Please NP, cut the zerg

[SilverHood]

The other night:
was running about nicely in out 8 man group til we got hammered by +20 hibs, including 2 fgs of NP

Team up with Bad Omen's 2fg to counter the zerg
Things we're looking shitty, thank god for Warders 2 fg's coming to the rescue.

Who's the cause of the zerg? NP? Don't think so... an even number of equally skilled / balanced players should be able to beat them. Except hibs have the advantage in crowd control - group purge. Even when running with 5 healers in our 3 fg's, 10 of us still ended up mezzed. Oh, and not a single hib was standing still as if mezed (cept some caster that got stunned).

Mythic made the game so hibs have the class advantage to make up for lack of numbers.... in even numbers, hibs will win 9 out of 10 times. Probably because of their many casters, I mean, the average emain RvR group from mid has maybe 2 casters in it..... bet the average hibby one has a lot more, and since trolls are nice and easy to mez......

 

[tildson]

Healer whining about CC? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

 

[Teh Krypt]

Originally posted by SilverHood
The other night:
was running about nicely in out 8 man group til we got hammered by +20 hibs, including 2 fgs of NP

Team up with Bad Omen's 2fg to counter the zerg
Things we're looking shitty, thank god for Warders 2 fg's coming to the rescue.

Who's the cause of the zerg? NP? Don't think so... an even number of equally skilled / balanced players should be able to beat them. Except hibs have the advantage in crowd control - group purge. Even when running with 5 healers in our 3 fg's, 10 of us still ended up mezzed. Oh, and not a single hib was standing still as if mezed (cept some caster that got stunned).

Mythic made the game so hibs have the class advantage to make up for lack of numbers.... in even numbers, hibs will win 9 out of 10 times. Probably because of their many casters, I mean, the average emain RvR group from mid has maybe 2 casters in it..... bet the average hibby one has a lot more, and since trolls are nice and easy to mez......

Tbh albion has more caster groups, afink anyway

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by SilverHood
Mythic made the game so hibs have the class advantage to make up for lack of numbers....

Seems unlikely as I'm sure Hibernia isn't the least populated realm on every server, and Mythic certainly don't give a fuck about us euro servers to base their nerfs/boosts on.

Maybe they should tho as I'm sure us Europeans would give more intelligent feedback than our counterparts across the water.

 

[SilverHood]

I'd go through the list, etc, but the only place where hib classes fall short is assasin and light-tank. That could mean hibernia is most overpowered. Or balanced.
Depending on how you see things, midgard/albion is unbalanced, underpowered. We have to make things up in numbers... if we can't, we die, hence the complaints about zerging.

 

[infozwerg]

The other night:
was running about nicely in out 8 man group til we got hammered by +20 hibs, including 2 fgs of NP

Nolby hasent run in more than 1 fg the last days.

Team up with Bad Omen's 2fg to counter the zerg
Things we're looking shitty, thank god for Warders 2 fg's coming to the rescue.

mids really do it on prydwen, they accomplish the near impossible: they outalb the albs. never seen so much zerging from excalibur albs like prydwen mids do it.

Even when running with 5 healers in our 3 fg's, 10 of us still ended up mezzed. Oh, and not a single hib was standing still as if mezed (cept some caster that got stunned).

Even when running with just two healers in 2 fg, i manage to mezz LA groups 50/50 (depending on miss playing really). So maybe you got to teach your healers how to play? Or maybe 4 of your 5 healers are gimp specc?

Probably because of their many casters, I mean, the average emain RvR group from mid has maybe 2 casters in it..... bet the average hibby one has a lot more, and since trolls are nice and easy to mez......

Most successful hib groups i have seen had one or two casters in it. Most successfull mid groups i have seen have 3 or 4 casters in it. Most Prydwen mid groups i have seen have 2 or more thanes in it.


regards,
Estat

 

[Fafnir]

Perhaps they should remove the hibs group purge. Dunno how it works, does it give a immunity timer against what ever was purged? Or do the purge remove the immunity?

 

[Teh Krypt]

Originally posted by Fafnir
Perhaps they should remove the hibs group purge. Dunno how it works, does it give a immunity timer against what ever was purged? Or do the purge remove the immunity?

Sure. Can we have SoS instead? Because SoS owns GP.

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Teh Krypt


Sure. Can we have SoS instead? Because SoS owns GP.

I agree with that, perhaps they should make SoS more like a pt but against CC. Its pretty annoying when you slam 6 albs and all keep on runnig killing off your healer.

 

[j000 d000d]

Midgard/Prydwen is just full of Thanes/Shadowblades/Aug Healers.

You basically gimped yourself.

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Teador
Midgard/Prydwen is just full of Thanes/Shadowblades/Aug Healers.

