Politics :- Scathing stuff

[TdC]

ahem. moving on...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Let me guess you probably Pm'd him saying blah blah blah, what have I done?, tell me so I can change......

It's almost as bad as your 12 year old response to EZ saynig she had you on ignore.

Well i'm not getting into this, luckily you're acting so adult here.

 

[Ch3tan]

Toht, I read your posts, against my better judgement. It was a joke, and a mild poke. Get over it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Toht, I read your posts, against my better judgement. It was a joke, and a mild poke. Get over it.

I'm just following what was agreed on, nothing to get over and let's leave it at that.

Now hitler then...

I think there's a need for a worldwide look on politics, democracy worked, but it seems to be falling apart, especially lately.

It no longer seems like the people elected are the "voice of the people" and it's more about "Our party, we me!".

I think if they cut the pay of politicians to that of a common nurse, we'd get a lot more people in power who want whats best for the people, not for the wallet.

 

[Calaen]

I think it's beautiful that you have to have agreements with members on a public forum about what you can and can't say.

OT just got a little bit more gay.

 

[Bugz]

I think there's a need for a worldwide look on politics, democracy worked, but it seems to be falling apart, especially lately.

Can you name me more than a handful of countries which have had good economic development under autocracy?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Can you name me more than a handful of countries which have had good economic development under autocracy?

Wasn't talking about autocracy.

 

[Aoami]

I blame the media. What a bunch of *****.

n.b - i don't know what i'm blaming them for, i just think they deserve blaming.

 

[Bugz]

Wasn't talking about autocracy.

So what's your viable alternative to democracy?

Communism?

 

[old.Tohtori]

So what's your viable alternative to democracy?

Communism?

I posted it already, it's not about changing the whole thing, change parts; drop the pay of politicians to a lower level and get people who care about the people and not the pay into power.

 

[Aoami]

Politicians in this country get paid fuck all.

 

[kiliarien]

I posted it already, it's not about changing the whole thing, change parts; drop the pay of politicians to a lower level and get people who care about the people and not the pay into power.

Nice sentiments, but it doesn't work on many levels, as well as what Aoami said - they actually get paid fuck all in comparison with many jobs in the private sector (£64,766). The benefits came in expenses, whoch ofc over here has been a recent debacle too.

You are suggesting drop those who get paid and get people who 'care' - this seems incredibly naive. The professions that some might say are based on caring - teachers, doctors, nurses, social services (and many others, I'm not saying other civil servants don't care!) are constantly bombarded and harassed for (relatively) fuck all pay. You won't get people doing such a precarious job as being in government just because they 'care'.

I'd be interested in any ideas you had to improve democracy though, as you're right that some of it just doesn't seem to work properly.

 

[Dahakon]

I think it would help a lot (in England anyway) if the ministers in charge of important areas like education, the health survice etc and made policies about them actually had a clue what it was like being a teacher/nurse etc. At the moment you get people who only studied law or economics telling life long teachers how to teach etc which is just ridiculous.

As for Farage's comments, just what sort of image does this give Britain for the rest of Europe? that we are all Europe hating rude twats, so maybe we shouldn't go on holiday there maybe?

Also anyone who says "I don't want to be rude" and think that excuses them launching irrelevant personal attacks against someone is a complete twat, but then that sums up all of UKIP really.

 

[Golena]

I do wonder how many people on this thread have called someone a complete wanker because he expressed his views about someone else in public.

Pot/Kettle anyone?

I'm firmly of the belief that democracy is fundementally flawed anyway, since the majority of people (i.e. the ones that have the power in a democracy) are far far to stupid to run their own bodies, never mind a country! What you really want is a none power hungry none crazy dictator, unfortunately the people who get themselves to the position of dictator tend to have at least one of the former qualities

 

[Bugz]

Answer me this, if democracy was fundamentally flawed and autocracy (as it's opposite) presumably isn't, how comes democracy's have the most positive cumulative growth in the world?

 

[kiliarien]

I think it would help a lot (in England anyway) if the ministers in charge of important areas like education, the health survice etc and made policies about them actually had a clue what it was like being a teacher/nurse etc. At the moment you get people who only studied law or economics telling life long teachers how to teach etc which is just ridiculous.

As for Farage's comments, just what sort of image does this give Britain for the rest of Europe? that we are all Europe hating rude twats, so maybe we shouldn't go on holiday there maybe?

