Ownage

[old.Charonel]

Ownage Ranger, Keepers Of The Light, lvl45, rp's: 70,328, Scout, Saracen, fletching 409,

i hearby say sorry matey. the only reason why i'm not quite so sympathetic about this as i should be is that it happens to my ranger in thidranki a lot too

ownage shot my bt in emain today just south of amg...he then proceeded to miss another two shots, then have pbt block the fourth...it's...quite...sick...

what was worse was that we didnt even stop to kill him, we were heading to mmg so it seemed like too much of a detour for a harmless threat

please fix archers, kthxbye

 

[Shaz][]

Threads like this will get archers nerfed again...

(work with my logic)

 

[old.Charonel]

Originally posted by Shaz][
(work with my logic)

i think i'm gonna have too

 

[Shaz][]

Ok

Right now, as it is (I play a ranger btw), scouts and rangers seem fine. Hunters...need fixing, but otherwise the dmg rocks. Now...you fix whatever fluke this was...then all of a sudden we're overpowered.

Out come the nerfs...

 

[Aussie-]

I don't know if it's true but Archers gets nerfed again in 1.56.

45%-60% Miss rate :|
(imagen what it will be with pbt ^^)

 

[old.Charonel]

it's not really much of a fluke though... i've seen sooo many archers hit nothing but air that's its depressing, i've also heared that you have a better hit rate at lower lvl's, and it's not uncommon for me to miss 4 times in a row without even having to contend with bt on my ranger, that's with capped dex, max recurve bow and path at 1 lvl lower than my ranger is, sometimes i've even missed 9 times in a row, and there's no such thing as pbt in thid .

and if that's BETTER hit rates, and remember that mythic are going to drop hit rates and increase fumbles AGAIN soon... fix archers

nice logic though

P.S. yes aussie, mythic themselves have said that archer hit rates and fumble increases are made even worse in 1.56

 

[Aussie-]

1.55

Miss 27%
Fumble 22%

1.56

Miss 45%
Fumble 10%

 

[old.Charonel]

so it goes from a total of dud shots in 1.55 being 49%, to a total in 1.56 of 55%....

something about them thinking that a 49% screwed shots rate is overpowered and needs nerfing is a bit annorying.

 

[Hatt]

ownage is ownage

 

[censi]

Miss 45%
Fumble 10%

OMG...

Deeply shocking....

See so many posts here about people complaining of class defciences, and I know Im always rambling on about how badly Archers have been nerfed...

All I can say is that, we were once the most deadly class in the game but have now been reduced to the worst.....

Things are bad enough now in grp RVR with PBT, that increased miss rate is trully taking the piss...

Like I was saying roughly 95% of all mid grps you come against have PBT (some double pbt) about 80% of alb grps seem to have it..

Say rangers will have a draw time of 3 seconds on average (though using short bows for grp RVR is a neccesity almost now)
You will get a 50 %( or 1 in 2) miss rate from PBT and now a 55% miss/fumble rate with that...

Realistically you will only be doing any damage about 1 in 4 shots u fire (2 if you get lucky) And thats using a short bow, so damage is going to be feeble.

Theres not really much point to archers any more.....

MYTHIC have gone absolutly fecking MAD...

The only real ranged damage dealers are nukers, do they have to pub up with fumbles misses and PBT? Mythic saw it fix to give them a self BT to stop us using our Crit on them..

Im pretty sure Mythic think they know what they are doing.... but in reality they do not know how to balance the classes...

archers need some major lov...


You could understand all this nerfing if we had massive damage dealing capabilities, but even without (P)BT our damage dealing with the bow is feeble unless we're shooting cloth wearers...

<sigh>

whine out.

 

[old.Odysseus]

and after missing/fumbling 50%+ of our shots ... we are subject to melee resists.

wonder how casters would whine about getting this message:
"You cast the Annihilate Alb Zerg spell. You fumble the attack and take time to recover"

or how about:
"You cast the Insta AoE mezz Alb Zerg. You miss."


Guess I'm just a bit frustrated.

 

[loxleyhood]

No..... more...... nerfs.....

What?..... GOA......? You want my bow? But...... I need...... it!

>Breaks down crying<

 

[Aussie-]

no need to cry archers, casters can cry with us
http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=41369391&replies=6

%D

 

[lac_desariel]

Casters or more to the point wizzys do get those messages

You bolt was bolcked... by what i s ask can blot a 6Ft ball of fire?

You missed but im stood 2 ft away

your resisted

and if a archer class could pass the BT then us caster on all realm cant do nothing to save our selfves and we all ready die fast enough, and in fantasy worlds whats the more powerfull? magic or mortal weapons?

 

[censi]

I think rangers are fine versus mages....

However Archer classes can do little or nothing to chain scale or plate wearers... this is without even taken into consideration PBT or melee resists...

If Mythic are going to increase the miss chance upto 45% they have to really give us a lot more damage... mages can nuke tanks for 500+ not to mention all the other bags of tricks they get (stuns mezzes dots speed root etc etc etc)

What you find most playing an archer is as soon as your grp hits combat you are desperatly searching for the mages and praying you get past pbt, and you dont miss or fumble, or he doesnt have seft BT on, and hope he has low slash resist etc.....

