Peak oil

[old.Tohtori]

nuke?

Actually your idea might not be way off, have to find out why mother earth needs oil, then nuke something so it needs to make more oil

 

[Gorbachioo]

Actually your idea might not be way off, have to find out why mother earth needs oil, then nuke something so it needs to make more oil

Care to explain that "mother earth needs oil" thing? :O

 

[old.Tohtori]

Care to explain that "mother earth needs oil" thing? :O

Again?

 

[Jeremiah]

Theres loads of UK oil left. My father-n-law used to work out on the rigs and was saying theres still many untapped oil fields in the North Sea. I think it just needs a little investment from the oil companies to develop better drilling gear. But we are being held ransom by oil cartel which is deliberately raising the the price of oil to all time highs...

And really, it has began to hit many areas of our (UK) lives which means lots of everyday things are becoming unsustainable. For example, the price of transport is just going to keep rising and rising, to a point where haulage firms will either go broke, or the price of all our goods will raise well above the current inflation rate. So we will need to cut back on overseas goods. But then, the farming industry requires a lot of transport too, so we have our own rising food cost crisis, never mind the world food crisis. Its a scary time, I dont like how our Government dont seem to be tackling it - arent we due another rise in fuel tax soon?

 

[Gorbachioo]

Again?

You just said that its a part of nature and therefore it is needed for something. How do you figure that? ;O

 

[old.Tohtori]

You just said that its a part of nature and therefore it is needed for something. How do you figure that? ;O

And i didn't say it "just now", i said it earlier. See now why i think you ignore most of the stuff?

For hels bells, you even quoted me on it.

 

[Gorbachioo]

And i didn't say it "just now", i said it earlier. See now why i think you ignore most of the stuff?

For hels bells, you even quoted me on it.

What the hell does it matter when you said it? You still havent explained what you mean by that.


And for christsake just let it go already. You dont have to like me, but just discuss the topic or then get out. Cba with the bitter comments.

 

[old.Tohtori]

What the hell does it matter when you said it? You still havent explained what you mean by that.

And for christsake just let it go already. You dont have to like me, but just discuss the topic or then get out. Cba with the bitter comments.

The point is, i have explained it, first when tris- asked about it,, but every single time you ask me to repeat myself and i just can't be arsed. Read the thread and understand it or YOU get the f*ck out.

I'm not bitter, i just don't like trolls.

And don't think you matter enough for me to dislike you. It takes someone special for me to actually dislike.

 

[old.Tohtori]

But just so you don't answer that with another patented Gorb ignore:

"Well, just logical that oil is there naturally, then it should be there. So if we take a part of the planet away, planet will probably come up with a new thing to replace the loss or produce more. Somehow. But oil is part of nature and as such, it needs it for something."

Repost.

 

[Rookiescot]

Though its not just petrol that comes from oils, its plastics and chemicals too but again there are alternatives.

I refuse to go to the shops with a knitted bag.

I demand something is done about this.

 

[Azurus]

But just so you don't answer that with another patented Gorb ignore:

"Well, just logical that oil is there naturally, then it should be there. So if we take a part of the planet away, planet will probably come up with a new thing to replace the loss or produce more. Somehow. But oil is part of nature and as such, it needs it for something."

Repost.

Any evidence to back up this vaguely worded statement?

Humanity is not natural, we are essentially a virus in the way we operate. To think that nature will naturally make up for our blunders 'somehow' is wishful thinking at best.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Any evidence to back up this vaguely worded statement?

Humanity is not natural, we are essentially a virus in the way we operate. To think that nature will naturally make up for our blunders 'somehow' is wishful thinking at best.

Oh i didn't mean it like that.

I meant that oil is a natural resource. Correct.
So it's logical to assume it's a part of earth.
It's also logical to assume that it's needed for something by earth.(otherwise what's the point of having it, unless it's waste, like siad, don't know)
So if it is needed, nature will find a way to replenish it or replace it, or, the whole planets f*cked.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Peak Oil News Forums


googled it and found this forum. They seem to be taking it seriously enough.

Interesting times we're living.

 

[Azurus]

Oh i didn't mean it like that.

