to go LW, but I picked shield champ from early on... and even if ill stay a gimp, im sticking with it... at least im not selling out my char to become a rp whore.
Oh well, perhaps its just me...
Its a opportunity for high levels whos been around since early patches to fix the errors they made way back when they didnt have the info that they do now. And allow new players to do 2 respecs as they go on, at 20 and 40, as they too lack the info we at 50 got.
If you want to perfect your char, fine read the different usa daoc forums.
Wait a couple days after patch and ask chars who already have the specs your thinking of respeccing too.
I made a shield champ, 45+ days of playtime, would be odd if all of the sudden I just turned into a LW champ? Defies all logic for roleplaying, your supposed to decide early on what you want to be, this respec should really just be a fix to those errors you made early on....
Personaly im just gonna use my respec to fix a couple minor errors I did, like calculating my points a bit wrong, ending up with only 42 blades when I intended to have 44....
Yes sure, ive got the chance to go LW, but I picked shield champ from early on... and even if ill stay a gimp, im sticking with it... at least im not selling out my char to become a rp whore.
Oh well, perhaps its just me...
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They don't have to keep testing all servers before they have the patch go live, they just need to keep testing the rest after it has gone live - sure, people will have to wait with their respecs but the patch wont be delayed and everyone will get the same advantage of trying one extra respec on gorre - which is a quite huge advantage, not only for people who made mistakes.
The character copy would be optimal though, not sure if goa knows how to do that, or if they are willing to. ;/~
The character copy would be optimal though, not sure if goa knows how to do that, or if they are willing to. ;/~
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Agree here, all databases should be rotated on Gorre once the patch is out, especially for this patch.
Either that or setup the character copy situation the yanks have for Pendragon.
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The solution is a lot simpler than SoulFly is suggesting. If someone already mentioned it, nevermind.
Solution:
Copy the Gorre database BACK OVER the live one. Voila, problem solved. Everyone has only one respect. They can use it on Gorre or on their home server. End of problem.
Solution:
Copy the Gorre database BACK OVER the live one. Voila, problem solved. Everyone has only one respect. They can use it on Gorre or on their home server. End of problem.
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old.Revz
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The only people who made "fundamental mistakes" with their character spec are those who didn't research it before they started playing. Bear in mind the game was out in the US for several months before the beta opened here, it was in beta for many months and then retail opened. If you hadn't gotten your spec right by then there must be something wrong.
What most people want to use the respec for is compensating for major changes Mythic have made to the game since they chose to spec one way. To give you an example the cleric smite nerf basically made it illogical and wasteful to spec 48 smite (which is what 99% of smite clerics have). These smite clerics will use their respec to fix this. When they created their characters and got to 50 that 48 smite was optimal, now it is just a waste of points. It is absolutely not their fault and so Mythic are fixing this by giving people the chance to respec.
Mythic have not put a respec in just so that people who made mistakes by spending 2 extra points in one line can fix that. It is your own fault and if you ask CS to fix it they will say no (and rightly so). I think it is only fair that if you are having to completely change how your character works based on things put into the game after you chose to play them in one way then we should all get the same number of chances to test new spec types.
If you could copy your character to the test server like you can in the US then this wouldn't even be an issue.
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old.Kladen
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its been said already
http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34802
but i dont understand why GOA cant put the other server databases on after we get patched
http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34802
but i dont understand why GOA cant put the other server databases on after we get patched
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Grymlina
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omg SF , what i have gooing around beeing angry about and mailed kemor abot same thing. So stupid that excali get all the benefits.
Why did they do 2 (english) servers then if they are not equal treated.
Why did they do 2 (english) servers then if they are not equal treated.
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old.Atrox
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Strange thing is that, the only ppl I see being against the idea are from Excal, the ppl who would have to wait.
I think they could patch up after the testings are done with the "Main" server DB's, then after they patch us up, theycould run 2 - 3 days on each servers DB, no waiting all fair and good.
Oh and to the ppl who say theres templates and character builders out there, are you really that dumb or ?
a spec may look good on the paper, but be something else while playing it, so getting free respecs are very good, and I think every1 deservs it.
b4 you say anything, Im gonna respec my EXCAL char not my Prydwen, so I doesnt affect me if Prydwen get afew days on Gorre or not
I think they could patch up after the testings are done with the "Main" server DB's, then after they patch us up, theycould run 2 - 3 days on each servers DB, no waiting all fair and good.
