Plz help me decide betwen this NS templates (think they are ok)

[Twin]

Lo im new making NS templates, so after study some around in webs, i got 3 templates that think that cover more or less what a ns need, (stats, resists, etc), thing is im not sure if i left any important hole there, so plz give me your comments, and if anything need a really fix say me

Btw just posting stats (dont want to make here a neverending post with 3 templates), if anyone want me to post the items of 1 of them or them 3 i will do in another post.

TEMPLATES;



* Template1;
- Pros;
. str and dex capped (missing 2 dex tho).
. nice resists all around (just weaking energy and matter).
. 40 AF bonus.
- Con;
.Could have better melee %.
.Could have more hits (just 75 con 200 hits this one).
.Only 3 celtic dual.


Config Report

Stats

Str: 100 Int: 0 Hits: 204
Con: 75 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 98 Cha: 0
Qui: 53 Emp: 0

Resists

Body: 27 Energy: 9 (5) Crush: 29 (5)
Cold: 24 Matter: 12 Thrust: 26
Heat: 26 Spirit: 20 Slash: 26

Skills

11 Stealth

11 Critical Strike

11 Piercing

3 Celtic Dual

Focus

Cap Increases

25 Dex

7 Qui

25 Str

Other Bonuses

4 Fatigue

4 Melee Damage Bonus

40 AF Bonus

7 Melee Speed Bonus

4 Style Damage Bonus








* Template2;
- Pros;
. 90 more hits that template1.
. not bad resists in the important ones.
. cap all melee skills CD included and give 4 envenom too.
. Better melee % bonus.
- Con;
.Just got 23% str and 18% dex caps.
.Cold, energy, matter, spirit resists are low (with energy and matter maybe too low? or not?).
.Only 20 af bonus.


Config Report

Stats

Str: 99 Int: 0 Hits: 240
Con: 86 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 105 Cha: 0
Qui: 56 Emp: 0

Resists

Body: 26 Energy: 5 (5) Crush: 33 (5)
Cold: 17 Matter: 0 Thrust: 27
Heat: 26 Spirit: 16 Slash: 26

Skills

11 Celtic Dual

11 Stealth

11 Critical Strike

11 Piercing

4 Envenom

Focus

Cap Increases

18 Dex

7 Qui

40 Hits

23 Str

10 Con

Other Bonuses

20 AF Bonus

4 Melee Damage Bonus

4 Fatigue

13 Melee Speed Bonus

8 Style Damage Bonus






* Template3 (this one is a mix betwen them 2 templates);
- Pros;
. 90 more hits that template1 (same as 2nd one).
. not bad resists in the important ones (and not totally bad in weak ones).
. Give just 3cd, and none envenom, but cap all other melee skills.
. same melee bonus that 2nd template (better that 1st one).
. 30 af bonus better that 2nd but worst that 1st one.
- Con;
.Just got 19% str and 18% dex caps (worst ones of them 3 templates).




Config Report

Stats

Str: 95 Int: 0 Hits: 244
Con: 87 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 93 Cha: 0
Qui: 59 Emp: 0

Resists

Body: 27 Energy: 7 (5) Crush: 31 (5)
Cold: 22 Matter: 12 Thrust: 26
Heat: 27 Spirit: 10 Slash: 27

Skills

11 Stealth

11 Critical Strike

11 Piercing

3 Celtic Dual

Focus

Cap Increases

18 Dex

7 Qui

40 Hits

19 Str

10 Con

Other Bonuses

30 AF Bonus

4 Melee Damage Bonus

4 Fatigue

11 Melee Speed Bonus

8 Style Damage Bonus





Im resumen;
* 1st template is cool all around about str and dex cap, resists, af, etc but miss maybe some more melee bonus, and some more hits.
* 2nd template have not bad caps, and resists but maybe some resists are too low the same as the af (just 20),but then has 90 more hits that 1st template, and the better skills (with even 11cd and 4 envenom).
* 3r template is a mix of them 2, about str and dex cap is the worst of them 3, the resists arent so good as 1st one but then the weak ones arent so low as 2nd one, have same hits and melee bonus that second one, af bonus is betwen 1st and 2nd template, and about skills have same as 1st one.





