Patch Notes 090608

[old.Tohtori]

regarding lack of contain and quests and the boring grinding, funcom chose to turn their back to the problem.
they actually reduced xp much more, like -200k from 1.2m for lvl69
so , shall we wait for another xp gain boost or even free lvl every now and then?

Nothing. Never. Good.

Do you have any idea how long a quest will take to create? Unless you want a general "kill 100 flying things for 10 wings" quest that's been copy/pasted in WoW.

Now think about if you'd like 50 quests added, or one each week that'll take you 4 mins to complete?

There ya go.

The experience balance has nothing to do with content or quests really. It's just balancing levels as they should be.

 

[partyanimal]

in fact, you justify the rush of the launch.
the game needed more work.

its like 2-3 quests per lvl after lvl45 that fills 20-30% of the bar.
then there are only 10 x kill 11-25 mobs quests like daoc, which are scaled in lvl. some coins and a bit of xp are quite crap rewards.

balancing the game as they won't bother to fill these blanks atm.

there is nothing good until it is finished.
i won't become a fanboy each time they make a tiny step to reduce their inability to bring a ready game.

 

[old.Tohtori]

in fact, you justify the rush of the launch.
the game needed more work.

its like 2-3 quests per lvl after lvl45 that fills 20-30% of the bar.
then there are only 10 x kill 11-25 mobs quests like daoc, which are scaled in lvl. some coins and a bit of xp are quite crap rewards.

balancing the game as they won't bother to fill these blanks atm.

there is nothing good until it is finished.
i won't become a fanboy each time they make a tiny step to reduce their inability to bring a ready game.

I don't justify anything, nor being a fanboy, i just don't "appreciate" complains when they do something. It's like giving a 5 year old a candybar at times for petes sake...

As i said "quest/content is different then exp balancing".

Not to mention, check wow forums and ANY MMO forums and see if people are or are not whining STILL about balance/lack of content/etc etc etc/Whine Of The Month.

People who comlpain too much never stop it.

And i do like it was launched, finished or nto, as i like the content that is in now, am content with content so to speak and am willing to play with what i got until next birthday comes along. If you're not, go away fro a while and come back when you see that it si "finished".

 

[partyanimal]

lets get this straight:
I said the game is not finished and rushed out with bugs and lack of contain.
I like the hole atmosphere, but i dislike the presentation.

You said the game is not finished.
you like the fact that some parts, which are standard for most of mmorpg, are missing.
You like the fraction of contain and bugs, which you come across.
yet you don't like the rest, who actually spent/wasted more time and efford, came across more than you did and have a more objective view, to express that view.

btw... subscription is running. would funcom give free month after they stop patching 2 times a week to fix this game?

 

[eksdee]

still makes me laugh when people complain about 'lack of content' i had like 22 quests or so in my quest journal for kheshetta (70+) zone. after you've completed those, you get a bunch of follow ups and those are for or lead on to quests in the instances in that zone (caravan, scorp caves, onyx) and give great exp (think i took 170k for one onyx layer quest) and decent rewards mostly (blue cape from scorp caves for example which i'm yet to replace at 80).

at 60-70 you have a bunch of quests in atzel's approach and thunder river. at 50-60 i found the most lacking as i only exped in eigolphian mountains, but even then i had quite a lot of quests. i really question anyone who is complaining about a lack of quests at later levels and would suggest you're simply not looking hard enough.

all that aside, however, what exactly do people expect from an mmo? grind = mmo and mmo = grind, it is the nature of the beast. the leveling grind in AoC is actually EXCEPTIONALLY easy imo. we already have a lvl80 in our guild with an alt that is nearly 50 ffs.

maybe if some of you spent less times wajning and more time playing you would get some levels

 

[old.Tohtori]

lets get this straight:
I said the game is not finished and rushed out with bugs and lack of contain.
I like the hole atmosphere, but i dislike the presentation.

You said the game is not finished.
you like the fact that some parts, which are standard for most of mmorpg, are missing.
You like the fraction of contain and bugs, which you come across.
yet you don't like the rest, who actually spent/wasted more time and efford, came across more than you did and have a more objective view, to express that view.

btw... subscription is running. would funcom give free month after they stop patching 2 times a week to fix this game?

There's nothing really "straight" about that, stop tyring to sell it as such.

You whine about them doing something, 'cause they ain't oing enough, and doing different stuff then you'd like. In other words, they balance levels, you whine that they don't add content.
You also whine about a lot of other stuff which i won't repeat here.

