People selling RA/Career respec stones

[old.shotgunstow]

Selling them straight after a dragon raid is like saying 'Oh look at me, I'm a selfish prick who deserves to never win a lotto ever again because all I will do it sell the item'.

Please let's not be a realm of greedy twats? Thanks.

Had to say it as the thread on the trading forum is closed due to it being a mass-insult of outrage.

 

[froler-mid]

i say let every greed bastard join the raid....and his friends. i mean if we only would have gimps joining, how would we kill him?

let EVERYONE have a chance too get a stone, gimped or not. then it will be much easier too get ppl there every week.


just farm him alot , then everyone will get a respec stone sooner or later.

 

[fl_gorre]

apperently you are not in need of a stone remi...
just seeing someone lotto for a stone while they dont need one very badly while other ppl need one asap but dont get any luck in the lotto cuz 70%of the ppl lottoing dont actually need, is rather annoying and depressing
ok one can say they joined the raid so they can lotto too, but imho its very selfish
we are still a realm that needs to stick together if we wanne enjoy our playtime as much as possible


and yes my native language is not english before i get any flames

 

[stinkie]

Surly its upto the guild / group you where in on the dragon raid how they devide the stones ?

If you say only gimped people may lotto for stones all that will happen is you will get 30 - 40 gimped people attend a dragon raid instead of the 100+ people you get/need right now.

Non-Gimped people need a reason to attend a dragon raid and money can be a very large insentive(sp?).

The way DAOC is right now not being able to afford good armour and weapons can make you a bigger gimp than a slightly wrong spec, and selling stones also gives those people that cant attend dragon raids(maybe they work w/ends) a chance to obtain one.

I can understand its upseting if your gimped and the respec stone is given to somone in your group that isnt but you should have agreed with your group in advance that gimped people would get 1st chance at stones.

 

[Apathy]

Incentive. And I agree.

Are guilds REALLY giving stones to people who don't even use them? If so, the blame lies also with them and they should be checking "I am gimped!" claims in the first place.

It's only lame if the person selling the stone lied to get it or stole it. And unless you can prove that this is the case, probably best to up shut the fuck.

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[old.Ramas]

Surly its upto the guild / group you where in on the dragon raid how they devide the stones ?

Yup.

It's only lame if the person selling the stone lied to get it or stole it. And unless you can prove that this is the case, probably best to up shut the fuck.

Also, Yup.

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by fl_gorre
apperently you are not in need of a stone remi...
just seeing someone lotto for a stone while they dont need one very badly while other ppl need one asap but dont get any luck in the lotto cuz 70%of the ppl lottoing dont actually need, is rather annoying and depressing
ok one can say they joined the raid so they can lotto too, but imho its very selfish
we are still a realm that needs to stick together if we wanne enjoy our playtime as much as possible


and yes my native language is not english before i get any flames

fyi

[02:55:31] <[fc]gorre> ik wil je hard in mijn gat jij lekker beest

 

[zlair]

I think those ppl saying 'uhh ohh, im gimped givf ME a stone not u, u just gonna trade it' r the evul mofos in this game!

EVERYONE attending should have an EQUAL chance of getting a stone, whether he is gimped or not. IMHO those who thinks otherwise r the GREEDY bastards, not the ones getting it fair and square in a lotto of some kind!

As stated above, the gimped ppl wants those "non-gimps" to attend dont they ? and yes, SOME of us work, so SOME of us attending a raid in the weekends and getting a stone to trade for e.g. a Oil Drenched Rag or the like (since that place is OBVIOUSLY camped 24/7 !) deserves to be able to do that!

Edit: Yea yea, i use a lot of "!", but only to make my point

 

[Apathy]

All I know as far as my (uberleetsuperduper) guild is concerned is that applications have to be made on the forum for stones. If you want a stone, all you need to do is state why and then fight off all the horneh infz who want to respec to slash for fun or to fix their env/stealth levels because of their new RR.

That works. I can't see why other guilds just give the stones away to whoever asks first or let people who can't use them, and intend to sell, enter the lotto.

Seems like the people complaining are the ones who do need one and can't get one, obviously. Thing is...how much of that is THEIR fault and their GUILD'S fault? Tut tut.

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[zlair]

Originally posted by Apathy
All I know as far as my (uberleetsuperduper) guild is concerned is that applications have to be made on the forum for stones. If you want a stone, all you need to do is state why and then fight off all the horneh infz who want to respec to slash for fun or to fix their env/stealth levels because of their new RR.

FO and GIVF!

 

[dunny_dunny]

Well surely the fact that you have to stand around for 3 hours whilst the lotto is going on gives you the right to lotto for a stone even if u dont need it. Otherwise why the hell do people attend the raids? I certainly don't go for nothing...

 

[Aldoran]

hehe

Originally posted by gunZ-


[02:55:31] <[fc]gorre> ik wil je hard in mijn gat jij lekker beest

lil bit off topic but....


damn that's a very funny flemish sentance

 

[Fagane]

Why is Alb the only realm who makes a big problem of selling respec stones? Most likely becouse we got the most whiners.

