Pi$$ed off with the cheating........

[old.dredd[wales]]

Right!
I’ve just spent yet another painful hour trying to play C.S 1.3. The cheating has become bloody ridiculous. I’ve been shot through walls, killed with countless headshots and picked off by player’s ankles at 200m in dust.
I think the only way forward for all online games is that we all have the ‘cheats’, that way nobody can have an advantage. Valve have done nothing about the cheating and don’t seem to give a toss, I also believe Punk buster is going to give up on them.

So, if we all had the cheats do you think that would solve the cheating problem????

p.s Are there any online games left in which there are no ‘cheats’ available please, as I’m getting really pissed off.

 

[Ch3tan]

YOu know half of that doesnt sound like cheating at all.

It sounds more like you having a rant because you are playing with people far better and you cant comprehend the skill difference.

 

[Deady]

Do you have any proof they are cheating or did they just kill you a lot.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

this is a problem with CS nowdays, people allways think good players are cheating. i dont know if they are, but u cant assume yes unless u know.......

 

[Ono]

Indeed.

The ankle is one of my favourite places to aim as well.

 

[old.jobbie]

im Sorry but People who whinge like this need to learn to play the game before spouting off about cheating,

too many players about, shouting cheat, just because they were headshoted from a distance, or shot through a wall, grrrrrrr

1 - headshots are a dream in 1.3 - i must admit they are so easy now, easiest they have ever been, especially with the colt, still prefer the Aug though

2 - Wallhacking, you can spot a wallhacker a mile off, just watch the accused when your dead, the best map people get accused of wallhacking is 747, FFs shooting down a long corridor where you know the cts are going to come is not wallhacking.

3 - People spout cheat at the slightest thing these days, probably more common than the actual cheats.


Learn to play the game, before spouting of, there are actually some very good CS players out there, most of the good players play under different names, aliases, dont know why really,
i have seen people being slagged off rotten for doing well, then they change there daft name to there real name and people laugh and the cheating sh!t stops.

oh well thats my morning rant over with, back to work

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by dredd[wales]
So, if we all had the cheats do you think that would solve the cheating problem????

No, that would mean simply that the game would become totally unplayable. Rounds would last for all of 30 seconds as one man headshots the entire opposition team to death.

btw how long have you been playing CS? Cheating is an old, old, old, FUCKING OLD topic of discussion. Leave it to the admins to sort out.

 

[old.Soul]

lol at the guy being flamed its harsh but fair

m8, the ankle thing: if u can see his ankles (i assume u talking the underpass on dust) then he can see (and shoot) YOUR ankles, blast his toes to a bloody mess to prevent this

on another note: yesterday was on a server with ch3tan and a few m8s am on other side to most of them (comms was on) and the ppl are bitching about them saying they cheat etc etc, while i'm trying in vain not to loose my temper with these ahem 'people'.
For one example the dead ppl are wathcing a sniper the sniper sees a guy run into cover, the snipers team m8 comes running round and bladders the bloke, my team m8s are shouting OMG HE KNEW WHERE HE WAS THE WH'ing $£*(£$ and i'm like LISTEN U MONG if u are using comms why do u think they arent. granted the bloke (err BW admin) could have been hacking but more likely the sniper told him where the last bloke was.

if ppl could follow simple rules it would b better ie. (n.b. to b used in the CORRECT order) think ---> speak / type sooo many ppl getting this wrong.

Soul

 

[-AP-]

CHEATERS - yes i am bored. Last day at work today woo hooo

Off down the pub to get drunk!!

