Pad Camping

[Xtro]

quote...

"There are many who try, but who else can rack up between 50-80 fags in a game." from Kurt_Angle

I dunno Cuba can easily rack up fags, thats probably why he is in BR .

 

[Fergus]

He may be able to rake up the fags, but remember thats been over a 2 year period.

Its only Kings like you that can take up 50-80 fags in an evening.

/me hands out the vaseline.........

 

[old.Hobbes^^]

One nice example of being good about helping heavies. Playing "Ice Bound"

First off, I didn't bother with getting my loadout, I just got a transport at the start of the game and told them it was ready.

Everyone waited for the transport to load up with 5 heavies. I then ferried them to the first tower, where all 5 went in and raped the base and captured. Finish time, 1 minute.

Also did it on Caladra. Used the same transport for the whole game and I was continually transporting heavies into thier base.

Btw, anyone notice that the Transport sometimes wants to auto correct when you try to fly normal? I try to turn left sometimes and it doesn't move.

 

[old.KmA_MANTIS]

I know what you mean about the Transport auto correct m8. Each vehicle has its own attribute for self stabilisation that is controlled server side I believe.

I wouldnt complain - the thing handles like santas god damn sledge anyway.

 

[Moving Target]

Gimme the good ol' T1 Scout anyday...those were the day [turns into a dream sequence...]

 

[old.KmA_MANTIS]

I was a ren 2k player in T1 and the scout owned.

I could fly around for a whole map without getting shot down just using its onboard chainguns to rip lamers to bits.

oh for renegades...

I wish they'd hurry up making it.

 

[Custy]

/me hates the t1 scout uke:

You couldn't turn upside down and the missiles were so hard to aim.

 

[Moving Target]

But it was extremely quick and is better than the shrike or the grav-cycle

 

[old.Zenith]

There is one side to this discussion that hasn't been mentioned yet.

It is all very well saying "shoot the bomber off the pad" or "get in and move the bomber off the pad". Hell, you could do something useful like (gulp!) pilot the bomber.

Then there is the guy who gets in, pilots the bomber to the enemy base and promptly gets shot out of the sky. Or someone who gets in, pilots the bomber only for all his passengers to bail out at the first sign of a lock-on. That same pilot is the one likely to get flamed for being "a n00b" or receive the usual comment "Get some piloting skillz!".

It's swings and roundabouts... heavies waiting for a lift get flamed for "pad camping". Lights who get a shrike or a gravbike are seen as "not working with the team". Then if someone DOES take the bomber out, they usually get flamed for poor piloting.

It's a no-win situation, and it is why I hardly use vehicles. I may occasionally get a gravbike, but that's about it.
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-Zenith-

Providing ShockLance treatment since April 2001

 

[old.KmA_MANTIS]

I think you just gotta look at the big picture.

If theres a dumb heavy sat on the pad saying "i need a ride" over and over and it would do no good to take him there - just ignore the idiot or move his plane.

But if it would do some good to take him there, then do it - dont do a one man shrike rambo mission and get shot to bits by the same turrets that got you last time.

What you think is best for the team, no matter how long you been playing, is not allways right.

Use some judgment.

If that poor heavy has been sat there since the last time you ignored him - do him a favour and pick him up. Even if he is a no skill lamer, what would you shoot at? The light or the heavy? Use the guy as a bullet sponge. He gets his fun - you get yours.

Simple.

 

[Trebz]

heh, I thought i'd see it from the other perspective last night so while I was playing recalascence (sp?) I went heavy and asked for a ride. Well, first time I did it i managed to get a lift, yay! 2nd time I couldn't get in the damn transport cos the guy kept moving it (ok, so he took it off the pad, good lad, but it kinda helps if they then stop moving). Another time I asked for a ride and someone responded "sure, im coming" well while this guy was coming someone came to the pad and bought a bomber, i though ok cool, i'll sit in tailgun and the other guy can bomb....noooooooooooo....the fool only went and sat in the tailgunner seat didnt he!! I couldn't help myself other than crack up laughing....

 

[fatgit]

Originally posted by Trebz
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghghghghghg!!!!!

