Petition about RA's for Mincer in Frontier

[Mawinax]

Do you fell Mincers get shafted with the new RA's - including AM NOT healing the mincer, but only the group?

Here is your chance to make a difference.

http://vnboards.ign.com/Albion_Rogue_Professions/b20906/67156923/?62

 

[Gorre]

looool
QQ imho!

 

[Asha]

you're kidding?

get in line behind friars tbh

 

[swords]

Funny how they seem quite content with totally gutting a class then leaving it that way for a stupidly long time.

 

[Drav]

Not even gonna mention armsman hehe, tbh Mythic needs to throw there current ra proposal out the window cos it majorly sucks for all classes. Well at least I can only speak for alb classes.

 

[Filip]

tbh the theurg special RA seems like instant win to me ...ei overpowered...

but thats maybee just me .. i cant start play a class before it get upped ...

 

[sibanac]

you're kidding?

get in line behind friars tbh

and pallies, with our uber tireless 1 that does not stack with our end regen, or our rr5 that doesnt help us at all

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

friars got shafted by far the most in the ra shitty fookin review

cut from friar boards................
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Okay, so we have lost:

Avoidance of Magic

Physical Defense

Determination

Dodger

Ignore Pain (AAAARGGGH!!!)

In return we get:

Weak and expensive Purge

Faith Heal that doesn't work for the user

And a class RA that disarms people for 6 seconds, but if we're that thick in the melee with these new RAs we're gonna die quickly anyway.

And as if they needed to flaunt their stupidity, they gave us Wild Power. Weee, I'll crit on my...uh...oh...wait...um.



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i think he sums it up.. and also mythic STILL give friar artifacts and drops with +ST????????? on themn just shows how much they trying to shaft friars

i love my friar i enjoy playing him rvr and pve . but if these changes go live i will have to retire him... and roll a new class and re-do ml's or play my therug or ding my scout 50 fookin sucks either way cos i wanna play me friar

 

[Fedaykin]

lol ;X

if a mincer cant win without ra's then they arn't very good players.

Your characters designed to fulfil a function in a group not be stealth gods, and mythic is just highlighting this with the changes

atm mincer + inf combo is deadly and needs to be fixed.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

friars got shafted by far the most in the ra shitty fookin review

cut from friar boards................
=======================
Okay, so we have lost:

Avoidance of Magic

Physical Defense

Determination

Dodger

Ignore Pain (AAAARGGGH!!!)

In return we get:

Weak and expensive Purge

Faith Heal that doesn't work for the user

And a class RA that disarms people for 6 seconds, but if we're that thick in the melee with these new RAs we're gonna die quickly anyway.

And as if they needed to flaunt their stupidity, they gave us Wild Power. Weee, I'll crit on my...uh...oh...wait...um.



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i think he sums it up.. and also mythic STILL give friar artifacts and drops with +ST????????? on themn just shows how much they trying to shaft friars

i love my friar i enjoy playing him rvr and pve . but if these changes go live i will have to retire him... and roll a new class and re-do ml's or play my therug or ding my scout 50 fookin sucks either way cos i wanna play me friar

agree totally, minstrels can hardly whine you get RvR grps cos u have speed wtf do friars have? fuck all thats what, no dodger no ip, so now to protect my self i need to spend shit loads of points into MoParry great a totally useless RA in RvR cos parry is fucked...but nvm i can still ue my base Evade... hang no i cant cos Dual weilders cut my evade rate in half so i do actually only have evade 2.5 when facing FOTM classes which atm make up 60% of most RvR grps... /sigh back to killing greys in DF for 1-2rp's not even sure i can be arsed to level another char to 50 and risk getting fucked over again, The Friar was the first 50 i really enjoyed until i read those RA proposals... ffs mythic have killed DAOC with one webpage more than TOA would have done EVER!

 

[Kagato]

Theres quite a few classes with more right to whine then minstrels on the new RA's.

 

[acei]

Not even gonna mention armsman hehe, tbh Mythic needs to throw there current ra proposal out the window cos it majorly sucks for all classes. Well at least I can only speak for alb classes.