 

[old.jobbie]

well said Soul, not bad for a horrid Mackem

yeah, players who constantly cry cheat really annoy me to


i mean come on people, how many actual cheaters have you seen since playing CS, i have played since Beta 1 and i can honestly say i have only ever saw 4 players blatently cheating, 3 wallhackers and 1 speed cheat.

yes i have had suspicions now and again, but i keep them to myself, and have never accused anyone of cheating, apart from sad lamers mentioned above.

above Question to Addicted experienced CS players only

no Noobs please

nothing wrong with being a noob, we were all noobs once, sorry but noobs dont know the game well enough to comment really, do they,

and mr 1st post sounds a bit of a noob, or a very bad CS player.

soz, feel a bit narked, need to take it out on someone

Btw Ono smells

 

[Will]

I have seen quite a few blantent wallhackers and aimbotter - in fact I've lost count. I've even played in games where the cheat gave out a web address, and people left, downloaded it, and came back to cheat too.

But, thanks to HalfIRC, I just go get an admin. I leave it for them to decide, and I don't scream "ffs, you cheat" when I get killed.

And despite all the claims that 1.3 didn't stop any cheats, I haven't noticed any people I think are cheating. Maybe it was enough to put off all the casual cheaters...

 

[old.jobbie]

I have seen quite a few blantent wallhackers and aimbotter

wallhacking yeah, but how can you spot an aimbotter?

i get accused of using aimbot everyday

someone tell me, how an aimbot works?

i read on cs forum that aimbots are crap and dont really work, if i had an aimbot, that was as good as my aim, wouldnt you think every sad gimp out there would be as good as aiming as me, im not bragging but i have good aim and average at least 30 frags a map, wouldnt there be a lot more people out there using this so called aimbot, be getting scores like that?

only other people i see getting high scores are people i have know for ages.

 

[Ono]

Originally posted by jobbie



i mean come on people, how many actual cheaters have you seen since playing CS,

I agree with this n00bie fella.

I have only seen a 3 cheats and even then 2 of them don't give an advantage - only annoy others.

- Wallhacking, Skin Cheat and teleport cheat.



AND...they were ALL used by that Prick Calkarian.









/Newcastle sux shit BTW.


/I know Villa got knocked out of Europe but at least we got further than.....

 

[~Lazarus~]

Originally posted by jobbie
well said Soul, not bad for a horrid Mackem

yeah, players who constantly cry cheat really annoy me to


i mean come on people, how many actual cheaters have you seen since playing CS, i have played since Beta 1 and i can honestly say i have only ever saw 4 players blatently cheating, 3 wallhackers and 1 speed cheat.

yes i have had suspicions now and again, but i keep them to myself, and have never accused anyone of cheating, apart from sad lamers mentioned above.

above Question to Addicted experienced CS players only

I'll take this chance to claim to be an *cough* "experienced" *cough*CS player.

I've only EVER CRIED CHEAT once. 2 days ago to be precise. Some sad gimp on the hpb server blatant wallhacking. Even admitted it. Unfortunately he left before I could figure out how to record a demo.

As for seeing other cheaters - ive seen few. A lot of speed cheaters, wallhackers and 1 teleporter by the name of Mr. Burns.

Aimbot ? Cant for the life of me tell if someone is using aimbot.

Of course, every fibre of me wants to cry out "CHEAT" when i get killed but I have to remember that im crap so what else do I expect!

 

[Ch3tan]

Soul was talking about me, when I killed players I play wiht everyday through a wall near a door way, they jumped acorss the door -there was no other place theycould be.

It amazes me how stupid your average Cs player thinks their oppsition msut be, "ill sit in this corner, he wont realise im here, he only saw me move here", lame.

What amkes it worse is that I do play with them everyday -they should now I dont cheat by now :/

AS for aimbots, aimbots are more powerful than any other cheat, they are spottable -but you really have to watch someone over many maps.

Aimbots -or modern ones let you lock onto a player (imagine a missle lock) through walls or while u are looking at them, so you get a headshot when u eventually move and shoot. This can be spotted. Aimbots also cause a massive amount of jerking around, as the aim adjusts constantly.

 

[Embattle]

Re: Re: Pi$$ed off with the cheating........