Well plz help me decide , and if see any great hole in them templates say me.

If think i could try and make any other good template around, leave the link for it too

Overall would you run with any of this templates?



Well ta in advance for your help




Laterrrr

 

[Ivynoxia]

Swapping in two items for applying poisons is annoying.. its what I have at the moment but you do get used to it. Just thought I'll share that.

As for the templates themselves, well, they are kinda bad, to be completely honest with you.. I have made templates that caps both str / dex and has +10% melee/style, with better resists, AF, skills and hits, :/ sorry to be harsh.

I have a couple of good high damage ones you can take a look at if you like. It seems to be what you're interested in most. Doesn't use any uber hard to get items either (levi/kraken)

Actually I think temp 2 looks the best out of the three.. esp with the 3 envenom.

 

[Twin]

"As for the templates themselves, well, they are kinda bad, to be completely honest with you.. I have made templates that caps both str / dex and has +10% melee/style, with better resists, AF, skills and hits, :/ sorry to be harsh."

Of course you not being harsh, that is what im looking for (im looking for help) so plz let me know links where i can find templates like that, becuase tbh after been checking websites for HOURS i really cant find that, for example in vnboards i been checking like 20 full pages, and none of them templates are near what you saying, and them best are similars to the ones i posted here. So plz if you can share with me that templates or give me links would be totally cool becuase as i said i have spend hours and hours checking out templates this past days and im a bit pissed now


Btw im looking for PIERCE templates, as blades i can find similar templates to the ones you saying but with pierce is complete impossible for me.



Ta a lot for your help in advance, waiting for your responce/links.



Laterrr

 

[Neffneff]

I would try to help you, though you dont specify what weapons you are using/want to use at all?

although for almost any weapon combo i wouldnt be happy with the templates above much, even as a pierce shade i like to have at least +280 hits.

though if i had to pick one i think i'd go with no. 2.

post what weapon combos you want to use and ill offer advice from there.

 

[Ivynoxia]

Templates and Tips

Ah alright, thought you made them, sometimes when I post a template up I don't like it too much when someone just says "nah sucks. remake." I was just being consolatory ie.

Well anyway, so here's what I made earlier, two flavours!

Template 1 - Max damage

I made this one as a quick test to see how much it hurts your template to go for high damage whilst being Pierce, but it turned out rather well, yet I've no doubt it can be tweaked a little to bring CD up a bit and squeeze in a little bit more dmg.

Note: uses energy wep (to deal extra punishment to those with weak resists and get the last 2% toa dmgs) oh and it's like +10% to all visibles targets' armor types, has a proc that debuffs 35% energy resists. Basically it's fecking awesome damage.

config (inside spoiler tags to save space)

Spoiler

Stats
Str: 100
Con: 74
Dex: 97
Qui: 53
Hits: 232

Resists
Body: 18 Energy: 16 Crush: 25
Cold: 5 Matter: 11 Thrust: 26
Heat: 26 Spirit: 22 Slash: 26

Skills
11 Piercing
11 Critical Strike
11 Stealth
4 Celtic Dual
3 Envenom

Toa Bonuses
10 Melee Damage
10 Style Damage
30 AF
9 Fatigue
9 Melee Combat Speed

Cap Increases
25 Strength
23 Dexterity
40 Hits

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Guard of Valor [Nerfed]
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: 102 Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 18 Strength
Effect 3: 4 Melee Damage
Effect 4: 4 Style Damage
Effect 5: 15 Dexterity
Effect 6: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 7: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 32.00

Arms
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 6 Critical Strike - 99 Polished Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 5 Thrust - 99 Flawed Airy Shielding
Gem 3: 7 Slash - 99 Imperfect Watery Shielding
Gem 4: 3 Heat - 99 Rough Heated Shielding
Utility: 60.00