Oh and to the ppl who say theres templates and character builders out there, are you really that dumb or ?
a spec may look good on the paper, but be something else while playing it, so getting free respecs are very good, and I think every1 deservs it.
b4 you say anything, Im gonna respec my EXCAL char not my Prydwen, so I doesnt affect me if Prydwen get afew days on Gorre or not
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Sure Gideon, and Mythic havent changed any of the classes
"The only people who made "fundamental mistakes" with their character spec are those who didn't research it before they started playing"
lol yea..
here is a hint for you: some of us leveled to 50 many many months ago, and "fundemental changes" have been made to some classes since that.
Im looking very much forward to respeccing Blood, but i would like to be able to test out how high to take Beastcraft vs. Spear
"The only people who made "fundamental mistakes" with their character spec are those who didn't research it before they started playing"
lol yea..
here is a hint for you: some of us leveled to 50 many many months ago, and "fundemental changes" have been made to some classes since that.
Im looking very much forward to respeccing Blood, but i would like to be able to test out how high to take Beastcraft vs. Spear
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I agree with you here Blood.
Maybe you specced good, but Mythic changed the specs that might have made your spec crap.
Just my 2cents.
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old.Revz
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Uh Blood/Teador did you read my post? To quote myself :
What I mean is the respec is there exactly so you can change a spec that was initially great but stopped being viable thanks to game changes made by Mythic that are beyond your control. It isn't there to help the guy who mistakenly specced too far along one line and wants the points back because that is his own fault.
We both mean the same thing right?
What I mean is the respec is there exactly so you can change a spec that was initially great but stopped being viable thanks to game changes made by Mythic that are beyond your control. It isn't there to help the guy who mistakenly specced too far along one line and wants the points back because that is his own fault.
We both mean the same thing right?
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And when has GoA/mythic even been fair? Oo
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I have to sign under this one. The advantage Excal gets is really big. As to how it would suppose to be dealt with, I leave that to the techies.
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old.chesnor
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Originally posted by old.ImLestat
I have to sign under this one. The advantage Excal gets is really big. As to how it would suppose to be dealt with, I leave that to the techies.
The advantage Excal gets over who ? Its not like the people who play Excal will ever play against those who play Prydwen. The entire Prydwen server is at the same disadvantage, and those who play Excal have the same advantage. It cancels itself out.
As someone has said before, Gorre's purpose isn't to allow players to experiment with respeccing to get the most perfect and uber spec. All you need to do is look at the spell/style lines, read VN boards and do a bit of research. Noone 'needs' to experiment with specs before respec, and if you do you have kind of missed the whole point.
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not my fault you contradict yourself in the same post
and yes it is most certainly also to help that guy who specced 40 shield (and didnt know about 42 slam)
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old.Revz
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Read, comprehend, post. I might not have been completely clear but if you take the time to read everything I wrote instead of making a knee jerk response to the first parapgraph you would have seen what I meant.
Additionally, if the respec is to help people who made a mistake (like the 40 shield instead of 42) when speccing their character why don't CS representatives fix this when asked?
Additionally, if the respec is to help people who made a mistake (like the 40 shield instead of 42) when speccing their character why don't CS representatives fix this when asked?
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hmm...
I know exactly what I'm gonna do with my /respec all.
Drop Mana to 48, kill all enchantments except what is left over from topping up Light.
Hmm... Wonder how many other Enchanters will be doing this?
Or even /respec Mana up to 48...
Would really like to try a 39 Mana/rest Light spec, test it on Gorre incase I don't like it.
I remember the days when Tenpit and I used to hold off entire relic attacks back in 1.36, 2 lvl 3x Enchies and a 3x bard vs the entire (up to lvl 50) Midgard attack, with me gaining rr2 by about 4k more than anyone else in Hib/Pryd with just 1 relic and 2 keep defences.
Ah! The joy of 1.36. No Climb Wall, no AoE on keep doors, archer classes ruled the game, and ganking Waylander with a force of 20 Hibs was an achievement
Dear GOA, can I /respec class to a Mentalist please?
I know exactly what I'm gonna do with my /respec all.
Drop Mana to 48, kill all enchantments except what is left over from topping up Light.