Originally posted by MYstIC G
No, that would mean simply that the game would become totally unplayable. Rounds would last for all of 30 seconds as one man headshots the entire opposition team to death.

btw how long have you been playing CS? Cheating is an old, old, old, FUCKING OLD topic of discussion. Leave it to the admins to sort out.

No actually it would lead to moaning that someone has a better cheat

 

[Will]

jobbie - the aimbot is less common, but one that I remember best, every kill was a 1 bullet fired headshot. I didn't scream and bitch - I just got an admin to come take a look, see what he thought.

The the guy started pimping his hand-coded aimbot, and one of my clan-mates downloaded it... the was what swung it for me.

 

[Moving Target]

hmm once on cs_estate I was playing and one of the CTs called DarkOne ( in l33t speak) was shooting through the blue windows on the front of the house and getting a frag everytime

 

[ShockingAlberto]

i beleave there's a cheat out there common to several mods called the "hlhack", i hear it gives you bright green lock on boxes, like in coin ups like virtua cop, that can be seen through walls...

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

There was something like that, way back as far as i know. As i no longer play cs, i don't keep up to date on the latest cheats. Back then the round spikes were different colours depending on what type of wep you were carrying. Not the only advantage they gave, as whatever postion you hid, or flanked an nme player from it was never a suprise to the user soon as he saw the spike spin in your direction or sticking through the wall, they would know about you To the clever player these spikes, can be completely undectable, and due to cs's slow nature of gameplay absolutely deadly

 

[ShockingAlberto]

yea, that's the kind of cheat that makes a good player unbeatable. the guy that would use that is proberbly good without it, just uses it to get the edge on people, which is why i'd say that kind of cheat is worse that aimbots ect, which wouldn't give any extra help to a good player.


i remember fondly on hearing people say "i like your headshot script" whenever u headshotted someone. of course pointing out to people "there's no such thing as a script that makes u get headshots" was even more fun. and of course it didn't end there, the moment u mentioned the word script people would start saying your admitting to cheating......since when has a buy script, or even a fast weapon change script been cheating...i no longer hear this, so i guess people of wised up as bit on cheating..

 

[oldman]

cheating is a lot more common than people think

lo 'top' german/euroey clan CSA (i.e. not the shit one also called csa) in ukcsl season 1 :/ that was about cs beta 6 i seem to remember.

People cheat in clanbase games all the time, when lambert and gl_alphamin and lightgamma etc. were standard cs commands I used to use them all the time :/

I still say lambert isn't a cheat tbh, real games were designed to be played with fullbright skins. The anti-cheat features in cs nowadays are laughable, not for what they dont do but for what they do do.

U cant change m_pitch away from 0.022, u cant change any of the gamma,lightgamma,brightness settings anymore? They removed 320x200 software ? The sniper blackout thing is stupid because ppl below 640x480 res dont have it so why should ppl in higher res be forced to? Why the fuck isn't there a cg_forcemodel type command for ppl with slower computers? Wtf is the point in enforcing player models either. Aimbots that used coloured mdls were shit and hackers have found far better ways of making aimbots for cs nowadays with passthrough dlls etc.

And recoil is so shit. Good aim is replaced with luck. All this shit parametric animation and stuff does nothing to improve how good cs looks but does a lot to reduce fps and fuck up server cpu usage. Much like 512x512 skins. On some website a while ago some blerk showed how 256x256 skins resized down from 512x512 instead of being drawn at 256 could look exactly the same but half model memory requirements?

CS has just become completely fucked up

5.2 had the best maps. the best weapon balance, bunnyhopping and other stuff that actually made it a skill based game. The netcode (((((( Why the fuck should 56k'ers expect to have as fair a time as lpbs? If anything the netcode is biased towards hpbs over lpb with all the die'ing once round the corner etc.