You don't speak for reavers, i've gone over the list a few times and if MoM and duel threat do effect our weapon proc's then reavers do very good from the new RA proposals

 

[Drav]

Well heavy tanks seem nerfed, friars, mincers nerfed, Paladins dont seem to like it (but you have det finally! jk just sick of hearing it myself as an excuse for the state of the armsmen class), yup guess all the mor hybrid chars might like it.... doubt they will tho when theres 5000 re-rollers of the same class stood next to em.

 

[Light]

lol ;X
Your characters designed to fulfil a function in a group not be stealth gods, and mythic is just highlighting this with the changes

sorry but thats rubbish. they were not designed just to fulfil a function in a group, they were designed to be able to do both - and have been able to for last 2 years +

now with no defensive ra's this option is pretty much being taken away, that is what is annoying .. alot of people rolled their minstrel not to run in fg's as do scouts, infils etc

pretty sure if those other *non fg* classes were changed so drastically that they _had_ to run in fg they would be pissed too.

atm mincer + inf combo is deadly and needs to be fixed

what this change will effectivly do is stop even the few solo minstrels as they will now be forced to run with an infil to survive even more so

take a minstrel out and see if you can beat an even level enemy without any of those defensive ra's .. you won't


i was actually looking forward to frontiers .. new zones, new ra's and abilities.. thought it was gonna be fun, but it certainly isnt looking that way at the moment and i don't mean just for my class

 

[Gorre]

minstrels been to strong for a long long time and its about time they got addressed.

if one plays his minstrel propperly the only time he might see atk for a second time in a night is when his bbot lded

 

[sars]

mincers overpowered lol

 

[Ilienwyn]

You don't speak for reavers, i've gone over the list a few times and if MoM and duel threat do effect our weapon proc's then reavers do very good from the new RA proposals

Give crits on levi procc!!

 

[Blondy]

Do you fell Mincers get shafted with the new RA's - including AM NOT healing the mincer, but only the group?

Here is your chance to make a difference.

http://vnboards.ign.com/Albion_Rogue_Professions/b20906/67156923/?62

AMAGAD i signed up just for a irl laugh :x mincers got stun :x nurf mincers.

 

[[TB] Benedictine]

Remind me of the last time a euro petition got something done

 

[Moo]

friars got shafted by far the most in the ra shitty fookin review

cut from friar boards................
=======================
Okay, so we have lost:

Avoidance of Magic

Physical Defense

Determination

Dodger

Ignore Pain (AAAARGGGH!!!)

In return we get:

Weak and expensive Purge

Faith Heal that doesn't work for the user

And a class RA that disarms people for 6 seconds, but if we're that thick in the melee with these new RAs we're gonna die quickly anyway.

And as if they needed to flaunt their stupidity, they gave us Wild Power. Weee, I'll crit on my...uh...oh...wait...um.



=================

i think he sums it up.. and also mythic STILL give friar artifacts and drops with +ST????????? on themn just shows how much they trying to shaft friars

i love my friar i enjoy playing him rvr and pve . but if these changes go live i will have to retire him... and roll a new class and re-do ml's or play my therug or ding my scout 50 fookin sucks either way cos i wanna play me friar

minstrels lost:

mob
IP
AP
AM now dont effect caster
dodger
sos is now gay and shit

and our rr5 thing is totally crap and useless

Mincers overpowered atm, lol QQ some more solo mincers have a hard time right now and this just take sthe fucking piss.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

well mincers can solo a SB/hunter w/o RA's but.... how offen do u see them solo ? :kissit:

 

[Fedaykin]

sorry but thats rubbish. they were not designed just to fulfil a function in a group, they were designed to be able to do both - and have been able to for last 2 years +

and there you have just given the reason why your being nerfed.

can't have the best of both worlds, you can't be supreme at everything

minstrels at the moment are awesome soloers and awesome group characters

and btw i have a minstrel also and so i have seen first hand the reasons why mythic are making these changes.

minstrels are still a fine class, stop whining.