Hmm... Wonder how many other Enchanters will be doing this?
Or even /respec Mana up to 48...
Would really like to try a 39 Mana/rest Light spec, test it on Gorre incase I don't like it.
I remember the days when Tenpit and I used to hold off entire relic attacks back in 1.36, 2 lvl 3x Enchies and a 3x bard vs the entire (up to lvl 50) Midgard attack, with me gaining rr2 by about 4k more than anyone else in Hib/Pryd with just 1 relic and 2 keep defences.
Ah! The joy of 1.36. No Climb Wall, no AoE on keep doors, archer classes ruled the game, and ganking Waylander with a force of 20 Hibs was an achievement
Dear GOA, can I /respec class to a Mentalist please?
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neither.
just research the VNBoards. there's plenty good stuff between all the whines
just research the VNBoards. there's plenty good stuff between all the whines
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Because your spec is supposed to be final and that's that, if the techies fixed stuff like that on a regular basis all you'd have would be people sticking points whereever, with no concern because they know it would be fixed at a moments notice, at least this way you have to actually take some responsibility for your actions since it's going to effect things more.
personally my void eld is going pure mana, yes it's a big change, yes it's a bit iffy and not really about the "minor mistakes" which respec is for, but sod that, my minor mistake was thinking that speccing something in this game meant anything along the lines of "if you spec this, you will still have this char in such and such a time" when the reality is "if you spec this, you will have a totally different char because of nerfs and game balance changes in such and such a time"
basically when i made my eld i had decided to go for a damage dealer, not to "0wNz0R" anyone of some other crap, but because i was in the mood, i usually go for the more utility specced things in most games so i thought i'd go for this, problem is though, that when you spec damage, that damage spec will hit people HARD (like it's supposed too, which is why you lose the utility abilities from the other ways of speccing as a balance), which will make people whine, and you get nerfed, which is why void is not viable anymore, it's the damage spec, which hits for less than the utility specs
since it's been nerfed to hell.this means, that when i decided to spec void, it was viable, there was NO MISTAKE, then it gets shafted and i am left with a spec line which does less damage than any other, yet rather than have the utility spells as you'd expect from such a weak damage spec, it has um...nothing, yep nothing, and is therefore broken.
soooo, i'm respeccing because while i researched and made a good decision for the character i actually wanted to play, i was shafted and that GOOD, RESEARCHED, AND STUDIED decision about my spec, which was CORRECT for what i wanted to do with the char, is now totally wrong, void is no longer even remotely viable, niether is light (although is, as it stands FAR better than void, yet about to be nerfed to uselessness also
), so i'm going pure mana, to be a mana bomb? slightly perhaps, but mainly just so i'm not totally useless anymore, that's the main thing.what about my other chars? respeccing those? nope, certainly not, i'm actually happy with them the way they are.
and more to the point, will i be usings excalibur's double respec ability to try out light spec too? no, there's no point, although i'm curious as to what it'd be like to be full light spec too, i already have a good idea about that, basically i know what light does, and i REALLY know what void does (or doesnt, depends on how synical you are
) and have seen mana in action many times, so i already know what to spec, no need for me to test the other ways, basically research should be enough, of course mana may also be nerfed to uselessness, in which case i want a class respec please, because if that happens then ALL eldritches will be worthless.
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Nice thread, lots of answers...
The plan for now will stay unchanged:
We will use the Excalibur database for the tests on Gorre. Remember that Gorre is a server to test the coming versions and the admins have enough things to take care of without adding some server rotation calendar to it.
We are checking with Mythic about the /charcopy system. If it's doable and doesn't take too much ressources then we willl use it, however, I would not wait on it.
The plan for now will stay unchanged:
We will use the Excalibur database for the tests on Gorre. Remember that Gorre is a server to test the coming versions and the admins have enough things to take care of without adding some server rotation calendar to it.
We are checking with Mythic about the /charcopy system. If it's doable and doesn't take too much ressources then we willl use it, however, I would not wait on it.
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old.Atrox
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Kemor
( hope you read this thread again )
Whats the purpose of running Gorre after the patch gone live ?
surely all the testing needed for the patch should be done by then, so why not let the "secondary" servers get afew days instead of the servers who had it pre patch ?
cant be that hard really ? can it ?
