PES6 again!

[Bahumat]

Wingers
What do we know about Wingers? They dont like to defend and they only seem to have the ability to run forward, as you never see them back track they must randomly teleport back from where they came!
3 forwards can sometimes cause headaches, but i think im close to finding the ideal setup (well, for me at least!)

1 CF 1 SS 1 R/LWF works best, the SS can be a little closer to the box thus will be a second striker, and he'll drop into a AMF area when your quickly counter attacking.
RWF lives on the wing, this is amazing because your opponent will often get caught out by his freedom to run. I did notice 2 wingers mean no defense so you have trouble getting the ball to them.

Bolton Wanderers
Bolton have a magic formation that offers alot of useful things. Their SB's or Wingers never have to worry about being out of position as the DMF+2CMF extend where needed. This is why every formation i make now, include a triangle in the centre of midfield. The triangle setup is a solid unit which is hard to get through, but with forcing players out wide i prefer to rely on the 4CB's to offer better defensive cover. (ArbenDB you have found the answer to SCB's not attacking enough with the diaganol arrows!)

Modifications

4CB's with the SCB's using ArbenDB's arrows (look at the formation i posted 4-3-3). This offers amazing defensive cover, but the SCB's move upfield when your passing out of defense. Alot of the time they would stay back so i truly think Mr Arben has found the cure!

DMF+CMF+CMF. DMF with back arrow so he helps the CB's when they dont have many passing options. CMF on the right will play a holding playmaker role. The CMF on the left will perform almost like an AMF. He will not commit as much so you should be ok on a counter. Defensively the more attacking CMF will keep the triangle pattern (tried with AMF but he stays too far forward)

RWF has a back arrow, this is essential otherwise when your CMF(right side) has the ball, or SCB they wont have a passing option. He runs too bloody far up the pitch! You want him to, but when he's got the ball haha. Diagonal arrow to run towards goal on occasion.

CF will work off the SS and RWF(obviously haha), he has a diagonal arrow because if the RWF comes infield, they'll be ontop of each other.

SS is kinda obvious, used a diagonal arrow instead of ArbenDB's setup because he is nearer the middle of the pitch, he'll want to run out on the wing if he's too close to the middle.

Defense

Almost all on High, Bolton have it and it's amazing, the more you hold up someone's attack, the more your players fill your half. It works wonders for ArbenDB so thanks for making me notice it (had to test formations against cpu and its never the same as against a real person).

Team Setup
Backline A
Offside A

Attack/Defense level mainly on Orange.

Full Automatic strategies (im lazy):
- Counter Attack;
- Pressure;
- Offside Trap.

 

[Tasslehoff]

SS naturally makes more runs into the goal area, also he will drift into AMF positions moreso than an RWF.

RWF will go out on the wings allowing me to stretch the defense/cross/better positioned for through balls. Also RWF will not defend as much as an SS thus I always have him there for my counter attacks.

But doesen't it become too predictable if you always have to cross from the right side?

 

[Bahumat]

But doesen't it become too predictable if you always have to cross from the right side?

No, because I rarely cross the ball, the idea is i always have someone out wide i can pass to, that player may run into a position suitable for crossing, but i would normally play the ball back into the middle thus stretching their defense. If i become a little predictable i will play a couple of crosses or dribble into the box.

The problem with PES6 is wing play, if you have 3 cb's you will get destroyed on the wings.

SB's have a horrible tendency to run up the field far too high (hence why 1 is always super tired), thats why i use the CB option. Wingers always have lots of space to abuse but with the defensive setup i used, it offers more protection.

Because 3 cb's are weak against wingers, and SB's cant do their job properly, that's why everyone at top level has 3 attacking players.

 

[Vladamir]

Recently i've found that my formation on PES is very very formidable, generally games i only win by 1 or 2 goals, but breaking me down is very very hard

 

[Bahumat]

Recently i've found that my formation on PES is very very formidable, generally games i only win by 1 or 2 goals, but breaking me down is very very hard

Care to Share?

 

[Vladamir]

Can do.

Flat back 4, all CB's. Use full-backs still so i don't get outrun by wingers and what not.

2 DMF's in front of them, then 2 pacey wingers about midway into the opponents half, set to AMF.

Then 2 CF's.

I don't ponce about with all these arrows at the moment. Set backline to deep and offside trap to appropriate.

Man Utd and France are particularly good for this. Scholes/Park or Makelele/Viera are great DMF's and you can really break on people with the pace of the AMF's/forwards.

People can't handle it most of the time and end up hacking me to pieces

 

[Bahumat]

Yeah that's like a toned down version of the 4-2-4 with LWF - CF - CF - RWF.

I like that formation, I assume when the left AMF has the ball on the wing, the right AMF literally becomes a standard AMF?

 

[kirennia]

Will have to wait until the 7th one is out (in about a week) then we can play about online. Would love to see how those formations fare up against my current one. Sounds a bit absolutist but I have yet to see a formation which breaks the one I currently use. Loadsa goals scored, even if I do concede them at times (tottenham style, heh)...just have to be careful not to tell particular players to run forward. And having the wingers set with backward arrows means they'll drop down into a more wing defencive mid orientated position where needed but turning up the aggression ready for a counter attack means they'll be used offensively as well.

Just have to swap them out at around the 65th minute else they'll be dead by the end

Generally speaking I'll use one winger more then the other though so usually am only stuck having to replace one of them at a time.

 

[Vladamir]

Care to share as well then kirennia?

@ Bahumat - i don't use much wing play anymore - but yeah, if one AMF has it out wide the other one will tend to drift in a bit.

 

[kirennia]

As for formations, 3 at the back, one DM, one CM, two central wingers, one SS and two CF and you're laughing. Defnce isn't an issue as the DM, CM and occasionally the wingers will pull back to help and up front you've got a consistant strike force.