 

[Fixx]

Why all the whine ???

Guys calm down ... what about trying out the new stuff before you jump to conclussions.
I know its easy to say "ARGHHH they nerf me" but give it a go before you start moaning about how much they nerfed your class. I mean who knows, maybe - unlikely as it seems - Mythic actually hit a winner this time.

Fixx

 

[Glottis]

Maybe people could see that Minstrels are a fun class to play at the moment. They are good in RvR, both grouped as well as solo, but you need to play a minstrel well to have any kind of impact in RvR. It is not some retarded spam single button kill all class like an assasin or zerker/savage. It compares more to a reaver in complexity.
Actually a class that Mythic did very well with. All classes should be similar in toughness to play, and enjoyment you get from playing it. So why screw over a good class, instead of tweaking the existing crappy classes (like an armsman, before determination arrived friars kicked ass, etc).
The only nice thing is that as most of the RA's will be same for all the realms, finally the crappyness of Alb classes will be even be more pronounced. Maybe Mids and Hibs will start to feel sorry for the free rp's they have been getting for so long...
Nah, doubt it.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Light]

and btw i have a minstrel also and so i have seen first hand the reasons why mythic are making these changes.

never seen your're minstrel killing ungrouped so not sure where this 1st hand experience comes from .. and most people that give them a try solo find they are not so uber as are sometimes made out

minstrels are still a fine class, stop whining.

and that is a matter of opinion - not fact .. and my opinion is if they go with the current changes it is a severe nerf.

minstrels being toned down a bit maybe but this is going too far.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

minstrels being toned down a bit maybe but this is going too far.

agree tbh


but well Warlords will keep AP by getting ML 10

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

minstrels lost:

mob
IP
AP
AM now dont effect caster
dodger
sos is now gay and shit

and our rr5 thing is totally crap and useless

Mincers overpowered atm, lol QQ some more solo mincers have a hard time right now and this just take sthe fucking piss.

and mincers have SUCH A HARD TIME getting a rvr group NOT!!

i dont care if im uber or a gimp .. all i want is summin that would allow me to get RVR grps.. no det = NO GROUP .. unless a gg or a random grp full of friars/matter cabbys and necros and a smite cleric

no i.p or dodger would make us suck 1v1 .
no det doesnt get us in a decent or even a 1/2 decent rvr grp .

i suposse friars can sit at atk all day n watch the dm's and maybe twat a mid or hib or 2 that comes to atk to suicide.

all a mincer has to do is shout mincer lfg and he got a grp nearly straight away and would prolly get multiple invites. never happens as a friar so who needs ra boost the most? if u still think mincers then u are clueless

 

[Gordonax]

Theres quite a few classes with more right to whine then minstrels on the new RA's.

Not that you'd believe it from reading VNboards. Boy those guys are international-class whiners.

Yes, we lose mucho defensive RAs, which pushes us into line with what Mythic sees our role as: A key part of any group, rather than a prime soloing character. Note that it doesn't mean you can't solo as a mincer: it just means that you're pushed a little down the food chain.

 

[Gordonax]

all a mincer has to do is shout mincer lfg and he got a grp nearly straight away and would prolly get multiple invites. never happens as a friar

Trust me, you wouldn't want to be in half those groups

But hell yeah, if there's a single class in Alb that needs more grouping abilities it's friars. Will friars get buffshearing? That, along with a big fat nerf to det, might make them more attractive.

 

[Gordonax]

minstrels at the moment are awesome soloers and awesome group characters

I think awesome soloers is putting it too strongly, but solo at the moment mincers have it too easy. All things being equal (RRs, buffs, etc), at the moment a well-played mincer will beat an SB/NS - and that's wrong, in my opinion. Those classes are built to stealth and deal damage and have NO group role. That means to me that mincers shouldn't be able to beat them with everything else equal.

But note that "well-played" above. There are no one-button insta-wins as a mincer. Even SoS takes timing to use right - and no, I don't mean as a tool for getting the hell out of trouble.