And as ppl said "it's a test Server not a spec test server"
you must be really dumb if you think that more then 10% of those who play on gorre does it for testing only, ppl use it for new dye combos etc, and for spec testing in this patch.
and it does give you an advantage over the other servers, no we will never fight against eachothers with those chars, but somethings must be tested, communism looks great on the paper but does it work IRL ? ( I know bad example but u get the point ) somethings doesnt fit your playstyle, so some ppl will get selfgimped becuz they didnt get a try on gorre.
( hope you read this thread again )
Whats the purpose of running Gorre after the patch gone live ?
surely all the testing needed for the patch should be done by then, so why not let the "secondary" servers get afew days instead of the servers who had it pre patch ?
cant be that hard really ? can it ?
And as ppl said "it's a test Server not a spec test server"
you must be really dumb if you think that more then 10% of those who play on gorre does it for testing only, ppl use it for new dye combos etc, and for spec testing in this patch.
and it does give you an advantage over the other servers, no we will never fight against eachothers with those chars, but somethings must be tested, communism looks great on the paper but does it work IRL ? ( I know bad example but u get the point ) somethings doesnt fit your playstyle, so some ppl will get selfgimped becuz they didnt get a try on gorre.
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I would love for this to happen and will wait for this... I will respec my scout on the live server after (if) I get a chance to test the spec on a test server.
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BUUUUUUUUUUUMP
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The best and fairest way to do this would be to either have no players access Gorre and let GOA testers do all testing themselves behind closed dooes or just have the speacial trainers as some people have mentioned. It's been said and I'll take the side of those that say this isn't a server just to test how uber you can get in rvr to do maximum damage, it's there to see if the patch works ok and has as few bugs as possible.
Neither excalibur or prydwen or any other servers should be able to test different specs on Gorre as this pretty much defeats the object of it being an rpg.
Let us create chars without level 50 gear and see how different moves and combos work maybe, but now see if you do x amount more damage and can kill x amount quicker with your new and improved uber spec.
I'm thinking of respeccing to a light mentalist, it may be a bad move overall but that's just a risk of respeccing, if I don't like it then it's my own fault respeccing from a build that I don't actually think is gimped anyway... but I also think that excalibur players should NOT get their player database copied over as yes this does give them an advantage.
One person said about "what advantage blablabla, we're never going to fight each other anyway blablabla".. well the advantage is if you respec to something you don't like and stop playing the game as a result, excalibur is getting preferential treatment here even though all other servers pay the same as they do so should get treated equally.
I took part in an event in thiranki on gorre not so long ago which was totally ridiculous as all the excalibur level 24 chars were running round with epic armour and level 50 weapons and items, so in fact, yes, we do fight each other sometimes and the excalibur database on that occasion made the event crap for the prydwen players who got little help from excalibur players.
Just my $20 worth
pa. if you couldn't be bothered to read all that my opinion was just to not have any database copied to gorre but to have char generators or even have no access from those who aren't GOA employees/Eyes & Ears team.
Neither excalibur or prydwen or any other servers should be able to test different specs on Gorre as this pretty much defeats the object of it being an rpg.
Let us create chars without level 50 gear and see how different moves and combos work maybe, but now see if you do x amount more damage and can kill x amount quicker with your new and improved uber spec.
I'm thinking of respeccing to a light mentalist, it may be a bad move overall but that's just a risk of respeccing, if I don't like it then it's my own fault respeccing from a build that I don't actually think is gimped anyway... but I also think that excalibur players should NOT get their player database copied over as yes this does give them an advantage.
One person said about "what advantage blablabla, we're never going to fight each other anyway blablabla".. well the advantage is if you respec to something you don't like and stop playing the game as a result, excalibur is getting preferential treatment here even though all other servers pay the same as they do so should get treated equally.
I took part in an event in thiranki on gorre not so long ago which was totally ridiculous as all the excalibur level 24 chars were running round with epic armour and level 50 weapons and items, so in fact, yes, we do fight each other sometimes and the excalibur database on that occasion made the event crap for the prydwen players who got little help from excalibur players.
Just my $20 worth
pa. if you couldn't be bothered to read all that my opinion was just to not have any database copied to gorre but to have char generators or even have no access from those who aren't GOA employees/Eyes & Ears team.