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Ive only heard of PEing doing very well

 

[Klonk]

And alb 1fg's get to practice on those l33+ mid/hib 1fg's also, and with there being more rvr groups in mid/hib logically that would mean that the albion 1fg get more practice right?

They should have little trouble finding fg's they can practice on, correct

But like domain you miss the glaring fact that alb has groups that run as 1fg also, and since mid/hibs claim to run as 1fg more often and thats why they have "mad skillz" surely albion fg's would get the best practice? no?, they would come up against more 1fg enemies to help perfect their gameplay. Yet why is it alb 1fg's die alot more often to the other realms?

I don't miss the fact that albs have groups that run 1fg. Read my previous posts, I say that not all albs zerg, give more alb fg's, and some of the guilds I mentioned are alb guilds that most often run 1fg.

So you are saying that you zerg because you can't win fg vs fg due to class imbalances? Two things then:
i) why bring big zerg, why not bring 1.5fg/2fg? (I am not saying you _always_ bring zerg, but it happens, and I can't understand that)

ii) if we assume that alb classes suck, why is the number of alb guilds that are tough to beat roughly equal to the number of hib guilds that are hard to beat? I mean, it's not like all alb fg's suck... FC were hard before toa imo, so were Royal Bavarians and Apocalypse Dudes, and the caster groups with Zoyster/Outlaw killed us fg vs fg. And on Prydwen, PE rox (on paper at least, never played vs them) Funny that some albs are able to play well and beat anyone with these classes. Maybe albs on excal have done a good job convincing themselves that theyt do less good cuz of bad starting point (classes) rather than dedication to the game, I dunno. This is not meant as a flame or sarcasm, btw, just some thoughts.

Edit: excactly Neo, this is my question too.

 

[Edaemos]

Just a honest question here. How come so many Alb grps on prydwen are doing so great if Albion is so much weaker ? :touch:

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Only ever seen PE do well and i clearly remember a post by them on the prydwen rvr forum stating they wouldn't rvr while mids held the melee relics

 

[vintervargen]

This answer will help me guage on whether or not there is any point replying to you

first of all i got the impression you felt this way about albs since the start of daoc. most know its a fact albs got it harder after toa;

• pbaoer's lack utility,
• tanks with sos still cant break through bodyguard (even tho they should be able to take down a few targets fast cause the bodyguarder cant keep up without speed),
• ministrels are good for interrupts, but with sorcs/theurgs and banelords they are not longer needed, and therefor the group might be without a sojourner,
• friars (heat/cold resists) doesnt bring any utility to the group (another BG tank without deter is hardly what you want),
• a body/mind sorc and ice theurg could do good dmg with debuffs, but sorc is also responsible for CC, thus got less time for debuffing.

so in answer to your question, pre toa i know we won cause we were better, post toa i havnt met a single of the alb rvr GGs (except AD which as expected didnt turn out as hard as before toa :/), so i dont think anything

 

[Bracken]

when I die to zerg I could not have done anything else to prevent my death. .

This shows your complete lack of understanding of the current alb position. For our perspective, you can replace the word "zerg" with a hib/mid gg. We can do everything right, but because our groups just dont have the utility of the equivalent mid/hib group we will still lose. The most we can usually hope for is to take a few down with us. Makes me laugh when people say oh get this, get that, learn tactics etc etc, because what they fail to realise is that often that dont make the slightest bit of difference to the outcome. A shame, because for the patch pre-toa it was much more balanced....which is why PRE-TOA, you will have met alb groups who could compete....

 

[Derric]

Only ever seen PE do well and i clearly remember a post by them on the prydwen rvr forum stating they wouldn't rvr while mids held the melee relics

One member's post doesn't always reflect what the entire guild thinks.

 

[Edaemos]

I don't miss the fact that albs have groups that run 1fg. Read my previous posts, I say that not all albs zerg, give more alb fg's, and some of the guilds I mentioned are alb guilds that most often run 1fg.