You basically gimped yourself.

Well most of us dont have the urge to try to own everyone else to feel UBER.

 

[amazingsteve]

Originally posted by SilverHood
The other night:
was running about nicely in out 8 man group til we got hammered by +20 hibs, including 2 fgs of NP

Team up with Bad Omen's 2fg to counter the zerg
Things we're looking shitty, thank god for Warders 2 fg's coming to the rescue.

Who's the cause of the zerg? NP? Don't think so... an even number of equally skilled / balanced players should be able to beat them. Except hibs have the advantage in crowd control - group purge. Even when running with 5 healers in our 3 fg's, 10 of us still ended up mezzed. Oh, and not a single hib was standing still as if mezed (cept some caster that got stunned).

Mythic made the game so hibs have the class advantage to make up for lack of numbers.... in even numbers, hibs will win 9 out of 10 times. Probably because of their many casters, I mean, the average emain RvR group from mid has maybe 2 casters in it..... bet the average hibby one has a lot more, and since trolls are nice and easy to mez......

-NP rarely runs in 2fg+
- 5fg+ Mids in our frontier is rarely an exception lately.
- being a mage, I rarely get mezzed/stunned/analprobed. Simply because i stand behind teh tanks who get mezzed. And most of them have purge. Whenever I get mezzed, I´m dead, so I make sure I don´t get mezzed and no, I don´t have purge.
- Hibs have more mages. bullshit. The last week, I was often the only caster in a group, which basically means you´re running through Emain with KILL MEH written on your robe. Every damn tincan or stinking troll rushes for you, ignoring the rest of the group.

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by Fafnir

Well most of us dont have the urge to try to own everyone else to feel UBER.

So you gimp your char because you don't want to kill enemies?

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Teador


So you gimp your char because you don't want to kill enemies?

Well i play a thane, and all say they are gimps, so i dont need to gimp him. I mainly make him as strong as i can to have fun. Running around in the frontier or the rest of the realm. If i wanted to own everyone else i would never have made a thane. And i would long ago switched char.

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by Fafnir
Well i play a thane, and all say they are gimps, so i dont need to gimp him. I mainly make him as strong as i can to have fun. Running around in the frontier or the rest of the realm. If i wanted to own everyone else i would never have made a thane. And i would long ago switched char.

I've never felt uber or wanted to be.. i play for fun too.

But I just want to spec a char good or play a good char so you'll never be behind on other players, which might ruin the fun.

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by Teador


I've never felt uber or wanted to be.. i play for fun too.

But I just want to spec a char good or play a good char so you'll never be behind on other players, which might ruin the fun.

in short: Teador only wanna play FotM chars

 

[Coren]

Originally posted by Fafnir

Well most of us dont have the urge to try to own everyone else to feel UBER.

Problem is that people rolling SB alts and respeccing to aug healers usually do feel the need to try to own everyone else. Yet by doing so, they gimp groups by having 'tanks' that hide untill the end of the fight or that dont fight at all if they're not certain to win and a primary healing class that's more interested in his personal damage output than in having the option to be able to decide the result of a fight all by themselves.

And to compensate for these gimped groups they decide to move in zergs or follow the few Mid guild groups that actually bother to balance their groups.

 

[Fafnir]

I think pvp server was made to give you UBER group guys some place to play. Like the coop was made for people who just wants to run around and have fun. But instead you are here running around killing everything until you get zerged. Ohhhh look we killed a single thane we are so uber. OMG MIDS ARE ZERGING THATS NOT FAIR.

I made a thane to play with, i will not go roll a healer/runie/sm/or some other class you want in your uber groups. I thought you left this kind of behavior behind in kindergarden, when the guy who could not play soccer good, was picked last.

And its never good for the realm to just have guilds that just look after their own buisness. And not taking in other players in rvr groups just because he is the wrong class. Why should they help out later when you want to go on a relic/legion/dragon or some other raid where you need every player you can get.

But then again, some off theese people that want to run around owning will move on like they have done before.

 

[Coren]

Note how I only mentioned aug healers and SB alts, nothing wrong with thanes in a group.

 

[j000 d000d]

Yes more free frags ehhhhhh thanes please

 

[mid_Efour]

teador has got a point here, mid is full of gimp charcters.

how many MEnd healers are there these days?? few if any everyone wants to be the celeirty-mezz master. You see cos hib dont have there main healer doing all the CC the healers actually do the job they mostly are ment to do.

people dont play the role in RvR, everyone wants to be a killer, which sure works if u have overpowering numbers.

I dont think thanes are gimps thats BS but they aint hardcore killers like people play them to be, guard your healers/shammys/runies. RvR gonan change alot in the next few moths as people get uber sc suits.