Head
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 76 Hits - 99 Perfect Blood Essence
Gem 2: 5 Heat - 99 Flawed Heated Shielding
Gem 3: 25 Constitution - 99 Flawless Earthen Essence
Gem 4: 7 Body - 99 Imperfect Dusty Shielding
Utility: 59.67

Legs
Name: Gloomwalker Leggings
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: 102 Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 15 Strength
Effect 2: 15 Dexterity
Effect 3: 7 Thrust
Effect 4: 3 Piercing
Effect 5: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 7: 130 Unique Effect...
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 49.00

Hands
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 2 Stealth - 99 Uncut Airy Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 19 Dexterity - 99 Faceted Vapor Essence
Gem 3: 25 Constitution - 99 Flawless Earthen Essence
Gem 4: 5 Critical Strike - 99 Imperfect Heated Battle Jewel
Utility: 64.33

Feet
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 3 Envenom - 99 Rough Dusty Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 22 Quickness - 99 Precious Airy Essence
Gem 3: 7 Heat - 99 Imperfect Heated Shielding
Gem 4: 76 Hits - 99 Perfect Blood Essence
Utility: 62.67

Right Hand
Name: Sun Sword [Nerfed]
Level: 51 Quality: 100
DPS: 16.5 Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 6 Piercing
Effect 2: 27 Strength
Effect 3: 2 Melee Damage
Effect 4: 2 Style Damage
Effect 5: 2 Melee Combat Speed
Utility: 48.00

Left Hand
Name: Dochar Nightshade Steel
Level: 51 Quality: 00
DPS: 16.5 Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 4 Celtic Dual
Effect 2: 7 Strength
Effect 3: 9 Dexterity
Effect 4: 4 Melee Damage
Effect 5: 4 Style Damage
Effect 6: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 7: 6 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 30.67

Neck
Name: Charred Pentaglyph
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 6 Energy
Effect 2: 6 Body
Effect 3: 6 Spirit
Effect 4: 6 Matter
Effect 5: 6 Heat
Effect 6: 10 AF
Utility: 60.00

Cloak
Name: Shades of Mists
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Bonus:
Effect 1: 3 Stealth
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 4 Fatigue
Effect 5: 10 AF
Effect 6: 5 Melee Combat Speed
Utility: 35.00

Jewel
Name: Eerie Darkness Stone (1.81)
Level: 50 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 5 Heat
Effect 2: 5 Matter
Effect 3: 4 Crush
Effect 4: 5 Cold
Effect 5: 5 Body
Effect 6: 4 Slash
Effect 7: 5 Energy
Effect 8: 5 Spirit
Effect 9: 4 Thrust
Utility: 84.00

Belt
Name: Belt of the Sun
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 5 Fatigue
Effect 2: 10 Strength
Effect 3: 10 Dexterity
Effect 4: 5 Energy
Effect 5: 5 Spirit
Effect 6: 5 Crush
Effect 7: 40 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 43.33

Right Ring
Name: Ring of the Heavens
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Spirit
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 24 Constitution
Effect 4: 10 Strength Cap Increase
Utility: 38.00

Left Ring
Name: Ring of Dances (1.81)
Level: 50 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 3 Stealth
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Dexterity
Effect 4: 5 Crush
Effect 5: 5 Slash
Effect 6: 10 AF
Utility: 55.00

Right Wrist
Name: Cyclone Bracer
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 11 Crush
Effect 2: 10 Slash
Effect 3: 10 Thrust
Effect 4: 2 Melee Combat Speed
Utility: 62.00

Left Wrist
Name: Blackened Bracer
Level: 50 Quality: 99
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 2 Piercing
Effect 2: 3 Stealth
Effect 3: 16 Quickness
Effect 4: 16 Dexterity
Effect 5: 7 Quickness Cap Increase
Effect 6: 7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 46.33

As with most damage orientated pierce templates, you need to push both str and dex up for your damage increase, a lot of utility and imbue points were used up in that last template that could otherwise have gone into raising HP and other goodies.

