Order the new Albion?

[Xandax]

Screenshot or it didn;t happen!

He thinks 2 dest : 1 order is even numbers you know, which is why there is no screenshot.

 

[Zagzyg]

hey... im a runie, and i usually end up being in the top 3 damage dealers on the order side....and i heal too! problem is, tanks dont rly protect the healers, so if we wanna survive, we gotta punch out some raw dps...

/QFT
Standing at the back healing, get someone beating on me, the only chance of help is from someone who dies coming back to the fight.

 

[Keata]

From my point of view(Karak Azgal) its pretty even. One thing that i've notice tho is that order seems to be highly focused on ranged attack where destruction has more tanks, specially black orcs which is a popular choice. At tier 1 Order pwned our asses good but at tier 2 its a completely different story, as the tanks level up and are able to take more damage + the healers getting better heals Order is starting to have trouble holding us back.

 

[caswallawn]

I dont know how your getting out numberd in the RVR instances as the point of the q to get in them is that they are ballenced. if there is only enough people for one group on one side you only get one group on the other and so on up to 4 groups on each side. so realy the RVR instances are one of the few places were the numbers will be perfectly ballenced unless people chicken out during the match and quit.

 

[Skaven]

Karak Hirn 90% of the Order players are retards who have tunnel vision.

I lost count the many times in a Scenario the ENTIRE order team is hacking away at the Orc tank that is being healed by the 3-4 healers while the Destruction ranged dps kills our healers.

You try telling people that the big black orc is there to soak up the damage but they still don't listen.

Also another example is in most Scenarios Order will have 3-4 healers max if that i look around and where are 2 of our healers while we are all being cut down?

They are on the ranged repeaters

Destruction PUGS are more well organised, the healers seem to realise they rolled a healer and actually HEAL.

Our Archamages?

Well lets just say a lot of them think they are Shadowpriests.

Amen.. thats exactly how im finding it, in northwatch at least. Half the time people are chopping on tanks rather than the healers that are behind them pouring heal after heal out on the tanks.. like hello, wheres your common sense guys?

Also Our healers seem to be retards.. might have to roll one myself and show them how its done.

 

[Sagafar]

I dont know how your getting out numberd in the RVR instances as the point of the q to get in them is that they are ballenced. if there is only enough people for one group on one side you only get one group on the other and so on up to 4 groups on each side. so realy the RVR instances are one of the few places were the numbers will be perfectly ballenced unless people chicken out during the match and quit.

If this is true it's really nice but I'm afraid it's not working as it should if so.

 

[thergador]

Hey peeps,

I have a feeling this may cause a few flamers to appear, but anyone else think the Order are the new Albions?

• They face equal numbers and run away
• You face them one on one and they die very quickly (even if 5 levels higher then you)
• They can only effectively kill you if they are Zerg vs 1
• And so much more

So what do you other Desto players think?

I also wouldn't mind hearing from the Order side as to what they think about their own tactics to actually win a fight!

think you will find that both side's have players have the headless chicken talents equipped but if any thing i would order seem more like hibs vastly out numbered on most servers (talking out open world not scenario base rvr), though its not quite hib as its so hard to get order working together but it is only a week in to the game so i think its a little early to start a flame war about side's just yet

 

[Zagzyg]

If this is true it's really nice but I'm afraid it's not working as it should if so.

I think one problem is when people join as a group, any spare slots are "Reserved" for a while.
But pretty much all of the scenarios I've done are 12v12, except one was 18v18 for some reason.
People are pulled off the queue to fill the reserves and drop outs, as I've joined some that are well under way at times.
I have the scenario party windows open, so a single missing player would stand out quite loudly.

 

[Thimble]

I did a fair bit of RvR today. Solo lvl 21 WP. Destro had the Monastary in Troll Country (as usual) so I thought there'd be some good fights.
Nearly every person I encountered ran away. Unless there was 2 or more. Once a lvl 21 Shammy came and I thought "Great!! should be fun". Got him to 20% health and he flee'd to the Hero. Until a Chosen jumped me and he got brave and ran out. He'd forgotten to heal himself while he was safe though...... dumb shammy. But once I was done with the shammy and turned around the Chosen was no where to be seen. I was like...