Mezz is still going to win the fight tho and with Grp purge and SoS, us middies gonan start losing out big time.

NP are fags but they show u (skill less or not) how 2 well built groups can do.

i aint been to emain for a while i cba.

im going to shut up

 

[SilverHood]

I dont think thanes are gimps thats BS but they aint hardcore killers like people play them to be, guard your healers/shammys/runies.

We are gimps.... 1313 hp unbuffed here..... chanters can take me out in 2-3 blasts.

Can't wait for our con buff

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by SilverHood


We are gimps.... 1313 hp unbuffed here..... chanters can take me out in 2-3 blasts.

Can't wait for our con buff

About any tank they can take out 2-3 blasts....

 

[j000 d000d]

Well if you want to win (win any fight whatsoever, let it be a 1on1 duel), you're already competing.

Prydwen players don't seem to take any sweat to compete to anyone except for a few, everyone specs their char in their own damn way and whine afterwards that they get killed and say emain is shit. YES OF COURSE IT'S SHIT if you lose all the time. If you want to >WIN< something you will have to be able to compare to other players, and yes you need a good spec for that. And you'll probably have to build a good group too. People who say emain is shit are just too damn lazy to do something to win. And yes this is something typically for Prydwen because i hardly ever see someone say that on excal, and on excal people always RvR in emain.

Mids aren't the weakest realm, actually with the end regen buff one of the strongest, as most of NP on mid/exc think. The Healer is the best class in this game if played and specced well, and zerkers are very good damage dealers, use it well and it will work well. We don't need GP or SoS.

in short: Teador only wanna play FotM chars

Yes a wizard, warden and healer are FotM

 

[minstrel_kyra]

So Teador, what you are saying is that we should all strive to be uber so that when we die we will have the most rp of all?? That we should all have cookie cutter chars and never deviate for fear of being different?

Err... ok

Sorry but that's not how I play. Do I have tons of rp? no. But I enjoy myself. And until someone starts playing for my subscription that is how I will play. Will I pwnz? No but that's not so important to me, I have a life and more important things to do than worry about who is more uber, etc. Diversity makes the game fun. Lack of it is just boring.


Anyway you go on being uber and enjoy your cookie cutter chars... eventually one of 2 things will happen: either people will get sick of the way things are played in emain and you won't have anyone left to run over or they will find a way to defeat you.

 

[j000 d000d]

Kyra....

No-one forces anyone to spec a cookie cutter char....

And if you don't care about emain or rps or pwnz0ring then you don't have to at all....

Just that there's so many people saying their realm is gimped.... it's not true.... and if they say that then they do care about rvr/rps/emain and then they should spec a char in the best suitable way for RvR.... the decision to win or lose in this game is totally in your own hands... and how to play this game is too.

If someone whines about the other in RvR then it's totally his/her own fault he/she lost. And no-one is invincible in this game, everyone will win sometime, just that you will almost never win with a char that's not specced for RvR.

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

There's a combination to be victorious..

first of all:

1) Skill.
2) Spec & items & Ra's.
3) People with 1&2 combined.

Your Realm has nothing to do with being sucky, it's you.

:help:

 

[old.Pyrotechnix]

I don't see what the fuss is about.

Both Kyra and Teador make vaild points. I agree that diversity is what makes the game interesting, each to their own and all that. I also agree with Teador (/gasp!) that IF people want to spec in their own way then they shouldn't come on here moaning about NP who have spec'd for RvR.

As regards NP themselves, I again can't see what the fuss is about. They may have forced SotL to run in up to 2fg rather thn 1fg but on the occasions we have met them I can honestly say we've won a damn sight more than we've lost.

It aint cos we're 'uber' its cos when we do go out, we put together as balanced a group as possible. Yes we RvR a lot, but thats our choice. What its meant is that we got a decent group of people who are sure what the other people in the group are gonna be doing. Makes a world of difference and allows every member to make most use of their class attributes.

Anyhow, starting to ramble now. There's no clear wrong or right to this but i hope peeps can get their enjoyment and relax. Cos thats what DAoC should be about.

Regards,

Pyrotechnix
Servants of the Lake

 

[succi]

How the hell did this thread get a 4 star rating

 

[zapzap]

I got 31 in mending a single 525 heal and a group spread heal that can do 8 x 212 if needed, with new healer RA I think thats what healers will be doing soon.
Tried out my mess stun and root on 2 people with sc amor and HI what they even resist it now fun fun.
1 healer in a group is not enough for both doing CC and heal as it is now and having 2 healers and a shammy in a group u gonna miss some killing power.
We need more spiritmasters doing evuul debuffs and pboa then we really can take advanges of our aoe stun

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