Petrol

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

anyone else stocking up? or nothing to worry about....


btw the price of fuel now is fucking ridiculous..scoobs stating the obvious day today..join in...

 

[tris-]

the local has put the price up by 4p in the last week!

 

[Dukat]

join in...

Bacon weighs slightly more than no bacon, but slightly less than more bacon.



Oh, and I'm taller than throd! He's such a short tiny man


Ummm.... oh and no, not stocking up on fuel, because my ickle cibber will run forever on next to nothing winnar

 

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

you cant blame the owners of the local garage either,my m8 owns and runs a small petrol station near where i live,he filled his tanks last week £30,000 worth of fuel and his profits on that was £100 :eek2::eek2::eek2:he makes less than 1p a litre..he only makes a do because he repairs cars there as well.

 

[Darthshearer]

you cant blame the owners of the local garage either,my m8 owns and runs a small petrol station near where i live,he filled his tanks last week £30,000 worth of fuel and his profits on that was £100 :eek2::eek2::eek2:he makes less than 1p a litre..he only makes a do because he repairs cars there as well.

Its fucking disgusting that Scoob. The government are shafting everyone!

 

[throdgrain]

Pikey is a bloody dwarf by the way!

 

[Chilly]

Its fucking disgusting that Scoob. The government are shafting everyone!

Er sorry but that's got nothing to do with the inability of someone to compete within a market. The reason he cant make money is because of the small number of vast chains operating in this sector.

 

[Milkshake]

Don't own a car, for the reason that i've had enough of being shafted by the govt. I mean, those prices are *insane*.
It irks me that the Public Transport system is not great, but it's enough to get me to work on time 95% of the time.

However, over here in the US people are throwing a wobbily because fuel is up to $4 a gallon! I mean, seriously, people in their droves are selling big cars and buying small efficient cars. The used car dealers nearby won't accept any 4x4s or Pickup Trucks any more. Crazy :S

 

[Tom]

I charge people for my mileage so it really doesn't make a big difference for me. Besides which I just chuck vegetable oil in there, that's still £0.85 a litre from Costco.

 

[Tom]

Oh, and I'm VAT flat rate registered, so I can take VAT from the non-VAT applied vegetable oil.

And the cost of all that fuel is tax deductible

 

[Chilly]

only on business, like the rest of us.

 

[ford prefect]

I prefer to stick to my motorbike, it does over 85 mpg without any fuss and I generally get places faster on the bike than I would in a car

 

[old.user4556]

Petrol/Diesel prices aren't going down anytime soon, so we better just suck it up.

An efficient car is probably the only option for me going forward, and that means something like a BMW 118d M Sport for me (I have the 120i just now), one of the most economical cars you can buy just now which will do 70 mpg on the extra urban run , £35 per year in tax and 0-60 in 8.9 seconds (which won't win drag races, but the economy makes up for it). Where can you drive cars quick these days anyway without going on a track?

 

[Scouse]

Ah Big G. It seems the government's policy is spot on then. In all areas

 

[old.user4556]

you mean they're forcing me into it?

 

[Scouse]

Not forced...

Your post made me feel poo because the high petrol cost means you're "encouraged" to buy a more economical car and the fact that this country is now knee-deep in bastard-cam's that you're probably right that the only place you can drive fast is on a track.

I think Gordo would masturbate at your post...


On the double-negative side, Labour are taking every opportunity during this weeks petrol fiasco to present nuclear power as our great saviour. Despite the fact that new stations won't come online for 20 years and that decomissioning costs of our existing stations are soaring from 12bn to an estimated 76 billion.

Handy that that little snippet comes out after the highly illegal "public consultation" exercise...

...I fucking hate blighty

 

[JingleBells]

Petrol/Diesel prices aren't going down anytime soon, so we better just suck it up.

An efficient car is probably the only option for me going forward, and that means something like a BMW 118d M Sport for me (I have the 120i just now), one of the most economical cars you can buy just now which will do 70 mpg on the extra urban run , £35 per year in tax and 0-60 in 8.9 seconds (which won't win drag races, but the economy makes up for it). Where can you drive cars quick these days anyway without going on a track?

Fucking hell that's good MPG, I'll add that to my list of diesels that I might buy in a years time. Currently got a Punto 1.9TD, it's nice but lacks any oomph when going 50-70, which as I do 20k of motorway driving a year I do quite a bit of.

Just got to wait a year till I'm 25 otherwise insurance will eat me for breakfast

My list currently consists of:
A3 2.0TDI
Golf 2.0TDI
118d M Sport

any others?, after sub 10 sec 0-60 but decent MPG (45+ @ 56mph preferably) and ~£15k

 

[Trem]

Honestly.

