Pave over our country!

[throdgrain]

According to a recent study , an extra 1.5 million houses will have to be built to house immegrants into our country in the next few years. Im sure people like me who live in the south east will be appalled by this figure, the place is nigh on ruined as it is.
And why should we do this? To accomodate a lot of people who aarnt even anything to do with us. And no , Im not even saying "omg scrounging assylum seekers" (for once!), but I dont want to destroy our country even more just to house a stack of people from Poland or Lithuania just because there arnt enough jobs in thier own country. The people who come here often dont treat our country with the same respect as we do, (some of us, I guess), I think its one reason why theres such a huge amount of rubbish where I live, not to mention gob all over the pavements. Im not making that up either, its bizzare This is possibly only the berginning too, wait until Turkey gets into the EU, imagine how many more people will come here to seek thier fortune, and how many more feilds we'll have to concrete over.
I know Im probably going to get critized for saying all this, but to be honest I dont care, its come to the point where I feel Ive just got to say what I think.
And to those in Scotland who "cant see the problem", well, I bet they aint going to build there, but I might just move up there myself

 

[ECA]

Hahahahaha roll on the fear murdoch roll on, looks like the murdoch media might be a switchin camps next election.

PS: We need more homes to lower current house prices, not to house eyemeyegaroonts.

 

[DaGaffer]

Given who's done the research, you'd have to say the analysis is tainted. Fact is, we have an ageing population, coupled with a ongoing demographic change that means more people are living alone than ever before; a trend that shows no sign of changing. That's the real engine of greenbelt housebuilding.

Most of the immigrants coming to the UK, particularly the ones from the eastern EU (which is now where the bulk of migrants come from) aren't here to put down roots, tend to live in urban areas (because that's where the type of jobs they want are) and probably have a big effect on urban rented accomodation rather than anything else. So long as they pay their taxes, and contribute to the economy, I'm fine with it, because unless we want our kids (the few we're having, relatively) to support the increasingly geriatric population, we're going to need them.

 

[throdgrain]

Im not fine with it, but I suppose it depends wherabouts you live ay.

edit. Sorry ECA, but christ you still come over as an obnoxious child, even after years of posting on this forum. Is it because thats actually what you are ?? I do hope not

 

[nath]

I think it's more likely to depend on your politics than your location - although I guess the two are often related.

 

[TWS]

Thod, your an arse.

Title says it all..

Who is going to care for you when your old?
Who is going to empty your dustbin, repair your broken window, wipe your arse?

Think about it..

 

[Gumbo]

Title says it all..

Who is going to care for you when your old?
Who is going to empty your dustbin, repair your broken window, wipe your arse?

Think about it..

He is old though.

/me wonders off confused....

 

[throdgrain]

Title says it all..

Who is going to care for you when your old?
Who is going to empty your dustbin, repair your broken window, wipe your arse?

Think about it..

How about British people?? This country is over-run already with people, be they British or not. You may not see it like that if you dont live where I do.
As far as your insulting title, Ive not insulted you, so discuss in a (semi) intelligent fashion if you can? Or dont type anything ?

 

[Calaen]

How about British people?? This country is over-run already with people, be they British or not. You may not see it like that if you dont live where I do.
As far as your insulting title, Ive not insulted you, so discuss in a (semi) intelligent fashion if you can? Or dont type anything ?

TWS is actually 70 and he got his carer to type for him cant you tell?

 

[throdgrain]

lol Ive no idea who he is tbh Its odd that he thinks ther will be no young people at all in this country, and we'll have to import everyone to do the jobs we dont want to do. Strangley enough though, speaking of immegrants, you hardly ever see asian people in care homes, they keep thier elderly at home with the family quite a lot more!
Dunno about eastern europeans though, "my wife, she is dead" etc etc .


IM JUST JOKING BY THE WAY!

 

[Trem]

Title says it all..

Who is going to care for you when your old?
Who is going to empty your dustbin, repair your broken window, wipe your arse?

Think about it..

Take your fucking blinkers off you tunnel visioned retard.


Unless what you are saying is that we will be a minority then I take back what I said. Unless you mean that we need foreigners to do these things because, basically, we won't be around anymore....is that what you meant?

I know throds politics and he knows mine, they are very different, yet we agree on this one issue.

Surely all the do-gooders must realise that there has to be a limit to this problem? Surely you still can't argue when this country is going down the shitter? Surely we only get the dregs wanting to come here because all the other countries have taken the ones with skills etc?

I think the housing thing is along the lines of lowering house prices though throd, I did hear Brown talk about it a few months back....don't mean its true, but it was mentioned by Lameour....oope...sorry....Labour

Intel still batters AMD though.