I said it wasn't finished, as is NO MMO, not even at this moment. NONE. show me a finished MMO and i'll call you delusional. MMOs don't get finished, ever, nor they get bug free.
More content, mroe bugs. Simple.
People whine for more content and then whine for more bugs, even simpler.
I like the "contain"(content) of stuff in the game and i DON'T think it's a fraction. f nothing, it would keep me going for a good half a year or so.
I DON'T like people who whine about fixes when they ain't the fixes THEY would like. Kid, candy.

Get it?

If you're paying for something you don't like, then there's no point talking,as i REALLY don't know why you're here if everything is so "unfinished and buggy".

Not to mention, ever thought of travelling to other regions/places for quests? I'm betting there's more then 3 quests.

 

[Valgyr]

still makes me laugh when people complain about 'lack of content' i had like 22 quests or so in my quest journal for kheshetta (70+) zone. after you've completed those, you get a bunch of follow ups and those are for or lead on to quests in the instances in that zone (caravan, scorp caves, onyx) and give great exp (think i took 170k for one onyx layer quest) and decent rewards mostly (blue cape from scorp caves for example which i'm yet to replace at 80).

at 60-70 you have a bunch of quests in atzel's approach and thunder river. at 50-60 i found the most lacking as i only exped in eigolphian mountains, but even then i had quite a lot of quests. i really question anyone who is complaining about a lack of quests at later levels and would suggest you're simply not looking hard enough.

all that aside, however, what exactly do people expect from an mmo? grind = mmo and mmo = grind, it is the nature of the beast. the leveling grind in AoC is actually EXCEPTIONALLY easy imo. we already have a lvl80 in our guild with an alt that is nearly 50 ffs.

maybe if some of you spent less times wajning and more time playing you would get some levels

AMEN! daoc slowgrinding exp with NO proper quest and NO content at all. i prolly had 30 days /play to lvl 50 on my toon and then i even leeched buffs from a guildy who crafted alot in SI.
PvP rewards? took em 6 months+
class balance? basic balance was prolly a few months in hi2u smite clerics and archers in the begining.

And truth be told, im a daoc fanboi yet was it perfect at launch? lol hell no, was it perfect when i stopped like 1 week ago? nope was much closer tho for small scale solo duo pvp i can see conan blowing daoc out of the water, for roaming fg v fg that daoc was for me i cant

 

[Faeldawn]

all that aside, however, what exactly do people expect from an mmo? grind = mmo and mmo = grind, it is the nature of the beast.

I don't accept that, not anymore.

Grind is a complete cop-out and no substitute for content. There are games out already where you don't have to grind at all. 5 years ago grinding was the norm, nowadays there's no excuse for producing games where the majority of levelling is a matter of time invested (mobs per hour) rather than any semblance of personal achievement (more than just semi-afk button-mashing.. questing, exploring, epics, storyline etc).

Some people say that they enjoy killing mobs in AoC due to the combat system or whatever, to me thats not grinding as they are enjoying what they are doing. But once you start killing mobs for no other reason than there is no other way to gain the XP to complete levels, there is a problem.

This is a generalisation, not a stab at AoC by the way. It's understandable there is insufficient content at release to eliminate all grinding, unrealistic to expect any game to have it covered at release...how many games are released with enough content to cover all the levels? Not many.

 

[partyanimal]

I don't accept that, not anymore.

a customer with @@

 

[old.Tohtori]

a customer with @@

Only in SWG.

Have to wonder if ANYONE gets that...

 

[dee777]

a customer with @@

Does it take @@s to say you dont like something and stop paying for it?

 

[partyanimal]

is this all what you understood from his well written and justified post?

 

[old.Tohtori]

is this all what you understood from his well written and justified post?

It was understood that he's saying:

- No MMO is released without enough content.
- AoC is no exception.
- Grind is not accepted as a cop-out leveling tool.
- In AoC there's no grind as it's fun(akin to assassins Creed i'd say) to bash heads.

Your point?

 

[partyanimal]

Your point?

i must more attention to the titles given to forum members.
lf bye

 

[old.Tohtori]

i must more attention to the titles given to forum members.
lf bye

Nice cop-out there. I've been posting here for ages, and yes, i've posted alot, doesn't make my point less valid.

Yeah, byebye hope you never play this game or atleast get bored quickly.