Template 2 - Max hits

The opposite end of the scale is where you raise your cap on con and hits to the max. This one I spent ages on and is on my other thread where I asked ppl if it was actually possible at all to have a pierce template with 400 hits and 25 con overcap without major weaknesses appearing (ie. maintaining decent AF, resists % and +skills) Yeah after hours and hours the answer was yes, in the end it was suprisingly simple too.

config

Spoiler

Stats
Str: 85
Con: 103
Dex: 79
Qui: 43
Hits: 396

Resists
Body: 15 Energy: 8 Crush: 26
Cold: 17 Matter: 11 Thrust: 26
Heat: 26 Spirit: 19 Slash: 26

Skills
11 Piercing
11 Critical Strike
11 Stealth
4 Celtic Dual
3 Envenom

Cap Increases
10 Strength
11 Dexterity
25 Constitution
200 Hits

Other Bonuses
8 Melee Damage
10 Style Damage
10 Melee Combat Speed
26 AF
4 Fatigue

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Guard of Valor [Nerfed]
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: 102 Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 18 Strength
Effect 3: 4 Melee Damage
Effect 4: 4 Style Damage
Effect 5: 15 Dexterity
Effect 6: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 7: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 32.00

Arms
Name: Tempered Lightning Etched Leather Sleeves
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 4 Critical Strike
Effect 2: 18 Strength
Effect 3: 48 Hits
Effect 4: 2 Melee Combat Speed
Effect 5: 72 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 44.00

Head
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 4 Critical Strike - 99 Flawed Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 3 Piercing - 99 Rough Dusty War Spell Stone
Gem 3: 25 Constitution - 99 Flawless Earthen Essence
Gem 4: 60 Hits - 99 Precious Blood Essence
Utility: 66.67

Legs
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 4 Piercing - 99 Flawed Dusty War Spell Stone
Gem 2: 3 Envenom - 99 Rough Dusty Battle Jewel
Gem 3: 7 Heat - 99 Imperfect Heated Shielding
Gem 4: 76 Hits - 99 Perfect Blood Essence
Utility: 68.00

Hands
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 4 Piercing - 99 Flawed Dusty War Spell Stone
Gem 2: 7 Heat - 99 Imperfect Heated Shielding
Gem 3: 28 Quickness - 99 Perfect Airy Essence
Gem 4: 3 Critical Strike - 99 Rough Heated Battle Jewel
Utility: 67.67

Feet
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 28 Dexterity - 99 Perfect Vapor Essence
Gem 2: 7 Heat - 99 Imperfect Heated Shielding
Gem 3: 3 Energy - 99 Rough Light Shielding
Gem 4: 5 Stealth - 99 Imperfect Airy Battle Jewel
Utility: 63.67

Right Hand
Name: Golden Spear
Level: 51 Quality: 100
DPS: 16.5 Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 12 Strength
Effect 2: 12 Dexterity
Effect 3: 7 Crush
Effect 4: 7 Slash
Effect 5: 7 Thrust
Effect 6: 4 Melee Combat Speed
Effect 7: 4 Style Damage
Effect 8: 15 Unique Effect...
Utility: 58.00

Left Hand
Name: Dochar Nightshade Steel
Level: 51 Quality: 00
DPS: 16.5 Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 4 Celtic Dual
Effect 2: 7 Strength
Effect 3: 9 Dexterity
Effect 4: 4 Melee Damage
Effect 5: 4 Style Damage
Effect 6: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 7: 6 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 8: 0 Lifedrain
Effect 9: 10 Unique Effect...
Effect 10: 30 Unique Bonus...
Utility: 30.67

Neck
Name: Paidrean Necklace
Level: 50 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 10 Body
Effect 2: 10 Crush
Effect 3: 10 Spirit
Effect 4: 10 Thrust
Utility: 80.00

Cloak
Name: Shades of Mists
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Bonus:
Effect 1: 3 Stealth
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 4 Fatigue
Effect 5: 10 AF
Effect 6: 5 Melee Combat Speed
Utility: 35.00