I meant that oil is a natural resource. Correct.
So it's logical to assume it's a part of earth.
It's also logical to assume that it's needed for something by earth.(otherwise what's the point of having it, unless it's waste, like siad, don't know)
So if it is needed, nature will find a way to replenish it or replace it, or, the whole planets f*cked.

Ah, well from my limited geography knowledge Oil is formed when the remains of carbon based lifeforms are compressed at high temperatures for a prolonged period of time, so it is essentially a waste product.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ah, well from my limited geography knowledge Oil is formed when the remains of carbon based lifeforms are compressed at high temperatures for a prolonged period of time, so it is essentially a waste product.

Ah, good to know and thanks for that.

That would mean though, that we could, as an extreme measure to say the least, start creating it ourself.

If indeed it's a waste of such, it shold replenish itself too, just, well, maybe we will have a dry spell of sorts.

 

[tris-]

long period of time is millions of years i think.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Ah, good to know and thanks for that.

That would mean though, that we could, as an extreme measure to say the least, start creating it ourself.

If indeed it's a waste of such, it shold replenish itself too, just, well, maybe we will have a dry spell of sorts.

I very much doubt that Self-made oil will be a realistic option for many many years.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I very much doubt that Self-made oil will be a realistic option for many many years.

Depends on the timeframe we're looking at things.

If we're looking at our own(this generation) survival, it may not be. But then again, look back 50 years and..well..yeah.

 

[Bugz]

Oil production through artificial means has been going on since ww2 - then when the Germans invested heavily into the research.

AFAIK:

- there are two ways to artificially produce oil. One belongs to the Koreans, who produced a very weak and ineffective oil using dug up tree roots. It could barely run even a small car however and was seen to be ineffective

- there have been rumors that oil was artificially produced which was usable BUT the energy in doing so was pheonominal.

 

[Bugz]

Here's a link for anyone interested:

http://www.saltscience.or.jp/kenkyu/jyoseilist/ENGsum/0507-E.pdf

7,000 cal/g is produced using this method.

the conversion rate from cal/g to kj/kg is about ~4.1

so this method produces...

28,700 kj/kg (a kj is 1000 joules)

Petrol runs on about 4050 mj/kg.

Albeit my maths is probably wrong but this artificially-produced oil doesn't match the petrol we use for our cars but it is probably the most powerful artificial oil we have created thus far.

A good read up if you're bored and if someone would like to post the correct maths It'd be better

 

[Gorbachioo]

Here's a link for anyone interested:

http://www.saltscience.or.jp/kenkyu/jyoseilist/ENGsum/0507-E.pdf

7,000 cal/g is produced using this method.

the conversion rate from cal/g to kj/kg is about ~4.1

so this method produces...

28,700 kj/kg (a kj is 1000 joules)

Petrol runs on about 4050 mj/kg.

Albeit my maths is probably wrong but this artificially-produced oil doesn't match the petrol we use for our cars but it is probably the most powerful artificial oil we have created thus far.

A good read up if you're bored and if someone would like to post the correct maths It'd be better

Well thats definately new. I cant get the link working so someone answer this for me. I dont understand this very well but wouldnt using tree roots mean that it would basically compete for the same materials as biofuels do? And therefore make it more or less useless in this case? Or?

 

[Raven]

Neither are viable. There isn't enough land in the world to grow enough crops to fuel all the vehicles, let alone feed people. Its a token move to encourage people to grow bio fuels to make a bunch of MEPs to feel better about themselves.

 

[Platin]

The other fun part is the food situation - our farmers can make more money growing crops for fuels/random crops paid for by the european CAP, and we just buy food from poor countries, works great.

oh one problem, the people in those countries cant afford their own food anymore.

oops!

If only...

Our farmers make shitloads of money due to tariffs and subsidies from the EU. Now the poor countries are really fucked, because they can't compete or build a farming industry. So they don't have any money to buy modern farming equipment(against inscts for an example), and even if they got that money they won't get their own products sold.

And if everything goes to hell, I doubt any western country will care about the third world anymore, we will have enough problems worrying about how to ration electricity for our daily dose of the internet.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Does anyone know how ready hydrogen cars are at this point btw?

 

[Raven]

Fuel cell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plenty to read up on there

There is also talk of an ion powered rocket

Ion Rockets
Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All very star trek