Also anyone who says "I don't want to be rude" and think that excuses them launching irrelevant personal attacks against someone is a complete twat, but then that sums up all of UKIP really.

I agree - but then policy makers never have a clue on such professions such as teaching etc.

Farage just resorts to personal attacks, but I have to agree that the EU commision is fucking borked, there are some right shady characters on it and they can do as they choose. UKIP are nutbags and unrealistic, but I see no problem with slagging off the EU political system when there are flaws - the 'President' really is a bloke nobody knows or cares about. Clearly a political puppet that every major EU government hopes they can bully.

Answer me this, if democracy was fundamentally flawed and autocracy (as it's opposite) presumably isn't, how comes democracy's have the most positive cumulative growth in the world?

You assume too much. Just because autonomy is the opposite of democracy doesn't mean anyone has suggested democracy = flawed and autocracy = flawless. You know that's far too simple.

That said - what would you choose? One where you have much more choice in your life what you want to do or being told what you do? I suspect where I can see your 'cumulative growth' idea is based.

 

[Bugz]

That said - what would you choose? One where you have much more choice in your life what you want to do or being told what you do? I suspect where I can see your 'cumulative growth' idea is based.

I guess it would depend on how China pans out in the next so many years.

 

[kiliarien]

I guess it would depend on how China pans out in the next so many years.

I reckon their Communist government and free trade economy must come to blows sooner or later - maybe Singapore is the microcosmic example to study until China's situation develops.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You are suggesting drop those who get paid and get people who 'care' - this seems incredibly naive. The professions that some might say are based on caring - teachers, doctors, nurses, social services (and many others, I'm not saying other civil servants don't care!) are constantly bombarded and harassed for (relatively) fuck all pay. You won't get people doing such a precarious job as being in government just because they 'care'.

65k/year is not "F*ck all" for starters. Drop it to half of that.

Also it's not naive, you don't go into teaching, nursing or policing(examples) for the pay, you go there because you want to do it.

I'm not saying all politicians are there for the pay, but it would weed out some. You would have to want to do the job.

Other democracy ideas will have to wait for a soberer day.

Answer me this, if democracy was fundamentally flawed and autocracy (as it's opposite) presumably isn't, how comes democracy's have the most positive cumulative growth in the world?

No one presumes that and no one is suggesting autocracy. Too limited view.

 

[Bugz]

But autocracy is such an easy one for me to murder

 

[kiliarien]

65k/year is not "F*ck all" for starters. Drop it to half of that.

Also it's not naive, you don't go into teaching, nursing or policing(examples) for the pay, you go there because you want to do it.

I'm not saying all politicians are there for the pay, but it would weed out some. You would have to want to do the job.

Other democracy ideas will have to wait for a soberer day.

No one presumes that and no one is suggesting autocracy. Too limited view.

Read the first part of the sentence - compared to likewise jobs in the private sector it is fuck all. I don't know you but I would love to be on that sort of money, but we're not - so please don't take it out of the context it was meant.

I agree it would weed out some - but then who would do the job for a lot less money? Very few I suspect. Many people do their jobs because they want to, but extra income is most definitely an added incentive in a career that must have a lot of negative feelings surrounding it, and very few people telling you you're doing a good job. I am not defending MP's etc per se, but I don't think dropping their pay and getting people who are 'in it for others' would get a better quality representative for the people.

 

[Imgormiel]

Just for the record. This is a small diagram of how our political system works when an MP is in power and what system it will ultimately use in protocol. I will bet everyone one of that when you go to the polling station this is the very last think you would think of when voting. Makes me think twice about the word democracy tbh.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Read the first part of the sentence - compared to likewise jobs in the private sector it is fuck all. I don't know you but I would love to be on that sort of money, but we're not - so please don't take it out of the context it was meant.

I agree it would weed out some - but then who would do the job for a lot less money? Very few I suspect. Many people do their jobs because they want to, but extra income is most definitely an added incentive in a career that must have a lot of negative feelings surrounding it, and very few people telling you you're doing a good job. I am not defending MP's etc per se, but I don't think dropping their pay and getting people who are 'in it for others' would get a better quality representative for the people.

I wasn't taking anything out of context, atleast didn't mean to. SImply define and answer.

We have to disagree on the matter then, 'cause i feel we would get better representation.