A respec stone is loot, nothing more, nothing less. Everybody there took risks for being there, so all should get a chance of getting one.

Do not like it? Do not come, got no time to do a raid yourself, do not whine. Did not win the lotto and you "need" one? Why the hell did you spec that way then?

Gimps, Noobs and Whiners start to complain about this, live with it or deal with it, stop this bs.

Fagane

 

[quinthar]

OLD OLD story.

People go on a raid, all of them should be entitled to a crack at a stone or drop.

If the group/guild has a policy of who gets what then fine just make sure its clear at the outset.

I've been on shed loads of dragon raids post stone patch, got 2 skills stones of which I gave both away, got 2 realm stones which I gave away too, the last raid I went on I got given a realm stone by one of the guys I gave one too before. I see many of the same old faces from our guild coming back to help the others out.

The moral of this story is this: You take away the oppourtunity for people to get a stone or a drop and you lose people, if you slag people off for trying to make some cash off their loot then you'll lose people, look after people and they'll keep coming back.

So for all you whiners out there, next time you find yourself at a dragon raid with 5 people, ask yourself why.....

Take the fun away and what is there to play for?

 

[Aussie-]

there will come a time when everyone has the spec/RA's he wants. then i see no problems with sellling them. ppl with money could buy them to test specs osv~~

 

[skile]

Yeah, screw the capitalistic scums. Vote socialism.

 

[skile]

Originally posted by quinthar
OLD OLD story.

People go on a raid, all of them should be entitled to a crack at a stone or drop.

If the group/guild has a policy of who gets what then fine just make sure its clear at the outset.

I've been on shed loads of dragon raids post stone patch, got 2 skills stones of which I gave both away, got 2 realm stones which I gave away too, the last raid I went on I got given a realm stone by one of the guys I gave one too before. I see many of the same old faces from our guild coming back to help the others out.

The moral of this story is this: You take away the oppourtunity for people to get a stone or a drop and you lose people, if you slag people off for trying to make some cash off their loot then you'll lose people, look after people and they'll keep coming back.

So for all you whiners out there, next time you find yourself at a dragon raid with 5 people, ask yourself why.....

Take the fun away and what is there to play for?

Might be old, but relevant. Ok, everyone has the freedom to be a selfish moron. But just cause you have the freedom we should support it? I respect equality for all attending. But lets please RAISE our voices against people whom are selfish. Support that instead of making freedom a reason to have shitty morals.

 

[fl_gorre]

Originally posted by gunZ-
fyi

[02:55:31] <[fc]gorre> ik wil je hard in mijn gat jij lekker beest

i was drunk shitless :/

 

[zlair]

Originally posted by Fagane
Why is Alb the only realm who makes a big problem of selling respec stones? Most likely becouse we got the most whiners.

A respec stone is loot, nothing more, nothing less. Everybody there took risks for being there, so all should get a chance of getting one.

Do not like it? Do not come, got no time to do a raid yourself, do not whine. Did not win the lotto and you "need" one? Why the hell did you spec that way then?

Gimps, Noobs and Whiners start to complain about this, live with it or deal with it, stop this bs.

Fagane

 

[Athis]

Originally posted by Fagane
Why is Alb the only realm who makes a big problem of selling respec stones? Most likely becouse we got the most whiners.

A respec stone is loot, nothing more, nothing less. Everybody there took risks for being there, so all should get a chance of getting one.

Do not like it? Do not come, got no time to do a raid yourself, do not whine. Did not win the lotto and you "need" one? Why the hell did you spec that way then?

Gimps, Noobs and Whiners start to complain about this, live with it or deal with it, stop this bs.

Fagane

Alb is not the only realm who thinks selling respec stones is a problem. Anyway: yes, it's loot. It's loot which can only be gotten from the dragon, which cannot be replaced by anything slightly worse than it unlike with equipment.

I'm dealing it in my own way, I won't go on a single dragon raid because I know I'd just get even more pissed at all the lamers selling respec stones after the raid if I'd actually go on one. Quite possibly I'll stop grouping with the people selling them as well. Not that they'd particularly care of me boycotting them.

 

[kirennia]

Simple solution, get in a guild group that will fairly distribute them. Everytime LoD go to a raid, we get a couple of stones and simply give them to the most needy people. Everyone understands and respects that because they arent SELFISH. If you are in a guild group and they take one then try and sell it to you and you don't like it, don't whine at alb as a whole, look and see if your guild is the right guild for you. If you have a guild with 20+ people and people simply don't go because they have already had one and wont come again to help you, then again, think about if you are in the right guild. We go back time after time to get stones for people who need them and who have helped us in the past. Yes there are morons in the game, no they wont stop this simply cause you whine on here. In fact, they probably wont stop at all. And if you are joining random groups instead of guild groups then simple really, what do you expect? It's your own fault then

 

[old.Ramas]

Simple solution, get in a guild group that will fairly distribute them. Everytime LoD go to a raid, we get a couple of stones and simply give them to the most needy people. Everyone understands and respects that because they arent SELFISH.

Jolly good, and this is indeed what most sensible guilds do, including my own.

However, we have to respect the fact that this is entirely a matter for guilds are groups to sort out amoungst themselves.