Jewel
Name: Eerie Darkness Stone (1.81)
Level: 50 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 5 Heat
Effect 2: 5 Matter
Effect 3: 4 Crush
Effect 4: 5 Cold
Effect 5: 5 Body
Effect 6: 4 Slash
Effect 7: 5 Energy
Effect 8: 5 Spirit
Effect 9: 4 Thrust
Utility: 84.00

Belt
Name: Malevolent Darkspire Tempered Belt
Level: 42 Quality: 100
Bonus: 30
Effect 1: 18 Constitution
Effect 2: 6 Thrust
Effect 3: 6 Matter
Effect 4: 44 Hits
Effect 5: 6 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 6: 6 AF
Effect 7: 80 Unique Effect...
Utility: 47.00

Right Ring
Name: Ring of Moirai
Level: 50 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 24 Constitution
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 4 Spirit
Effect 4: 8 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 5: 64 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 34.00

Left Ring
Name: Ring of Dances (1.81)
Level: 50 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 3 Stealth
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Dexterity
Effect 4: 5 Crush
Effect 5: 5 Slash
Effect 6: 10 AF
Utility: 55.00

Right Wrist
Name: Malevolent Darkspire Tempered Bracer
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 18 Constitution
Effect 2: 6 Slash
Effect 3: 6 Cold
Effect 4: 44 Hits
Effect 5: 6 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 6: 32 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 47.00

Left Wrist
Name: Malevolent Darkspire Tempered Bracer
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 18 Constitution
Effect 2: 6 Slash
Effect 3: 6 Cold
Effect 4: 44 Hits
Effect 5: 6 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 6: 32 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 47.00

Simple as in use 3 tempered prefix items from DS lol! So yes I was happy to be able to keep +8% melee / +10% style, whilst having 400 hits and 100 con. The only thing I didnt like about it, was that it didn't max out AF, seeing as I wanted this to be a max defense template, but at 26AF it isn't too bad.

Might notice that both are not perfect with only +4 to CD and a 10% gap in body resist, CL resists will cap it but still, rather have 36%. It just means you'll get hurt more if you miss remedy.

Some tips for you if you are gonna try making your own shade template.

1. Always include - SoM, +5 melee haste, haste is good etc. plus the ablative wins fights, it's no good having a +400 hits and +25 con template if you dont have SoM in it, you'll still lose to someone with the SoM ablative. I know this from bitter experience
   
2. Don't leave spirit and energy at 0 - at least 11% so when people use a spirit/energy weapon on you, they are not doing more damage than using a heat weapon. (Leather is 15% vulnerable to heat and neutral to Spirit / Energy )
   
3. Make the template mainhand independent. This is nice as it lets you make good tactical decisions, switching from your heaters to your thrust champ wep to fight a chain wearer gives you +20% dmg instantly (their armor is now vulnerable instead of resistant to your dmg type). Yes, you have to over imbue points (and hence waste) in order to not lose stats when you swap, and this is often not doable in pierce templates.
   
   Alternatively, and this is what I do, make the template so it will allow you to swap* one piece of armor in, like a pair of gloves, and let you use the other weapon with correct stats.
   
   *Some people hate swapping anything, I've lived with swapping two pieces for envenom and four (!) pieces for dmg type change for a few months now. It really sucks, but again you get used to it and reapplying poisons is like autopilot for me now.. still, I am looking forward to my new template ... 1 swap will feel like a luxury.
   
4. As for getting close to 10% melee and 10% style
   - Artifact chest piece - GoV, GSV. +4/4
   - Champ weapon +4/4
   - Sun weapon +2/2
   
   but NOT artifact accessories - Mad Scalars +3 / Gem of Lost Memories +2/2
   These suck in terms of loss of utility points (Mad Scalars is only 30 and occupies a slot that usually gives ~65). Similarly with the Gem of Lost Memories, you can get a 84 or 83 utility gem in there, don't shaft yourself badly by gimping your highest util slot.
   
5. Check http://www.ethinarg.com/ for when you're lacking in something you want. Like an +AF item. You might find something you have not considered before.