Labour couldn't give a flying fuck about the enviroment but its a convinient excuse to fuck us in the arse every time we fill up.

Wake up and smell the coffee for christ sake.

And that bullshit that Brown was doing today urging oil producers to produce more oil is such a fucking obvious attempt to pass the blame onto someone else for their daylight robbery.

Bring on the refinery strikes I say and make it soon.

 

[Embattle]

Honestly.

Labour couldn't give a flying fuck about the enviroment but its a convinient excuse to fuck us in the arse every time we fill up.

Wake up and smell the coffee for christ sake.

And that bullshit that Brown was doing today urging oil producers to produce more oil is such a fucking obvious attempt to pass the blame onto someone else for their daylight robbery.

Bring on the refinery strikes I say and make it soon.

If you think any of the parties would really do different then you should take some of that coffee too, the reality is I suspect that oil will hit $200 a barrel and if that happens then the cost of a litre could well reach £2 unless some local action is taken.

 

[Scouse]

Is fuel tax set at x number of pennies or does it increase as a percentage of the overall cost of fuel?

If it increases as a percentage then the government is indeed fucking us in the ass - it would be easy to cap.

If it's set as x number of pennies then both us AND the government are being fucked in the ass by OPEC - as the government won't be earning more tax.



...BTW - as far as environmental taxes go - high fuel prices are the fairest way. Polluter pays principle. Road tax should be scrapped tho.

 

[Tom]

Duty is fixed. VAT is charged on the duty+fuel. So if fuel rises, duty remains the same but VAT goes up.

 

[bob269]

Honestly.

Labour couldn't give a flying fuck about the enviroment but its a convinient excuse to fuck us in the arse every time we fill up.

Wake up and smell the coffee for christ sake.

And that bullshit that Brown was doing today urging oil producers to produce more oil is such a fucking obvious attempt to pass the blame onto someone else for their daylight robbery.

Bring on the refinery strikes I say and make it soon.

So the answer is for Britain to cave in to the big oil companies? Why should we absorb their rediculous barrel prices just because they are holding back supplies.

That's a little naive, the government hasn't put petrol up 20-25p in the last few months.

And if you think a major reduction in fuel tax is they key then don't you think they'll need to find that tax money somewhere else, you won't win.

 

[Raven]

If they didn't waste so much money on white elephants, pointless schemes and armies of middle managers to run them they would save a bundle. This government wastes more money than any in history. Taxes have gone up while quality of service has plummeted. I would be quite happy to be taxed as much as I am if I saw a return but I don't, all I see is the abyss approaching.

Good'ol Labour

 

[Trem]

The duty on fuel is around 60p per £1.

They raised fuel prices and never dropped them for such things as the refinery explosion, an arab falling over and hurting his ankle, a bloke throwing a stick at a pipeline in Nigeria etc..

If the government was run better then they wouldn't need to find the money else where. Isn't it funny how they dropped 20p off a litre the last fuel strikes, funny that or is it because they had reserve money because the Labour term was still pretty early on. I am sure if they hadn't fucked up on the 10p tax thing and bailed out Northern Rock to name a couple of things they would have the capacity to drop the duty on fuel again.

If you think its OPEC or the producers making oil so high then you are right but it is up to our government to suck up some of the cost I'm afraid seeing as we are the dearest in Europe if not the world for petrol.

I mean come the fuck on, even Switzerland has cheaper fuel than us and they hate cars more than Hitler.

Also don't forget in the USA they pay around 60c a litre, thats less than 30p.

Enviroment protection is absolute bullshit as far as high fuel duty goes, it would only work if every country in the world did it, but they don't so at least stop screwing the people.

 

[bob269]

They raised fuel prices and never dropped them for such things as the refinery explosion, an arab falling over and hurting his ankle, a bloke throwing a stick at a pipeline in Nigeria etc..

If the government was run better then they wouldn't need to find the money else where. Isn't it funny how they dropped 20p off a litre the last fuel strikes, funny that or is it because they had reserve money because the Labour term was still pretty early on. I am sure if they hadn't fucked up on the 10p tax thing and bailed out Northern Rock to name a couple of things they would have the capacity to drop the duty on fuel again.

Lol, aye, there's no denying they've fucked the country up.

Sign this if you think it will help

Petition to: Reduce Fuel duty to bring fuel prices back to an acceptable level.

 

[DaGaffer]

And that bullshit that Brown was doing today urging oil producers to produce more oil is such a fucking obvious attempt to pass the blame onto someone else for their daylight robbery.