Why do people INSIST on buying a bomber or a transport, and sitting in a none-driver seat WAITING for someone to come fly them off? It gets on my tits soooo much, you start a game and rush to the pad to buy a shrike to go on a quick flag run only to find some fat arse heavy sat in the tail seat of a bomber begging for a ride. It pisses me off big time.. My only solution is to leap into the drivers seat and move em, or, some wont like me for this...shoot the damn thing off the pad. People have complained at me about this but i REFUSE to sit and wait because some guy cant be bothered to fly his own ship. It just really frustrates me, you get so many peons just fannying about with vehicles..they should lock it down so only lights can buy a vehicle and it puts em straight into the pilot seat...

bloody newbies (cough, sorry sas )

Why do people INSIST on discing a bomber out of the way and buying a shrike, instead of jumping in and taking an empty seat ?
It gets on my tits soooo much that you rush off to the pad, get a bomber, jump in the pilot seat and all the tossers grab shrikes to go & grab the flag because they can't play a tactical team game. It pisses me off bigtime

My only solution is to jump out & nick the idiots shrike and ditch it. It really frustrates me all these glory boyz that cant handle a real vehicle so they queue up like lemmings because they MUST touch that flag.

They should lock it down so if theres a bomber with a free seat, someone buying a shrike is glued into the bombers seat

bloody one man ego armies

ps. disc an occupied vehicle while IM on server, you get 1 warning then a kick for being a TKing tosser

 

[Moving Target]

 

[Trebz]

can you kick admins?

As I pointed out though, you keep going on about this one-man flag grabbing egomaniacs...well what about all these one-man bombing frenzy freaks, or a heavy who wants to rape their base. Or are they ok because they are buying a vehicles that carries more than one person and therefore enhances "teamplay". Teamplay is jack shit on pubbies and its not just the one-man flag grabbing whores that spoil it.

 

[old.zach]

‘bloody one man ego armies’

bollox if someone on your team grabs the flag and asks for support, you have to get a shrike over to him ASAP.

Same if someone grabs your flag, you can buy a shrike and go and chaise him or you can sit on the back of a bomber and do fuk all.

On the other hand if someone buys a havok moves it off the pad and says ‘gunship ready’ its quite likely I’ll will go heavy and jump in.

But this thread isn’t about people who do that its about people who want to be the gunner, who buy bombers and sit in the gunners position and wait for someone to fly them over so that can spam all the ships energy leaving the pilot no jet/shield so the bomber is shot down long before it can do any damage.

[cF]NeaRly

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Originally posted by Trebz


Teamplay is jack shit on pubbies and its not just the one-man flag grabbing whores that spoil it.

And how! Iv'e been making this point for ages, just glad somebody else has finally pointed it out. Iv'e given up team play in tribes, it simply doesn't happen. and due to other comitments iv'e now got, i simply ain't got the time to play for a tribe either despite many requests iv'e had through the in game mailing system.


Here are a couple of yesterdays crimes: I have the flag at are base, im battling an nme player, which im winning, and never gona lose, next up 3 dick shit heavys start firing mortars at me Amazing feat, i somehow survive

Next up, this fool of a player, started chasing me on his grav bike when i was bringing home the flag, and NO he wasn't trying to give me the bike, just trying to run me over (same team btw in case you were wondering) After about 4 atempts he manages to pull it off What made me real mad about that was the fact it was 3-3 in scores, and the wanker didn't even bother to pick up the flag Just carry on playing run over people on his bike.

 

[old.Crunchy]

Simple solution: If you want to wait for ppl buy the bomber and move it off the pad. You don't have to move far to be out of the way. Often times when I do this I gently jet towards the base and then you get ppl jump in. If ppl then cotton on that your a good pilot they then start to fight for places on the bomber .

 

[old.Shinara]

What exactly do ppl have against cappers?? On CTF isn't that the point?? I agree that you should not tk anyone for getting the bomber and sitting in it (happened the other night) someone bought a bomber and sat in it on the pad for 5 minutes because no-one wanted to go bombing, all they had to do was move a bit so others could use it. I appreciate that someone could have got in but no-one wanted to. Also what about the ppl who just constantly bomb the wrong area? You ask them to bomb the flag area on Slapdash as it is heavily turreted but no its more fun bombing the nme pad and getting huge kills? Also as said earlier i can't pilot for shit so why should i wait for 5 minutes for someone to pilot the bomber/havoc because ppl want to mortar/bomb the crap out of the nme, should i learn to keep them happy?? The point is, that it is a team game and on any server on any night you have a mixture of skills/needs and these do not always work out in the best interests of the team.....Thats life move onto another server or make the best of it.