There is a template 3 and it's a compromise between the two. But I like it too much at the moment to give it to the world, give me time

 

[Twin]

Really apreciate the responces

To Neffneff about what weapon combos i would like, i would prefer a template that had legendary weapons as main, and then as offhand i really dont mind but GS or Champion weapon could be nice.

To Ivynoxia well after read your responce i got amazed , really ta a lot for all the help in there, really got amazed
About the template stats i put in there mostly of them templates are from other webs and then tweaked by me (but as i can see in the responces i having seems i didnt do it very well).
About your templates i like 1st one, i know has low hits but still all other things seems cool.
Surely will have a look at them in the scer program


Again ta a lot for the help in the responces



Laterrr

 

[Neffneff]

Here's a any LW pierce temp, hope it helps you out a bit. just remember that stat overcaps arn't really worth the SC points. its something like 0.2% increased dmg for every 1 attack stat, maybe less. so 10 extra dex AND str stats = about 2%. fit in what you can, but dont gimp yourself doing it.

Config Report

Stats

Str: 84 Int: 0 Hits: 332
Con: 83 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 89 Cha: 0
Qui: 52 Emp: 0

Resists

Body: 21 Energy: 10 Crush: 26
Cold: 17 Matter: 11 Thrust: 24 (3)
Heat: 25 Spirit: 20 (5) Slash: 26 (2)

Skills

11 Stealth
11 Critical Strike
11 Piercing
4 Celtic Dual

Focus

Cap Increases

11 Dex
5 Qui
136 Hits
10 Str
9 Con

Other Bonuses

11 Melee Damage Bonus
8 Melee Speed Bonus
2 Casting Speed Bonus
8 Style Damage Bonus
42 AF Bonus

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Guard of Valor (NS)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 18 Strength
Effect 3: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 4: 15 Dexterity
Effect 5: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: 4 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 4 Style Damage Bonus
Utility: 32.00

Arms
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 5 Stealth - 99 imperfect Airy Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 4 Critical Strike - 99 flawed Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 3: 4 Piercing - 99 flawed Dusty War Spell Stone
Gem 4: 7 Strength - 99 rough Fiery Essence
Utility: 69.67

Head
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 4 Critical Strike - 99 flawed Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 2: 3 Piercing - 99 rough Dusty War Spell Stone
Gem 3: 44 Hits - 99 polished Blood Essence
Gem 4: 28 Constitution - 99 perfect Earthen Essence
Utility: 64.67

Legs
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 4 Piercing - 99 flawed Dusty War Spell Stone
Gem 2: 3 Critical Strike - 99 rough Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 3: 68 Hits - 99 flawless Blood Essence
Gem 4: 22 Quickness - 99 precious Airy Essence
Utility: 66.67

Hands
Name: Mad scalars (tank)
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Constitution
Effect 2: 15 Quickness
Effect 3: 3 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 4: 3 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 5: 5 Quickness Cap Increase
Effect 6: 5 Constitution Cap Increase
Utility: 20.00

Feet
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 9 Heat Resist - 99 polished Heated Shielding
Gem 2: 22 Dexterity - 99 precious Vapor Essence
Gem 3: 9 Slash Resist - 99 polished Watery Shielding
Gem 4: 7 Crush Resist - 99 imperfect Fiery Shielding
Utility: 64.67

Right Hand
Name: any LW
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 28 Dexterity
Effect 4: 10 AF Bonus
Utility: 18.67

Left Hand
Name: champpierceoffhand
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 2: 6 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 3: 7 Strength
Effect 4: 9 Dexterity
Effect 5: 4 Celtic Dual
Effect 6: 4 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 4 Style Damage Bonus
Utility: 30.67

Neck
Name: Paidrean Necky
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 10 Body Resist
Effect 2: 10 Spirit Resist
Effect 3: 10 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 10 Thrust Resist
Utility: 80.00

Cloak
Name: Shades of Mist (strealth)
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 3 Stealth
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 5: 5 Melee Speed Bonus
Utility: 35.00

