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pyonth

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My site has no interface, so there is nothing much too it other than a skin.

And thanks for the advice, my friend, much appreciated.
 
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FatBusinessman

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Originally posted by ~Mobius~
A friend of mine made this site in a very short amount of time using php and photoshop.
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I'm sorry, but that site uses a disgusting number of nested tables. Nested tables = baaaad :p

And pyonth - learn to use stylesheets - they make your code infinitely easier to maintain, not to mention easier on the eye.
 
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FatBusinessman

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Do so. It equates to large amounts of w1n :D
 
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evilmonkeh

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Originally posted by ~Mobius~
A friend of mine made this site in a very short amount of time using php and photoshop. I think it looks pretty good considering the little time it took.
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the reason it didnt take long is because he used a template (either bought or stolen) from 4templates
http://www.4templates.com/index.php?_p=vp&i=xeno6rd
look familiar?
still added some custom graphics tho, but i have to say (from expierence) that those templates are very hard to work with, due to the way the slice them up
 
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mookie

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i love the way some pages are linked to local files too. pld gg.
 
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Testin da Cable

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Originally posted by pyonth
Would Mozilla be sufficient?
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a good trick would be viewing your site through as many different browsers as you can stand doing without going nuts. there will be subtle differences in layout because the diverse engines just work slightly different from each other. there will be sweetspots regarding layout, and even workarounds in code for problems the diverse browsers have.

here's an example: www.alphanor.org is my (poorly updated) personal log thingy. there is a little menu that contains standard 88x31px size links to comics I read, and the CSS code says it should be floating at the right side of the browser window. in my browser of choice, mozilla's firebird, this works just fine. nearly all the IE's screw it up, so I had to use a bit of javascript (thanks to Jonty) that fixes the layout problem. Some of the older IEs (and some unpatched ones) still manage to screw it up. anyway, good luck with your site.
 
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evilmonkeh

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yeah
ie is shite
look at a site im designing for a customer, http://uksutton.extreme-servers.net
in mozilla, the menu highlights nicely, as i used the following in my css file
td.menu:HOVER {
background blah blah
}
unfortunatly, that inherently shit program ie doesnt want to make it work:(
and i would rather not using java script as i find that it is very buggy etc, and not the way forward:(
 
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(Shovel)

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The problem is that Mozilla supports CSS generally by the book, which IE supports less of it.

To be honest, while there are a lot of glitches you'll have to work around when designing, you can produce effective, functional designs that look near identical in all browsers.

With CSS - once you get the hang of it - it is best to use Mozilla as your preview browser, since you'll find there are useful plugins to highlight code elements, add/remove images, use different stylesheets dynamically etc - which IE doesn't do. BUT you CANNOT and MUST NOT design a website that will only work in a specific browser, even if Firebird is a gazillion times better than IE. Websites should never have "Best viewed in.." messages at the bottom - what use is that? It just says that the designer hasn't been bothered to make a finished, compatible website.

From the Link that TDC gave, you'll find you can download the CSS2 spec manual, which will be of great help when you can't remember what you need to put next :)
 
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CptDoom

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brownie%20copy.gif


Sorry, an ideal thread to check something about gifs :)

EDIT: Bleurgh that needs aa methinks
 
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CptDoom

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buttonproperfinish%20copy.jpg


Drat, is there any way of making the background layer translucent after all the stuff i did? :)

I appreciate there is a webdev forum but this seems like as good a place as any right now

Oh and thats is in photoshop btw
 
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jis

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Originally posted by CptDoom

Drat, is there any way of making the background layer translucent after all the stuff i did? :)
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Duplicate the layer, magic wand the white, click delete and thats it.
 
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(Shovel)

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Unless you know you're going to put that on a white background, you're still going to get a major attack of the jaggies.

Also, to make the background translucent you have to use .gif format - jpeg doesn't support transparency.

There is, however, PNG format - which is l33t, since you can have 24bit images, and partial transparency.
Predictable Internet Explorer (on Windows) does not support PNG properly, and therefore the only PNG you can make use of is 8-bit PNG - which doesn't give it much over .gif format. Great.

There *is* a hack to get it working in IE - but by God it's ugly. IE on the Mac does support them - but that has now been discontinued.

It looks although the full use of PNG will be delayed until MS update IE when they release Longhorn - some 3 years away.
 
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Testin da Cable

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Originally posted by (Shovel)

It looks although the full use of PNG will be delayed until MS update IE when they release Longhorn - some 3 years away.
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or you could use a browser that does it's job properly and perhaps MS will get it through their thick heads a bit earlier than that :)
 
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doh_boy

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Couldn't you change the background colour to the background it's going to be against?
 
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FatBusinessman

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Originally posted by pyonth
But what exactly does it do?
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In short, it tells each bit of your site what to look like. For example, I can see in your code that you have recurrent bits of code saying:
Code: 
<font size="3" color="#000000" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif, Yoster Island">
If you put this in a stylesheet, you can apply it to all those bits of text throughout the document with a single reference.

(Although that font tag is pretty awful anyway)
 
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Summo

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Of course, the site you produce should be designed for its audience, not a gaggle of pedantic web enthusiasts who enjoy pecking at source code.

BUT HEY THAT'S MY OPINION.
 
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