Reminds me, heres some cheat netcode settings for lpbs, makes ppl jerk around screen a bit but you'll hit ppl a lot more:

cl_nopred "1"
ex_interp "0.02"
ex_extrapmax "0.04"
cl_nosmooth "1"
cl_smoothtime "0.02"
cl_vsmoothing "0.01"

Cos the gay parametric smoothing shit is set by default for 100ms ping hence why 100ms is ideal ping for cs :/

Oh and the fucking awp, sometimes u can be crouching perfectly zeroed in on someone and fire and u miss, other times u can suddenly see one jump and fire at the same time and kill them?

Oh and another thing, the map in cs5.2 with the watchtower and the sewers was like the best map ever so which cock decided to remove it.

www.langames.net etc.

cya around dings

 

[oldman]

i meant to ask

any chance of a couple of barrysworld cs beta 5.2 servers? :/

 

[oldman]

und good luck cs-b vs ukla

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Originally posted by oldman


Oh and another thing, the map in cs5.2 with the watchtower and the sewers was like the best map ever so which cock decided to remove it.

The map is Jail, and yes indeed the map was the best cs map ever made, for many different reasons imho.


Btw i pretty much agree with the rest of your post too. The part about clans/players looking for the edge and it being perfectly legal is an old one, but one of which iv'e allways sided against with the don't do it brigade. As you say the game/maps/models ect ain't balanced in anyway for these features, so they shouldn't be used.

/5.2 That would make me intrested in playing the game again, and more so coughing up for barrysworld when they start charging to play

 

[Ch3tan]

Errm we have no knowledge of cheats or how they work, isnt that right Oldman.

/me prods Oldman.

 

[oldman]

?

i always cheat to within the rules, i.e. not wallhacks etc. but

like using ex_interp and using a "-moveleft;-moveright;etc." sniper bind and i used lambert when u just had to type lambert -1.01 and i used the fps models made by morti before they locked mdls and i still delete the gfx/env/ directory to get a white sky.

Thats why qw is such a better game than q3 etc. imo
Because of the player customisation it presents u with like making your own hud with the gfx.wad and using your own fullbright force skins and tweaking around all the cl_ and gl_ settings to find the best settings for you. Striving for an edge. Its like in football. Everyones playing the same game but they use different boots to do it. Nobody likes being forced to use the same boots. Valve fucked up. By trying so hard to stop cheats they just encouraged ppl to start looking into hacking stuff in.

As a competitive game cs can never suceed, as a bit of a knock about among friends it can be fun. But the game physics are just too fucked up to make it a realistic test of skill vs skill. TF2 if it ever comes out will probably have about 30 cheats on the day of release.

The only sure fire way of ever stopping wallhacks would be for all video card manufacturers to get together and make tile based rendering drivers. Then games could simply require the use of drivers above a certain version much like they do directx versions, thereby only allowing tile based rendering to occur thereby stuff u cant see dont get shown :/

Q3's sv_pure combined with tile based rendering is the only sure fire way of non-cheatiness atm

If someone bothered to make a cs mod for qw on the otherhand it could be interesting....perfect netcode in a fast and efficient engine that runs on p166s. Most ppl today all get 72 fps so there would be no fps advantages and so the game as a whole would be more a test of skill than luck :/

i rock btw

 

[oldman]

i thought the map with the watchtower was called cs_tire btw

 

[old.jobbie]

yeah 5.2 was the best beta ever

apart from Jail, sorry this was one of the worst maps ever


those were the days, B!tch, =SOL= & SA great servers, top lads & great fun

cant remeber anyone accusing people of cheating either

and the scoped Colt, now that was an awesome weapon

/bring back the good old days

and 3.1 was also very good,

lol into good old day mode, beta 1 when the models all looked the same, only way to tell the difference was T's had stripes on their sleeves, and when they 1st did the DE maps, you could plant the bomb anywhere, lol
and you could snipe with an mp5, not this spray and prey shit now.

/me sobs some more

 

[oldman]

omg playing on the SA server on that goldeneye (weaponsfactory or summit) map in cs 5.2 was the fucking best