Politican refuses to sit with 'a different type of people' in standard-class

[Bugz]

BBC News - MP's anger at expenses 'ban' on first-class travel

What a tool.

Politicians suck.

This is the worse fuckin line:

"I'm sorry, the public are wrong. It's for Parliament to decide not the public." Democracy is seeping away at our very fingertips to be honest.

 

[Jimmy]

BBC News - MP's anger at expenses 'ban' on first-class travel

What a tool.
.

I don't think what a tool is strong enough comment tbh i would go with what an utter cock

 

[rynnor]

Lol - I guess he thinks he can say what he like till he retires with a fat pension courtesy of the taxpayer...

 

[Calaen]

I think he is right.

You can't work in standard class, fucking drunks falling asleep on you, kids running around, scummers bumming around. If you are expected to work while on the train going first class is something that that should be covered.


Also the line you quoted is massively out of context on its own.

 

[Bugz]

Firstly Calean, we are in a recession. Why should an MP get the privilege of first class seating out of tax payers money when thousands of people are losing their jobs?

Secondly, you massively massively over exaggerate the state of the train networks. I have got a train 2 times a day for 7-8 years straight; each journey 25-30 mins. In that time, I've witnessed a handful of drunk people (just get up and move - it's what I did), a handful of fights & a bit more than a handful of parents who can't control their kids. In most cases, if you sit on the standard class seats right next to the first class carriage/section, you avoid most of it and it's just as quiet as first class.

A lot of trains have quiet zones for working/reading/relaxing -> same price as standard tickets.

Distractions occur. It's part of life. Buy some headphones and listen to some music to drown out the noise. Or just learn to ignore the noise.

Do you also think it's acceptable that MP's can claim first class seating for families too? Fuckin outrage.

 

[taB]

They're supposed to be running the country. Who gives a fuck if they sit in first class. Being an elected representative should have some perks. Goddamn communists thinking everyone's equal.

 

[Bugz]

Can I ask for all teachers to receive first class travel to and from school? I'm sure Rynnor would appreciate that considering the work load they get.

Afterall, they are educating the next generation of people to run the country.

 

[Chilly]

He dosnt make his argument very well, but I approve of MPs getting first class travel. It means they can sort out paperwork and that during their travel time and we get more work out of them per day. For a few extra quid, who cares? Its the mortgage thives that we need to worry about, not fucking train tickets.

FFS he's right. the british public, led by a fanatical tabloid media, are being totally unreasonable. These are senior, experienced people with a difficult job. Give them a break. Sure, sack the ***** who nick money but dont take the piss just to get even.

 

[Chilly]

Can I ask for all teachers to receive first class travel to and from school? I'm sure Rynnor would appreciate that considering the work load they get.

Afterall, they are educating the next generation of people to run the country.

Teachers dont travel the length of the country to get to work.

 

[taB]

Can I ask for all teachers to receive first class travel to and from school? I'm sure Rynnor would appreciate that considering the work load they get.

Afterall, they are educating the next generation of people to run the country.

What does that have to do with the price of macadamia nuts?

 

[megadave]

Sounds like he worded it wrong and the media twisted his words to make a big story out of it.

He wants to do work on the train, he can't do it in standard class. Yes he's probably a tit but he's not wrong.

 

[Dukat]

Sounds like he worded it wrong and the media twisted his words to make a big story out of it.

He wants to do work on the train, he can't do it in standard class. Yes he's probably a tit but he's not wrong.

What he said.

I'd be the first person to stand up and rage at someone being all uptight and pompous, but this guy's just having his badly worded but valid argument twisted out of all proportion by some streetwise DJ with the gift of the gab.

I hate it when reporters and the media in general take things like this and run with them - its like that bloke in monty python's the holy grail: "Help, help! I'm being repressed!"

I for one agree that it's hard, if not sometimes nigh-on impossible to get any meaningful work done on some of the commuter trains out of London.

 

[mr.Blacky]

whether he is right or wrong, about "totally different type of people" in standard-class train carriages, doesn't really matter to me.
What I am wondering about is how he would know?
According to the article it is just a proposal at the moment and he has been in office since 1971. I would assume that claiming first class tickets is not something new. So I would rather ask him if he has ever been in a standard-class seat since '71?

 

[Tom]

I would very much like to know the salary of that radio presenter, since he's paid by the BBC and is therefore a public servant he shouldn't have a problem revealing it.

 

[rynnor]

Can I ask for all teachers to receive first class travel to and from school? I'm sure Rynnor would appreciate that considering the work load they get.

Afterall, they are educating the next generation of people to run the country.

I would rather scrap first class and improve the system overall - it all seems a little 19th century to have different 'classes' on the suburban railways

 

[pcg79]

whether he is right or wrong, about "totally different type of people" in standard-class train carriages, doesn't really matter to me.
What I am wondering about is how he would know?
According to the article it is just a proposal at the moment and he has been in office since 1971. I would assume that claiming first class tickets is not something new. So I would rather ask him if he has ever been in a standard-class seat since '71?

if he could answer this question then surely that would de-vilify him - it would imply that he doesnt take the piss and claim 1st class when not working.

i would agree with him actually though, working is much easier in first - biggger tables, more space, fewer people + children. its important if they genuinely are travelling a lot and need to make use of travel time to work.