 

[dee777]

is this all what you understood from his well written and justified post?

Actually I quoted you, because I wasnt (am still am not) understanding your comment. I consider Faeldawns post as a good one with valid points and a clear statement. I just cant find yours...

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Is it me, or does the guy keep talking about a rushed release when the game got delayed at least twice (change of official release date) for over a year in total?

 

[partyanimal]

Actually I quoted you, because I wasnt (am still am not) understanding your comment. I consider Faeldawns post as a good one with valid points and a clear statement. I just cant find yours...

you have a difficulty expressing what you mean or understanding what it is written.

customers have @@ when they don't lower their standard if they like some aspects of the product.
they may like it, but they don't fool themselves when its clear the product doesn't worth.
in the end, they will cancel sub even if they do like it.
and that takes @@ imo.


ps. no matter how long you delay an unfinished job, its still unfinished...

 

[old.Tohtori]

you have a difficulty expressing what you mean or understanding what it is written.

customers have @@ when they don't lower their standard if they like some aspects of the product.
they may like it, but they don't fool themselves when its clear the product doesn't worth.
in the end, they will cancel sub even if they do like it.
and that takes @@ imo.


ps. no matter how long you delay an unfinished job, its still unfinished...

Still, what's your point when he wasn't bashing AoC for grinding, as in, he was saying there's no grind in AoC.

And customers don't have AT-ATs when they say "i dun like this" about a product they bloody well know will be "grinding" because it's an MMO.

Anyone who buys an MMO thinking "No grind! woho!", is delusional. No AT-ATs there.

 

[Faeldawn]

Still, what's your point when he wasn't bashing AoC for grinding, as in, he was saying there's no grind in AoC.

And customers don't have AT-ATs when they say "i dun like this" about a product they bloody well know will be "grinding" because it's an MMO.

Anyone who buys an MMO thinking "No grind! woho!", is delusional. No AT-ATs there.

Might have been a bit misleading here.

I didn't mean there was no grinding in AoC, what i meant was that killing mobs is not necessarily grinding IF the player is enjoying what they are doing (and it seems a lot of AoC players just love the combat system). Once players are forced to kill mobs because thats the only way to level and they are doing it for no other reason (i.e. not enjoying the process, but doing it because thats all they can do) then it can be considered a grind.

It's all a matter of opinion, one mans grind is another mans fun.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Might have been a bit misleading here.

I didn't mean there was no grinding in AoC, what i meant was that killing mobs is not necessarily grinding IF the player is enjoying what they are doing (and it seems a lot of AoC players just love the combat system). Once players are forced to kill mobs because thats the only way to level and they are doing it for no other reason (i.e. not enjoying the process, but doing it because thats all they can do) then it can be considered a grind.

It's all a matter of opinion, one mans grind is another mans fun.

Aye. Just thought you were in the "fun" camp

It is fun though, i enjoy more going out on a rampage on some evildoers and slash them up with no reason at all, MORE, then i enjoyed WoWs quests.

You know the ones, kill 3million dragonlings to get 1 tooth.

WoW quests were nothing but grind really.

While in AoC, kill 10 things to get 10 things.

 

[Robfails]

i've browsed this forum without signing up since a little before the release of AoC. mainly because at work its the only website to do with AoC that isn't blocked! Recently it just seems that everyone is complaining. You don't have to play the game if you don't like it. I'm sure it won't miss you lol.

Try to make more constructive posts to help others Instead of saying how the patch affects classes and combos you cry like the carebears on WoW. Video games aren't that important... oh no he didn't. I like to learn and saying funcom fail is just not cricket. Wish i didnt roll guardian though! Overeach is pants now. Need to spec out of it. Still like tanking stuff. I keep the many aggros!

On a slightly camp note I think the game is quite picturesque <3

 

[old.Tohtori]

Recently it just seems that everyone is complaining. You don't have to play the game if you don't like it. I'm sure it won't miss you lol.

Yeah, that's why we try to get rid of that aspect. There's actually two or three peopel complaining, but damn they ot loud mouths

 

[Robfails]

Just lame as this passes the last hour before i go home I'm a slacker.

I don't mind the leveling. Took me 6 months on and off to get to 60 on WoW when that first came out. 48 now and hardly played lol.

Wins tbh. Quests are lacking but then it would just be too easy to get to 80. Gotta enjoy the ride. Also the gore and stuff helps<3

What is the minimum level for tombs? really itching to get in there.