Jewel
Name: eerie darkness lightning stone1.81
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 5 Heat Resist
Effect 2: 5 Matter Resist
Effect 3: 4 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 5 Cold Resist
Effect 5: 5 Body Resist
Effect 6: 4 Slash Resist
Effect 7: 5 Energy Resist
Effect 8: 5 Spirit Resist
Effect 9: 4 Thrust Resist
Utility: 84.00

Belt
Name: Azura Belt
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 22 Strength
Effect 2: 22 Constitution
Effect 3: 60 Hits
Effect 4: 4 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 5: 48 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 44.33

Right Ring
Name: Grimeil's Ring of the Grotesque
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Cold Resist
Effect 2: 5 Heat Resist
Effect 3: 5 Energy Resist
Effect 4: 40 Hits
Effect 5: 12 AF Bonus
Effect 6: 40 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 42.00

Left Ring
Name: Ring of Dances (1.81)
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 3 Stealth
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Dexterity
Effect 4: 5 Crush Resist
Effect 5: 5 Slash Resist
Effect 6: 10 AF Bonus
Utility: 55.00

Right Wrist
Name: Ebon Bracer
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 6 Cold Resist
Effect 2: 6 Body Resist
Effect 3: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 5: 6 Matter Resist
Utility: 60.00

Left Wrist
Name: Bracer of Heavenly Bodies
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 18 Constitution
Effect 2: 7 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 80 Hits
Effect 4: 2 Casting Speed Bonus
Effect 5: 48 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 46.00

 

[Neffneff]

Right Hand
Name: Sun Sword [Nerfed]
Level: 51 Quality: 100
DPS: 16.5 Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 6 Piercing
Effect 2: 27 Strength
Effect 3: 2 Melee Damage
Effect 4: 2 Style Damage
Effect 5: 2 Melee Combat Speed
Utility: 48.00

Unless im mistaken the pierce Sun sword has +27 Dex, no?

 

[Ivynoxia]

really? shit xD i better check now.

 

[Ivynoxia]

D'oh you're right! it's what i get for using outdated info. Thanks for the correction, actually this makes things a bit easier.

 

[Twin]

Nice template that too Neffneff ffss now come the hard part again, to dedice betwen the templates in here too lol :/

Well suppose at the end will manadge to get at least a decent one

Btw dont known the stat cap gave so little damage :/ if is like 0.2% damage every 1dex+1str overcap means i just can get like 5% more damage with a full +25dex+25str caps true?, if so then seems like capping melee % bonus is the way to go and then try and get the more stats caps without gimping the template true?

Ta again for the help

 

[Ivynoxia]

Yes it's true, tests by, I think Vilna-perc, a SB have shown that overcap of 25 str gave him ~5% extra dmg. So us pierce shades, 25 str And dex for 5%. When you compare that to an item with +4% to both melee and style, you can see that it gives an equal amount of dmg increase if not more, but you did not have to use low util items with bonuses to str / dex caps, nor had to fill up the new caps with str or dex. Thus the most "template friendly" way to gain extra damage for Pierce users is to use items with toa bonuses to melee and style damage.

Applies not just with templates, but in RA choices too for a pierce spec shade MoP has better returns per RA points invested compared to aug str and aug dex, up to a certain point anyway (I think MoP4).

So yeah you've got the core idea now

In template 3, I've pushed up +% melee and style to 10% and then used the imbue points I saved to give myself 23 extra con and 104 extra hits. uses sun wep.

There's just 1 problem with using +% melee and style to max, and that is you dont raise your weaponskill with increases as you would have with +str/dex, but it's hard, or i'm too lazy, to test the effects of +25str/dex vs +10/10%s. So let's just not go there.

 

[Twin]

well time to work out new template then with this new perspective (i were always too worried about str/dex cap, so just will try and get them up but without gimp the rest ), + have some nice templates where to start from with yours


sorry to sound too repetitive but thanks again for all the help i got in this thead, really helped me out