 

[Calaen]

Firstly Calean, we are in a recession. Why should an MP get the privilege of first class seating out of tax payers money when thousands of people are losing their jobs?

Secondly, you massively massively over exaggerate the state of the train networks. I have got a train 2 times a day for 7-8 years straight; each journey 25-30 mins. In that time, I've witnessed a handful of drunk people (just get up and move - it's what I did), a handful of fights & a bit more than a handful of parents who can't control their kids. In most cases, if you sit on the standard class seats right next to the first class carriage/section, you avoid most of it and it's just as quiet as first class.

A lot of trains have quiet zones for working/reading/relaxing -> same price as standard tickets.

Distractions occur. It's part of life. Buy some headphones and listen to some music to drown out the noise. Or just learn to ignore the noise.

Do you also think it's acceptable that MP's can claim first class seating for families too? Fuckin outrage.

What so because we are in a recession no one should have any beneifts for the job they do? We put the country in the hands of the politicians them claiming first class travel is the least of my worries.

They need to cut out on the second home/mortgage scammers. This guys has done nothing wrong and his words are just being twisted.

Not everyone can listen to music when working.

 

[Ch3tan]

This is such a daily mail story, surprised you fell for the bait on it Bugz. Hell your first post could be a daily fail story. Maybe send them a CV? ;p

It's pretty hard to work in standard class on most trains, and nearly impossible to get a seat at peak times, so he has a valid point.

 

[Trem]

If its true and really causes such a hardship then he is more than welcome to pay for first class out of his own pocket....which is still our pocket but it means he has less to spend on rent boys and curtains.

Either way I am pretty sure I couldn't care less about anything the BBC passes as true nowadays.

 

[Bugz]

So many on this forum are quick to condemn politicans not doing their jobs; causing the economy to go into recession; not giving a hoot about the normal everyday bloke.

But you condone the use of first class seats which in many classes are not required (for reasons I said - which a lot of people have just brushed aside) because they "run" the country (they run the government - the country runs itself in many respects with the government acting as the stabiliser).

The sheer irony of it baffles me.

 

[Ch3tan]

bugz, trains into and out of major cities are usually very busy. If people want to work o the train, you generally find them in first class. Business's pay for their employees to have this luxury so they can be more productive, it's the same reason business class exists on flights. If they were in another field this would not be up for debate, but because they are working for us it suddenly is? This is a cost which is justified IMO, unlike a lot of the ridiculous claims that came out of the expenses scandal.

There is no irony, you seem to have just eaten the tabloid view of this all, and not thought about it properly.

 

[Bugz]

National Rail, First Great Western, C2C, Virgin & I suspect several more ALL operate 'quiet coaches' at standard ticket price.

You want silence? Sit in the fuckin quiet coach. You want more leg room? Pay for it out of your own fuckin money.

 

[Ch3tan]

So a public official should spend their own cash so that they can do work while travelling? Or maybe they should not do the work, save some cash on travel, and just work for longer when they get where they are going?

I like your thinking, push people that may consider politics to better their community into another field that treats them as an assest, not a mug.

 

[Tom]

(to Bugz) So what you're saying is, while he's travelling on business, he should not be working.

Instead, you'd rather have an MP sitting on a train doing nothing, and being paid for it, than sitting on the same train in a more expensive seat actually doing some work.

Ok.

 

[Bugz]

I'm not arguing with people who take everything I say out of context.

Where in God's green earth did I say MP's should not work on the trains? Please quote me that first and then we'll continue the discussion.

 

[Ch3tan]

Bugz, if you think you can work on a London train, or a train going into or out of London (you know where Parliment is), and work in the cheap seats, you are delusional.

 

[taB]

I'm not arguing with people who take everything I say out of context.

Where in God's green earth did I say MP's should not work on the trains? Please quote me that first and then we'll continue the discussion.

You're talking shit. In my opinion it is fine for MPs to travel first class. That is the premise of this thread is it not?

 

[Bugz]

Bugz, if you think you can work on a London train, or a train going into or out of London (you know where Parliment is), and work in the cheap seats, you are delusional.

Virgin from Euston runs a quiet zone which is perfect for working. I should know - I've used it and worked on some economics in it (and yes people thought I was a saddo).

The S.E Service to Ramsgate is a bit different as they have yet to put in a quiet zone. But that train's first class is RIGHT NEXT TO the standard class so noise will travel. Sit one metre away from first class; get less leg room; pay half the price.

Two examples.

P.S - still waiting for that quote!

 

[Ch3tan]

You aren't going to get it Bugz, you have turned into Toht Jr.

My point is that it is much harder to work in stadnard seating than in first class. And if it's at peak times, it is near impossible. You never said they should not work, but you expect them to pay more if they need to work? Read what I have said. Your ideal world of a quiet zone on every train, or seats and an available table does not exist. Paying for first class does guarantee it.

 

[Bugz]

You are taking my stuff out of context continuously and its pissing me off.

You can't quote what I've asked you to quote and you are putting words into my mouth.

I cba with all that so I'm out.