 

[old.Mote\/]

People dont have anything against cappers, they just have something against lone gunman rambo wannabies who ignore the teamplay based nature of the game and ATTEMPT to capture the flag on there own without giving there pilot support etc. to heavies who then clear out enemy turrets & defenders allowing REAL flag cappers to then go in and get out alive with the enemy flag, i.e. teamwork.

Lone gunman rambo wannabie cappers on the other hand, ignore the 3 heavies waiting at the vehicle pad and repedivitly buy a shrike, head over to the enemy base, kill a couple of newbies who in effect are mere decoys due to their lack of the ability to kill. Then the lone gunman rambo wannabie capper proceeds on to the enemy flag, trying to pick up as much skiing speed as possible as they can't hope to actually use skill to kill defenders so they hope that while going 200 kph atleast one time out of a hundred flag runs they might actually catch a defender off guard or lagging and may sneak away with a cheap and pointless cap.

Basically the point of CTF is to obtain the enemy flag through good play on behalf of the capper AND his teammates, not just because the capper is willing to waist large amounts of his free time throwing himself at the enemy flag again and again hoping that at the moment of his attack the defenders will be subject to a tker/lag/newbies/something else that disqualifies the cap from the well earned catagory.

 

[old.Shinara]

without this turning into a flame which seems pointless based on the fact that its just a game....are you saying that all "real" cappers have to be able to pilot a shrike/bomber/havoc? I can't pilot any of them! i've always been crap at it even on T1 and including all those games like I-war and Homeworld. Does this make me a wannebe? I always try to play as part of a team and will always defend if we have no defenders or repair turrets/gens. I don't think that it is fair to say that all cappers that don't fly are rambo wannabies. I agree its pointless throwing yourself at the flag just to die over and over again. It is just as pointless to keep bombing the same spot over and over when it does not bebefit the team. It appears that this subject will just keep going round and round. In the perfect world (game) you get a balance of players that compliment each other. In a pub game (75% of the time???) you get a poor mix and you just have to do what you can and enjoy yourself. looking forward to the other 25%? that is a joy to play for the teamwork that goes on.

 

[old.KmA_MANTIS]

Originally posted by Mote\/
People dont have anything against cappers, they just have something against lone gunman rambo wannabies who ignore the teamplay based nature of the game and ATTEMPT to capture the flag on there own without giving there pilot support etc. to heavies who then clear out enemy turrets & defenders allowing REAL flag cappers to then go in and get out alive with the enemy flag, i.e. teamwork.

Lone gunman rambo wannabie cappers on the other hand, ignore the 3 heavies waiting at the vehicle pad and repedivitly buy a shrike, head over to the enemy base, kill a couple of newbies who in effect are mere decoys due to their lack of the ability to kill. Then the lone gunman rambo wannabie capper proceeds on to the enemy flag, trying to pick up as much skiing speed as possible as they can't hope to actually use skill to kill defenders so they hope that while going 200 kph atleast one time out of a hundred flag runs they might actually catch a defender off guard or lagging and may sneak away with a cheap and pointless cap.

Basically the point of CTF is to obtain the enemy flag through good play on behalf of the capper AND his teammates, not just because the capper is willing to waist large amounts of his free time throwing himself at the enemy flag again and again hoping that at the moment of his attack the defenders will be subject to a tker/lag/newbies/something else that disqualifies the cap from the well earned catagory.

W3RD!

 

[old.Mote\/]

Shinara, I don't mean that at all and I'll explain why

firstly If I did, it would mean I think all cappers are lone gunman rambo wannabie cappers as some maps don't even have vehicles.

Sure, some pub games feature almost no teamwork at all but they are very rare and completely beside the point of this thread.

I'm talking about the sort of people who arragently persume that there is no teamwork at all and so from there first spawn go about the game actively ignoring teamwork. I say this is beside the whole point of this entire thread because its based on a result of the existance of teamwork(i.e. the purchasing of a passenger carrying vehicle, sure buying a bomber doesn't amount to clan match style 1337 teamwork but its a start). The fact that someone is willing to wait 5 secs for a couple of teammates so that they will most probably amount a productive attack is something to be encouraged.


Just because you don't use a bomber to attack everytime doesn't mean you the hideous creature described before, but having an almost total ignorance to respect the existance of the other 15 people on your team that makes you a lone gunman rambo wannabie capper.

IMO anyway