I guess our biggest advantage is popping into stealth just as inital engagement starts this, gives us time to pick our targets and let rip... but like I say you basically have to go for mages and stealth classes, ne thing else you wont harm even slightley

 

[Tranquil-]

<cries>

<pauses>

<hugs Charonel>

<cries>

 

[old.Charonel]

<hands a box of kleenex to tranquil >

there there..... <hugs>

 

[Negura`]

Charonel update your signature your lvl 50 now

 

[old.Charonel]

i am?...er....hmmmm WOOOHOOO!

<is puzzled >

 

[Negura`]

er... im sure i grouped with you and it said 50 rofl maybe i was mistaken \o/

 

[Avi N'dor]

Too lazy to read all this but YES, unnerf archers

It's sad to be ignored while shooting with a bow. Why, because of this: miss/pbt/miss/block/pbt/miss/oo hit for 190(-40), miss... The rest of us dead so the odd mage sends 2*600dmg bolts to fry me. /release.

 

[Cowled]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
No..... more...... nerfs.....

What?..... GOA......? You want my bow? But...... I need...... it!

>Breaks down crying<

We can always throw with sticks, implanted in 1.72, which we get in the year 2007!

God im sick of crying about scout-nerf..

Roll an inf, or friar.

Friar > all

I'm a scout, I don't rvr - i fletch!

 

[Olgark]

The archery skill in EQ is turing out to be better than Camelots archers. Ok maybe not as bad a DAoC yet but getting there.

PBT should be caster only and not group in my own views as with two synced PBT on a 5 sec chant this means it will pulse once every 2 to 3 secs from each caster. Most draw times are 3 secs guess what our arrows will miss all the time with a heavy bow.


Archers are meant to be feared and deadly as one well placed arrow would kill a wizard in most situations without some sort of defense.
We dont bring anything to a group in PvE which makes us solo alot during our EXPing now they are going to up the fumble/miss rate this will make it impossible to level up a archer class unless they have got a strong guild behind them.


Mythic might as well delete the archer classes and be done with it, and I think I might as well level up my little shadowblade and runemaster as the game now revolves round them a lot more and have a better chance at surviving. Pitty I got to soon put my hunter into retierment as I do love the class.

 

[cyan_daoc]

Originally posted by censi
... mages can nuke tanks for 500+ not to mention all the other bags of tricks they get (stuns mezzes dots speed root etc etc etc)

mages get pretty much nerfed when spellcrafting comes..im already doing crap dmg now and having probs to take tanks down...and what comes to CC spells and stun ..they will be next to useless soon

wish i could spec staff and parry.. :uhoh:

 

[quinthar]

I partially block bolts from Mobs when I have my shield readied, I guess its possible that you can partially block players' bolts too??

Pity I havnt found one that blocks aoe tho

Nerf the chanters, my lvl 20 chanter can do 5 yellows ffs..summat wrong with that...

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Aussie-
1.55

Miss 27%
Fumble 22%

1.56

Miss 45%
Fumble 10%

got a source on this?

(methinks it might be the Mythic Random Number generator, it being random you get streaks of bad luck/good luck)

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.Odysseus
and after missing/fumbling 50%+ of our shots ... we are subject to melee resists.

wonder how casters would whine about getting this message:
"You cast the Annihilate Alb Zerg spell. You fumble the attack and take time to recover"

or how about:
"You cast the Insta AoE mezz Alb Zerg. You miss."


Guess I'm just a bit frustrated.

don't get fumbles but you do get.

You cast Molten Pool.
Suchandsuch resists the effect.

in the same percentage as misses.

 

[old.Charonel]

Originally posted by quinthar
I partially block bolts from Mobs when I have my shield readied, I guess its possible that you can partially block players' bolts too??

every time, every single time you bolt someone witha shield,

xxxx partially blocks your attack, you hit for 22 (-35) damage!

main probs are plate wearers with shields, you CANNOT bolt a paladin , just doesnt work, bolts do nothing ot people in good armour as it is, iwth the shield knocking HUGE amounts of damage off....

at lvl 32 in odin's i was being camped at hpk, bolting yellow con casters for 420damage (my cap at the time) and one hit killing them all, i hit yellow con platewearing shield tanks in the same group of albs for just under 60 damage, its' a waste of time bolting anything other than mages, assassins, archers, totally.

 

[Flimgoblin]

bolts are long range caster-killers..
they're there to kill chanters (who don't have quite the range)

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.Charonel

at lvl 32 in odin's i was being camped at hpk, bolting yellow con casters for 420damage (my cap at the time) and one hit killing them all, i hit yellow con platewearing shield tanks in the same group of albs for just under 60 damage, its' a waste of time bolting anything other than mages, assassins, archers, totally.

In caledonia I hope otherwise those casters seriously need some con buffs or something, or the hideous wracking diseases cured