So you are saying that you zerg because you can't win fg vs fg due to class imbalances? Two things then:
i) why bring big zerg, why not bring 1.5fg/2fg? (I am not saying you _always_ bring zerg, but it happens, and I can't understand that)

I don't say i zerg at all, im talking class/realm imbalances 1fg vs 1fg, as for the zerg issue, i used to play mid/excal, i know for a fact that morning>around tea time there was alot of mid groups in emain, alot more than alb/hib, many times we ran past amg yelling "lame idiots" to those mids camping amg as we knew what would happen, albs would try and rvr, they would find 2-3 mid fg's running amg<>atk and another 2fg mids + solo people at amg.

Many times we stopped rvring in the day because there was too many mids in emain. When tea time comes albs population tends to boom, if those mids/hibs are still camping atk<>amg and a couple of fg at amg its going to create frustration and most likely a zerg.

ii) if we assume that alb classes suck, why is the number of alb guilds that are tough to beat roughly equal to the number of hib guilds that are hard to beat? I mean, it's not like all alb fg's suck... FC were hard before toa imo, so were Royal Bavarians and Apocalypse Dudes, and the caster groups with Zoyster/Outlaw killed us fg vs fg. And on Prydwen, PE rox (on paper at least, never played vs them) Funny that some albs are able to play well and beat anyone with these classes. Maybe albs on excal have done a good job convincing themselves that theyt do less good cuz of bad starting point (classes) rather than dedication to the game, I dunno. This is not meant as a flame or sarcasm, btw, just some thoughts.

Edit: excactly Neo, this is my question too.

This is based before ToA in one of the more balanced patches, if you wanna talk pre toa lets talk about savage/La era, i was middy during them also, i know exactly how easy it was to kill 2x your numbers, in those times farming albs/hibs was easy, only time an alb group posed any threat then was with bof and sos up.

As for PE yes i heard they were good also, but i also saw them saying on prydwen rvr forums they wouldn't rvr while mids held str relics, that kinda summed it up for me about the "great" alb/prydwen groups. Also on prydwen they don't have as many dedicated rvr groups.

Tell me this also, why during the LA/savage era did my group kill high RR hibs quite easy? most of us were <rr6 at the time and we killed hib groups consistiing of mainly rr7+ people?

Talk to me post ToA about class/realm balance btw

 

[Edaemos]

so in answer to your question, pre toa i know we won cause we were better, post toa i havnt met a single of the alb rvr GGs (except AD which as expected didnt turn out as hard as before toa :/), so i dont think anything

Why did the mid groups i played in during LA/savage era kill high rr hibs/albs with ease? is this due to our supreme skill as they were all much higher rr than us?

There seems to be alot of hib/mids referring to pre toa patches to back up thier claims.

 

[Bracken]

I've seen the light. I now see that infact when we rolled Albion, the small amount of skill required to play the game was taken from us. We are inferior in all respects, condemned to play as hapless zergers and lacking any of the skillz and tictacz of our friends in Hibernia and Midgard.

Our only consolation is that our penises are bigger and our women cuter. Small comfort indeed

 

[Klonk]

This shows your complete lack of understanding of the current alb position. For our perspective, you can replace the word "zerg" with a hib/mid gg. We can do everything right, but because our groups just dont have the utility of the equivalent mid/hib group we will still lose. The most we can usually hope for is to take a few down with us. Makes me laugh when people say oh get this, get that, learn tactics etc etc, because what they fail to realise is that often that dont make the slightest bit of difference to the outcome. A shame, because for the patch pre-toa it was much more balanced....which is why PRE-TOA, you will have met alb groups who could compete....

Ofc I don't know the alb situation 100%, I am a mid ^^

If your answer to my question ii) is: those groups you mention were only good pre-toa, it's not entirely correct. These groups have killed us after toa too. My question still remains, why do some albs do so much better-than-average?

Btw, if it is class imbalance that causes this (I am not saying it isn't), what does it have to do with toa? toa didn't alter any class afaik?

 

[vintervargen]

Why did the mid groups i played in during LA/savage era kill high rr hibs/albs with ease? is this due to our supreme skill as they were all much higher rr than us?