As for tactics, counter attack and central attack are the only ones I ever use; have even stopped using central attack recently against bigger defences.

Will try and screenshot it at some point for the arrows etc but with a team that has a solid defence team, only having the four at the back works well. Should try and fraps a game at some point I guess.

 

[Tasslehoff]

To be honest, when playing with mates on the Playstation we nearly always just use the formation that the team we use uses, unless it's some fucked up formation, as you don't really want to wait for hours before starting the match, but sounds like we could be a hell of a lot better

 

[kirennia]

To be honest, when playing with mates on the Playstation we nearly always just use the formation that the team we use uses, unless it's some fucked up formation, as you don't really want to wait for hours before starting the match, but sounds like we could be a hell of a lot better

Completely agree. Whenever I play it around anyones house or people come around mine and it's just a small match, I'd always just use the standard formation of the team. It's kinda rude if there are a few people swapping between players and such then you sit down and take 10 minutes just to decide your team

The only reason I really got into it was that me/housemates all spent quite a long time playing it so we decided to try and improve ourselves which worked really well. Doing the league thing I said earlier is fantastic; our own teams we modify the startup for each match but any opposition has to stay as the current formation, otherwise you could spend hours playing just a few matches.

 

[Keitan]

how to put curve on the ball?
when u press l2+square or x or circle or triangle it come up next to player name.. what is that ? ^^

i normally play a 5-4-1 or a 3-6-2 with a player playing of the striker.. and one in central just next to defence beefs up my midfield alot!

 

[Tasslehoff]

Completely agree. Whenever I play it around anyones house or people come around mine and it's just a small match, I'd always just use the standard formation of the team. It's kinda rude if there are a few people swapping between players and such then you sit down and take 10 minutes just to decide your team

The only reason I really got into it was that me/housemates all spent quite a long time playing it so we decided to try and improve ourselves which worked really well. Doing the league thing I said earlier is fantastic; our own teams we modify the startup for each match but any opposition has to stay as the current formation, otherwise you could spend hours playing just a few matches.

Does sound like good fun that league thing, try lots of new formations.

Just before every new game we always end up playing all kinds of weird teams, due to the old ones being played so much. And we also do the real-life transfers, which jumbles it all a bit about and gives the game more spark.

 

[Shagrat]

I play on xbox live mostly and it can be annoyed when virtually every game you play is against either Brazil or Inter.

Although Ive worked out teams/tactics to play against both now so I normally win. hah

Upto 12000 in the rankings now, go me.

 

[Vladamir]

What division are you playing in Shagrat?

 

[Shagrat]

Division 2 atm, until next update then im back upto 1

 

[Vladamir]

Nice

I tend to hover around D2 at the moment. Sometimes i go on a hot streak and other times i get destroyed by shit players

 

[Keitan]

so how to put curve and what do the L2 thingys do ^^? ill give someone a game of it later too if want.. pls awnser this question ^^ ill rep




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[Shagrat]

Nice

I tend to hover around D2 at the moment. Sometimes i go on a hot streak and other times i get destroyed by shit players

Yep I have games like that, just been all over some guy then in the 88th minute, gone to clear a ball in my own box, its hit one of his strikers in the head on the edge of the box and looped back over the keeper and in off the bar AARGH

 

[Golly]

Yep I have games like that, just been all over some guy then in the 88th minute, gone to clear a ball in my own box, its hit one of his strikers in the head on the edge of the box and looped back over the keeper and in off the bar AARGH

i always always find its better to play your way out of trouble, only times i find myself using long balls is either the early cross (l1+o) or a similar type of crossfield long ball played from a full back to an opposite sided AMF, who then can thread one of the strikers in (basically a bloke in ALOT of space, unless hes jan koller)

the circle clearance always goes tits up at the most inoppertune times

also find that having tall CBs is such a blessing, and yea totally agree about body balance, ibrahimavic is absolutely awesome, and even some of the slower but bigger players with body balance 85+ rox

shame the young AMFs on master league all have shite balance, aissati and de guzman are prime examples, they HAVE to play intricate footy as they cant take a tackle without falling over

btw whats the button combo for them placed shots?I can do the totti clipped into top corner via running at right angle along 18yrd line thingy, same with rooney and ronaldinho etc etc

but that shot looks totally diff, is there a specific button combo?

and OMG @ that video where a) he hits a 40yarder into top corner and b) chips a bloke from like 35yards, thats so difficult on pes6

 

[Heta]

saw pes8 out on demo on 360

 

[Vladamir]

saw pes8 out on demo on 360

Been out for weeks now - full game released in 10 days or so i think

 

[Heta]

owell, I saw it yesterday

might get an older pes tho as it should be cheap, is fun to have a footy game for beer drinking, but nothing I play personally

 

[Bahumat]

b) chips a bloke from like 35yards, thats so difficult on pes6

I do not know exactly which one you refer to, but there is a 'hidden lob' which is piss easy to do (takes about 3-4 attempts to get your brain round it).

YouTube - PES6 Tutorial - Hidden Lob (Works on PES2008)

When he turns diagonally just before shooting, you need to press L1+Square. You have to be at that weird angle for it to work, also need quite alot of power.

If the player has great technique and can shoot with the outside of his boot, you can do it on the 'wrong' side for that player

 

[Keitan]

cant wait for next week now im so gna get it

 

[eksdee]

pre-ordered my (xbox 360) copy of pes2008 from shopto.net. £30! you also get put into a draw for a cool 1 grand too. nay bad.

 

[Bahumat]

L1+L2+R2 = Dive in Pes2008 hehe

 

[Vladamir]

Ahh glad they implemented this, will provide for some funny shit