 

[Tom]

Fact is, that when old buggers like us reach retirement age, there won't be enough young people still in work and contributing to the economy to fund our pensions.

Which is rather bad news.

The other thing is that you have a lot of people in this country who aren't prepared to sweep floors and deliver the post. That means that we need immigrant workers, or else nothing gets done. For that, you can blame the good old British public, not the immigrants.

Anyhow, everybody outside London and the SE knows what a shithole the place is. You should move Throddy, its much nicer up in't'North. There might be less work, and it might be lower pay, but the standard of living is far higher.

 

[nath]

I rather like London thankyouverymuch.

 

[DaGaffer]

Surely all the do-gooders must realise that there has to be a limit to this problem? Surely you still can't argue when this country is going down the shitter? Surely we only get the dregs wanting to come here because all the other countries have taken the ones with skills etc?

LOL. I think there a FAR more reasons why the country's going down the shitter than a few more immigrants. As for 'getting the dregs', there wouldn't be Polish builders and cleaners here if our own 'dregs' were any fucking use. On a slightly different note, there are plans afoot to change the rules anyway to have a similar points/skills system to the US and Australia. Won't stop the Polish plumbers though, as they have a right to work here.

 

[throdgrain]

thats just the point though, like I said , wait till Turkey has a right to send a couple of hundred thousand people here too.
This country isnt made for it, and if you think it is, more than likely its because its not in you back yard.
Yet.

 

[lilmissnaughty]

i wouldnt mind being a plumber...
all that hands on pipe experience

do i need to become polish

heh imo our jobshy dolescum should be given the option of takin the shit jobs or doin the medical research..given the choice of sweeping the roads or having ur head swell up like a pumpkin what would u pick?

 

[Trem]

LOL. I think there a FAR more reasons why the country's going down the shitter than a few more immigrants. As for 'getting the dregs', there wouldn't be Polish builders and cleaners here if our own 'dregs' were any fucking use. On a slightly different note, there are plans afoot to change the rules anyway to have a similar points/skills system to the US and Australia. Won't stop the Polish plumbers though, as they have a right to work here.

God I know there is many other reasons(Labour) why this country is fucked, I aren't that stupid(I wear glasses you know!!).

Polish builders are fantastic workers but they will twat you with a shovel if it means getting your wallet(so I heard).

On a different note, I would love to be a postman as would many people I know but there isn't any vacancies for it due to all the jobs being filled by forgeigners and agency monkeys. I would also love to be a binman but ditto.

We DO need a points system similar to Canada and Australia and it needs to be monitored closely.

 

[ECA]

Im not fine with it, but I suppose it depends wherabouts you live ay.

edit. Sorry ECA, but christ you still come over as an obnoxious child, even after years of posting on this forum. Is it because thats actually what you are ?? I do hope not

Hmm I wasn't saying that yo you throd, more my take on the situation.
If you would prefer an in depth analysis of why I think that fine, but it would be rather dull and boring, I'd rather just laugh at rupert murdoch. My reply might come of as obnoxious looking at it but it wasn't commenting on your stuff, and when I post I certainly don't full explain what I'm saying or why, some people will get it and some won't.

So here goes what would happen if I replied otherwise ( and this is keeping it very brief ).

My basic point was - murdoch is rubbing the immigration topic, why? further swing opinion against labour, it seems like he will be supporting the conservatives at the next election so swing on rubbishing labour in his rags until a change a week or two before the election in his papers ( of which the times and the sun are ).

My post was just to cheer my up about my bleak outlook on this.
Reading murdoch papers is like looking at a jigsaw puzzle, ignore the individual pieces and look at the bigger picture, except you can't just pull your head back and see it in focus quite as easily

News is never news for news's sake when its coming from a corporate mouth piece these days.

 

[ECA]

Government Pensions? I thought pyramid schemes were illegal ? hah.

 

[old.user4556]

The number of Polish people in Scotland is astonishing; I see cars everywhere with Polish number plates.

All the people working in bars and restaurants, working in the canteens, cleaning the skitter in nightclub toilets all seem to be Polish or certainly eastern European. At my work in Edinburgh, the canteen workers are Polish. They are very friendly people, seem to be very efficient at what they do and quite happy here in Scotland.

To echo Gaff, if they're paying taxes and contributing to the economy and doing the jobs we don't want to do - is it really a bad thing?

 

[throdgrain]

Hmm I wasn't saying that yo you throd, more my take on the situation.
If you would prefer an in depth analysis of why I think that fine, but it would be rather dull and boring, I'd rather just laugh at rupert murdoch. My reply might come of as obnoxious looking at it but it wasn't commenting on your stuff, and when I post I certainly don't full explain what I'm saying or why, some people will get it and some won't.