There seems to be alot of hib/mids referring to pre toa patches to back up thier claims.

how come our (RRs) tank group killed atrocity/blizzard/BC frequently when they were running 2-3 savages each?

then again i dont understand why you bring in mids; everyone know that savages and la zerks were insanely powerpowered.

i play hib atm, and did so against zerks/savages. during that time we (hibs) killed all alb groups with at least a 50% win ratio, from IG groups in odins vs FC/BF/TB, then with VGN in emain, then with RR bm groups.

i claim we played better then those albs, or that they didnt use their own tools the best way.

 

[Klonk]

I don't say i zerg at all, im talking class/realm imbalances 1fg vs 1fg, as for the zerg issue, i used to play mid/excal, i know for a fact that morning>around tea time there was alot of mid groups in emain, alot more than alb/hib, many times we ran past amg yelling "lame idiots" to those mids camping amg as we knew what would happen, albs would try and rvr, they would find 2-3 mid fg's running amg<>atk and another 2fg mids + solo people at amg.

"You" = tendency of albs on excal, not you as a player. Mb should have pointed that out, since this is a touchy subject

You are right about the morning rvr - there are more mids than albs at this point. The difference is tho, albs are not killed by a mid zerg. They are killed by the first of those mid fg's that find them (99% of the times).

And I am sure your discussion about LA times are interesting, but I fail to see it's relevance(sp?) here.

 

[Edaemos]

how come our (RRs) tank group killed atrocity/blizzard/BC frequently when they were running 2-3 savages each?

then again i dont understand why you bring in mids; everyone know that savages and la zerks were insanely powerpowered.

i play hib atm, and did so against zerks/savages. during that time we (hibs) killed all alb groups with at least a 50% win ratio, from IG groups in odins vs FC/BF/TB, then with VGN in emain, then with RR bm groups.

So savages/LA was class/realm imbalances and we didn't win because of our skillz? oh glad you cleared that up, kinda proves what i have been saying all along right.

i claim we played better then those albs, or that they didnt use their own tools the best way.

Oh so either they played crap orthey didn't use thier tools right, not ever that bof/sos was down and your class/realm utility was the cause of the victory ok........

Vinter come play albion, bring your friends, show all those rr8/9/10/11 albs how to play and maximise the use of these tools, im sure they would all be more than willing to hear your methods on winning. Join the long line of r33+ mids/hibs who have come to albion and showed us the way by owning in the masses

 

[vintervargen]

So savages/LA was class/realm imbalances and we didn't win because of our skillz? oh glad you cleared that up, kinda proves what i have been saying all along right.

is this sarcastic or not? you never know with albs..

Oh so either they played crap orthey didn't use thier tools right, not ever that bof/sos was down and your class/realm utility was the cause of the victory ok........

do you take my for a retard? when they used sos i SAW it, when they used bof i HEARD it (ventrilo), so i know very well when they had RA's up and still lost.

Vinter come play albion, bring your friends, show all those rr8/9/10/11 albs how to play and maximise the use of these tools, im sure they would all be more than willing to hear your methods on winning. Join the long line of r33+ mids/hibs who have come to albion and showed us the way by owning in the masses

do people go from alb excal because of underpoweredness, or because of the lack of decent players? guess that question never will be answered eh? just look at AD when they started to rvr, even at low RR they became twice as successfull as FC for example, by using voice com, having a clue, and using mercs that /stick ^^

and i dont know about you, but when i rvr i notice what enemy players do. and when i meet albs i always think "stupid cleric, running away from guard when hes diseased" or "retard ministrel sticking 1 support when he could interrupt 3" etc etc etc.

who were you on mid when you ran and pwned with savages?

 

[Edaemos]

"You" = tendency of albs on excal, not you as a player. Mb should have pointed that out, since this is a touchy subject

You are right about the morning rvr - there are more mids than albs at this point. The difference is tho, albs are not killed by a mid zerg. They are killed by the first of those mid fg's that find them (99% of the times).