That blatant politicking made me smile, especially as it shows neither Brown or his advisors know jack about oil production or the futures market (or rather they do, but assume joe public doesn't); pumping more North Sea oil wouldn't mean cheaper prices at the pumps because North Sea oil doesn't necessarily get used here. Its also a fucking cheek putting the onus on the oil companies to solve his shit when the bulk of the price of a litre goes straight to the treasury. Having said that, energy company profits are so huge at the moment that if Gordon wanted to give us a break he could come over all OldLabour and hit them with a windfall tax and take a duty holiday. Of course he wouldn't have the balls to do it (he'd say the EU wouldn't let him or something).

Thing is, unless he starts to let go of fuel duty to an extent, he's actually going to stifle the economy; its not just about getting to work; the knock-on effects are filtering through the economy and Labour's old friend inflation is coming back in a big way (look at food prices - the bad wheat harvest has had an effect, but transport costs have had a bigger one); and that's been the killer of pretty much every Labour government.

 

[Chilly]

Sorry trem but you are being a bit of a tit on several counts.

Northern Rock: is a profitable business and going concern. The government has effectivly made an investment here.

Fuel and environment: best way to force people to change their shitty behaviour is to use the market. Fuel price is a product of supply and demand. Suplly drops and demand still increases, GUESS WHAT THE PRICE DOES. Fuck sake your level of ignorance of basic economics really does piss me off.

Oh and how would the government be able to plug one of its biggest income streams if it was better run? A government with a shitload of cash hanging about isn't well run. A government with a large supply of credit if it needs it and a good match between income and spend is well run because it means tax is efficient.

 

[ford prefect]

Fuel and environment: best way to force people to change their shitty behaviour is to use the market. Fuel price is a product of supply and demand. Suplly drops and demand still increases...

Fair point, but we are a service economy, and as a result we import pretty much everything these days. Fuel prices effect the cost of living for everyone, and ultimately you can only keep an economy stable for so long under those circumstances. Ultimately you can only tax people so much. We already have the highest fuel tax in the world, and we are getting stuck with more and more "Green Taxes", which is really strange considering we have seem to have no real interest in researching alternative fuels sources with all this new green money.

 

[DaGaffer]

Sorry trem but you are being a bit of a tit on several counts.
Northern Rock: is a profitable business and going concern. The government has effectivly made an investment here.

Separate argument, but its not the job of government to bail out failing banks, or make investments in private businesses (in fact there's a shitload of European law designed to stop governments doing this). In the next paragraph you talk about "using the market" but this is a direct contradiction of that; if Northern Rock was an attractive proposition, then the market would see that. It didn't, and governments are notoriously bad at direct investment in or control of businesses. Especially Labour governments

Fuel and environment: best way to force people to change their shitty behaviour is to use the market. Fuel price is a product of supply and demand. Suplly drops and demand still increases, GUESS WHAT THE PRICE DOES.Fuck sake your level of ignorance of basic economics really does piss me off

It doesn't alter the fact that duty sits on top of that at one of the highest rates in the world; the rest of the world is being affected by fuel price rises, but we're being affected proportionately more, which hurts our competitiveness, and skews the market. Fuck sake your level of ignorance of basic economics really does piss me off

Oh and how would the government be able to plug one of its biggest income streams if it was better run? A government with a shitload of cash hanging about isn't well run. A government with a large supply of credit if it needs it and a good match between income and spend is well run because it means tax is efficient.

Which ignores the reality that a massive proportion of every tax pound earned by this government is absorbed by inefficient overhead. The number of public sector workers has never been higher (and yet we don't have demonstrably better services across the board than ten years ago), and the number of hidden unemployed (long term sick) has also never been higher. This is NOT an efficient government, even by the poor standards of most public bureaucracies.

 

[Chilly]

Fair point, but we are a service economy, and as a result we import pretty much everything these days. Fuel prices effect the cost of living for everyone, and ultimately you can only keep an economy stable for so long under those circumstances. Ultimately you can only tax people so much. We already have the highest fuel tax in the world, and we are getting stuck with more and more "Green Taxes", which is really strange considering we have seem to have no real interest in researching alternative fuels sources with all this new green money.

We pump a fair old whack of wonga (billions) into fusian research in various forms, as well as all sorts of other stuff you wouldnt associate with it. Our national science budget is vast, it's just getting the stuff out the door and implementing it in a cost effective way thats tough.

As for taxing: ok so cap vat/duty on fuel a bit, no need for it to spiral out of control like it will otherwise, but a reduction is difficult. the money needs to come from somewhere. Forget the correctness of gordo's spending, if you just zap 10bn of it it will cause more problems than the savings will fix.