If other guilds wish to farm stones to sell and fund crafters, or to construct SC suits - then that is entirely up to them, *someone* still gets to use a skill respec at the end of the day, only they get to earn it by farming cash as opposed to farming dragons, and this way there is more cash available for crafting armour etc.

/shrug

Variety is a good thing.

Incidentally, this whole episode is also a shining example of why drop distribution by guild = good.

 

[skile]

Everyone does not have a buffbot, even if they did it would take a lot of time to raise 8p. A lot of time. And again, most of albions population does not have a bot, nor a cabba (tanglers).

 

[old.Ramas]

What is your point?

You think those who can raise 8plat effciently should spend their time on dragon raids instead of inserting plat into the economy thereby making the effective cost of armour and weapons lower?

How the hell does that help?

Say we have (eg) a cabalist who would rather kill goblins for respec than they would kill the dragon.

And we also have a tank (say) who would rather kill the dragon for spellcrafted armour than farm gold.

This happy arrangement is entirely possible thanks to the special thing we call trade.

How is it better for the realm if they both spend their time doing the thing they are less good at?

Surely the fullest extension of this is that we should all solo for all 50 levels, and in RvR, lest we accidentally rely on the skills of other players?

 

[Flimgoblin]

[02:55:31] <[fc]gorre> ik wil je hard in mijn gat jij lekker beest

Originally posted by fl_gorre
i was drunk shitless :/

gifv translation

 

[bracken_woodman]

Agreed everyone needs an incentive to go on a drag hunt. If you're in a group where no one needs a respec stone and you win the lotto and decide to sell it then fine. But a guy who was selling both a ra AND skill respec stones on trade forum? Come on...

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by skile
Might be old, but relevant. Ok, everyone has the freedom to be a selfish moron. But just cause you have the freedom we should support it? I respect equality for all attending. But lets please RAISE our voices against people whom are selfish. Support that instead of making freedom a reason to have shitty morals.

Lol

What complete utter bollocks.

People make decisions everyday some good some bad, they will ultimatly pay the price if they make the wrong decision, who are YOU to decide whats right and wrong?

It does not make make them a selfish moron.

I have the freedom to sell or give away anything I own. becasue you have some warped impression of right and wrong / Nice or not nice, I dont give a rats ass, the stones belong to the people that earned them. If you cant see the simple logic in that then your playing the wrong game.

A simple analogy would be:

"stealing from a middle income family to give to a family that made bad decisions".

It has nothing to do with misfortune or bad luck somebody screwed up their template and YOU want somebody else to pay for it!!

And frankly that sucks ass

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by kirennia
Edited ....
Everyone understands and respects that because they arent SELFISH. If you are in a guild group and they take one then try and sell it to you and you don't like it,

Erm, your making sweeping generalisations that people take them from the group then try to sell to people within that same group, I dont recall that being said once.

Secondly, calling somebody selfish for keeping a stone is like calling a crafter a money grabbing tosser for charging more than it cost, the argument would be "Oh but I spent ages making this item, I cant give it away" people spend time on a Dragon hunt they really have earned it.

So you tell me the difference!!

 

[old.shotgunstow]

Originally posted by quinthar
Lol

What complete utter bollocks.

People make decisions everyday some good some bad, they will ultimatly pay the price if they make the wrong decision, who are YOU to decide whats right and wrong?

It does not make make them a selfish moron.

I have the freedom to sell or give away anything I own. becasue you have some warped impression of right and wrong / Nice or not nice, I dont give a rats ass, the stones belong to the people that earned them. If you cant see the simple logic in that then your playing the wrong game.

A simple analogy would be:

"stealing from a middle income family to give to a family that made bad decisions".

It has nothing to do with misfortune or bad luck somebody screwed up their template and YOU want somebody else to pay for it!!

And frankly that sucks ass

Frankly, I think you suck ass. I believe I am right in saying it is wrong to lotto for something you didn't need in the first place, simply to sell it to people who DID need it, who were on the raid and also had a legitimate claim to it in the first place.

And it DOES make them a selfish moron. Have you ever heard the phrase, 'One realm, one goal.'? Because you obviously don't agree with it. 'Every man for himself' is more your style I guess.

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by quinthar
Erm, your making sweeping generalisations that people take them from the group then try to sell to people within that same group, I dont recall that being said once.

Secondly, calling somebody selfish for keeping a stone is like calling a crafter a money grabbing tosser for charging more than it cost, the argument would be "Oh but I spent ages making this item, I cant give it away" people spend time on a Dragon hunt they really have earned it.

So you tell me the difference!!

re-read my comment m8, that particular first part was a reference to one situation where if person X didn't like it then they should leave their guild, pure and simple. Your quote left out the line after which explained that.

It wasn't calling some1 in a random group selfish, it was a claim that IF (IF, NOT WHEN) some1 in your guild took it from a guild raid AND YOU DIDNT LIKE IT then leave the guild, pure and simple.

My comments weren't really a biased comment, it was a case of if you don't like summit your guild is doing, then you might be in the wrong guild and if you joined a random group to go to the dragon raid then it's your own fault. Trying to stop the whines