.

Fair enough then, my apologies

 

[Draylor]

So leave the UK then. Not like its difficult.

Except those damn Polish & Romanians get everywhere, cant escape them.

 

[Cdr]

Throddy, come to NZ - I'll sponsor you to get in (for a 'small' fee of course...)

 

[throdgrain]

Might take you up on that mate, I hear the gun laws are much better than we have over here

 

[Furr]

We need more kids, simple fact so one idea would be Big fat tax incentives and other money saving measures for married couples with kids where one or both of the couple have a job should be implemented if its not already so. That would encourage and reward marriage, kids, and working, Im far to young to think of getting married so if something exists like that i don't know.

But i think maybe now the goverments la dee da attitude to the nuclear family of the 60s should be reversed. And of course the state should still support those that are single but preferably find a way to distingush between those that are widowed etc (I think there's widowers allowance? not sure) from those where its a choice as to discourage all these single mothers. When you have teenagers there's a sizable majority of these young people who sponge of the state for 18 years, you lose 18 years of that person contribution to society and you have a child being brought up on behalf of the tax payer's wallet.

 

[Moo]

I, as most people, have no problem with actual legal immigrants, and asylum seekers etc - its just the statistics that you see saying like only 1 in 5 is legit etc. That's bs imo.

So i dont go as far as to say kick em all out, but if there was some way to really get that legit figure down to like at least 1 in 2 or less we'd save on a lot of scroungers.

 

[`mongoose]

Throd, step away from the daily mail, you too trem

What's shagging the country up is the government paying shit loads of money for computer systems that don't do what they want them to do, for whatever reason (probably because they were never specced right in the first place)

There's nothing wrong with people coming into the country to work, they're no drain on the economy and pay more tax. On top of that they help our demographic (as has already been pointed out).

What's sending the country down the tubes are the large numbers of illegal immigrants and people who are still waiting to have their refugee status sorted. Having said all that, the strain that these persons place on the economy is a drop in the ocean compared to the money lost in benefit fraud and long term dole.

We'd do better getting our incumbent dole recipients back into work than taking in more labour from overseas, having said that, it's not easy without resorting to dickensian methods.

The whole pave over our country thing is a great shock tactic to rile the nimbys but it's hardly likely to happen. Not until the conservative government get back in to 'save' the Country once again.

M

 

[DaGaffer]

We need more kids, simple fact so one idea would be Big fat tax incentives and other money saving measures for married couples with kids where one or both of the couple have a job should be implemented if its not already so. That would encourage and reward marriage, kids, and working, Im far to young to think of getting married so if something exists like that i don't know.

But i think maybe now the goverments la dee da attitude to the nuclear family of the 60s should be reversed. And of course the state should still support those that are single but preferably find a way to distingush between those that are widowed etc (I think there's widowers allowance? not sure) from those where its a choice as to discourage all these single mothers. When you have teenagers there's a sizable majority of these young people who sponge of the state for 18 years, you lose 18 years of that person contribution to society and you have a child being brought up on behalf of the tax payer's wallet.

Problem is, government incentives to promote 'the family' can never pay out enough to the kind of people you actually want to have families (educated, 'middle class' for want of a better phrase) to make it worth their while in financial terms. We're in a wierd situation where individual freedoms (especially for women) make commitment to a family a choice that its all too easy to put off, usually on cost grounds, but often largely on social grounds as people put off 'growing up' for as long as possible.

Having said that, changes to the tax regime over the last 20 years have made marriage and a 'nuclear' lifestyle less attractive. Where once it made sense for couples to stick together for financial reasons if nothing else, it doesn't anymore.

I don't think there are any simple answers, but its probably one of the great ironies of Western liberalism and the promotion of the individual over society, that it contains the seeds of its own destruction. I'm a huge believer in individual liberty, but I don't think individualism will 'win' in the long run.

 

[Trem]

Throd, step away from the daily mail, you too trem

Don't read it luv, never have. I don't read newspapers full stop. I make my own mind up about stuff and I aren't so stupid to believe the papers if I were to read them. Each one has political allegiance to some party or another.

 

[`mongoose]

Don't read it luv, never have. I don't read newspapers full stop. I make my own mind up about stuff and I aren't so stupid to believe the papers if I were to read them. Each one has political allegiance to some party or another.

I try and read 3-4 to avoid loony left wing or right wing bias.

Unfortunately journalism these days is becoming more about opinion than fact which is a shame. I'd rather just read facts and make my own mind up than have to try and filter what I read through a bullshit filter.

It's a fact about Certain parties accepting 'party donations' for planning permission btw

M