Your right mate they aren't zerging but what usually happens or use to happen is we would be running 1fg usually between atk>amg but there wouldn't just be us doing this, there was usually 1fg NP and either 1fg RG/Atrocity/BC, there was usually 1-2fg mids camping amg.

Now an alb group leave atk, they run down the path and get jumped and killed by NP, then they see another middy fg run past also but not add, they then try again only to be killed by one of the other middy fg running atk<>amg and get added on. Then one of the 1fg would get bored and start camping atk killing anything they could, albs eventually would get pissed and start forming a zerg.

This is how i personally experienced it so often and im sure you have as a mid if you play mornings/afternoons also

And I am sure your discussion about LA times are interesting, but I fail to see it's relevance(sp?) here.

Relevence mate is that during LA/savage times we as a <rr6 group killed many of the high rr alb/hib groups with relative ease, now is this due to class/realm imbalances or l33+ skillz? ofc its class/realm imbalance. This is a point im making to vinter and the other hibs/mids who claim thier phat skillz are the reason they win, not realm/class imbalances

 

[cougar]

Acta est fabula, plaudite!

 

[Edaemos]

Anyhows this has all been said many times before. Ill leave it at that.

If anyone thinks they win clearly due to skills vs albs come show us how its done.

 

[vintervargen]

Relevence mate is that during LA/savage times we as a <rr6 group killed many of the high rr alb/hib groups with relative ease, now is this due to class/realm imbalances or l33+ skillz? ofc its class/realm imbalance. This is a point im making to vinter and the other hibs/mids who claim thier phat skillz are the reason they win, not realm/class imbalances

rr3-7 BM
rr3-7 BM
rr3-7 BM
rr3-6 hero
rr6-8 warden
rr8-10 bard
rr6-7 druid
rr6-7 druid

vs

rr3-8 savage
rr3-8 savage
rr5-9 zerk
rr5+ warrior/savage/skald
rr3-9 healer
rr3-9 healer
rr3-9 healer
rr5+ shaman

now tell me, what hib realm imbalance made us win vs the mid groups?

 

[Bracken]

Btw, if it is class imbalance that causes this (I am not saying it isn't), what does it have to do with toa? toa didn't alter any class afaik?

TOA altered group set ups, plus certain MLs affected those set ups more than others. e.g. grapple is more powerful in a hib pbaoe group than alb equivalent or mids running in mixed groups now that have far more utility than alb equivalent (savage gank squads could atleast be competed with RAs up), to give just 2 examples. Surprised you even need to ask this, thought it was obvious

 

[Clipse]

We will see what, NO and JD have to say about this, once they start RvRing

 

[Bracken]

we played better then those albs.

So true. You are better than all of us, we all suck and I'm surprised we're even allowed to play the same game as you. So now what we gonna talk about?

 

[vintervargen]

So true. You are better than all of us, we all suck and I'm surprised we're even allowed to play the same game as you. So now what we gonna talk about?

aehehaehae, i dont understand why you try to join the discussion since you havnt played in a good fg even once ;|

 

[vintervargen]

We will see what, NO and JD have to say about this, once they start RvRing

they will say mid is easier then alb after ToA, because it is. before toa is another story however.

 

[Clipse]

oh Shutup.

 

[eSo]

well in the end it's not so much about the tools, it's how you use'em.

 

[Bracken]

aehehaehae, i dont understand why you try to join the discussion since you havnt played in a good fg even once ;|

I know I suck and I wish I could be as good as you. I only join in the chats to learn from you so please don't send me away Are you as fantastic in real life too?

 

[vintervargen]

I know I suck and I wish I could be as good as you. I only join in the chats to learn from you so please don't send me away Are you as fantastic in real life too?

even better

 

[Angara]

I know I suck and I wish I could be as good as you. I only join in the chats to learn from you so please don't send me away Are you as fantastic in real life too?

grow up lol
Vinter is right and you know it.

 

[Marc]

Vintervargen, the more of your drivel I read, the more i am convinced you are a retard

irl

 

[Jika]

zoyster and outlaw are very skilled rr11 grasseaters ;(