Then a lvl 20 chosen runs out of the Destro camp. I run up and hit him once. Once mind you..... on his head. He mashed flee and runs back into the camp hugging the guards. I was like...omg. I was truly dumbfounded. You are a Chosen....Cho-sen!!! You're like pure evil in plate. Kinda like a Black Orc but smarter.

If you are in a RvR zone you are clearly there to fight. So fight ffs. Don't just fight only when you have back up. IF you keep running away I'll never learn how to play my class

 

[longbow]

Hey peeps,

I have a feeling this may cause a few flamers to appear, but anyone else think the Order are the new Albions?

• They face equal numbers and run away
• You face them one on one and they die very quickly (even if 5 levels higher then you)
• They can only effectively kill you if they are Zerg vs 1
• And so much more

So what do you other Desto players think?

I also wouldn't mind hearing from the Order side as to what they think about their own tactics to actually win a fight!

In RvR I for one am quite happy to wade into far superior numbers of chaos. I know Im gonna die but I will do as much damage as I can doing so. In PQ Im far less likely to even get involved - Im usually running solo as getting a group can be difficult so I will watch and observe tactics instead for future reference.
Ive yet to face chaos 1 to 1 anywhere. There are always others that will dive in even healers will constantly spam heal even if they can see that a) Im losing or b) their comrade wants to go 1 on 1. Oh and it depends on your class and the class you are facing as to whether you die quickly. As an Ironbreaker I stand up to an orc pretty well.
Zerged? Im lucky if I get a single buff even in RvR. Its usually the chaos that are heavily buffed - good for them - their team are doing it right.
Having said all that Ive gone toe to toe witha couple of chaos lasting several minutes - both of us supportrd by a healer - noone getting anywhere fast until one of us makes a slip or somoene decided to jump in and add additional firepower.

 

[Hawkwind]

Biggest problem I've seen as a ikkle shamen (part time healer) is that the PUG's don't stay together. I've had tanks moan because they got no heals but they are miles away from main portion of the group.

 

[longbow]

Karak Hirn 90% of the Order players are retards who have tunnel vision.

I lost count the many times in a Scenario the ENTIRE order team is hacking away at the Orc tank that is being healed by the 3-4 healers while the Destruction ranged dps kills our healers.

You try telling people that the big black orc is there to soak up the damage but they still don't listen.

Also another example is in most Scenarios Order will have 3-4 healers max if that i look around and where are 2 of our healers while we are all being cut down?

They are on the ranged repeaters

Destruction PUGS are more well organised, the healers seem to realise they rolled a healer and actually HEAL.

Our Archamages?

Well lets just say a lot of them think they are Shadowpriests.

Im an Ironbreaker. For me my primary targets are and always will be the casters in RvR. If I can distract them long enough then either the tanks will come pick on me or my team will hack at them a little easier. Problem is that there are always more casters than one tank can handle.
Oh and like the big black orc - the Ironbreakers are there to soak up the damage - we do a good job of it to.

And some of our healer as as good as any Ive seen anywhere. There just isnt enough of them.

 

[Hawkwind]

Once a lvl 21 Shammy came and I thought "Great!! should be fun". Got him to 20% health and he flee'd to the Hero. Until a Chosen jumped me and he got brave and ran out. He'd forgotten to heal himself while he was safe though...... dumb shammy. But once I was done with the shammy and turned around the Chosen was no where to be seen. I was like...

As a Shamen I thought I cast heals on myself but somehow lost me as the 'secondary' target. Which was odd as I was running around solo. In the heat of battle its quite easy to get wrong especially if you've been healing others. Got the xp bonus for clicking on myself 100 x in just a couple of hours on Sunday

 

[Amelyn]

I think you die quite easily when I meet u in Talabec Dam Vepo..

5 secs tops

 

[Dakkath]

From what I've seen on Eight Peaks so far, Destruction might just be a bit brighter than Order...

Ususally, on Order we're looking at 1 healer if we're lucky (done many a scenario with none) while destruction have a decent number. Dunno why order don't like healers but hey...

 

[MephTheLaw]

Hey peeps,

I have a feeling this may cause a few flamers to appear, but anyone else think the Order are the new Albions?

• They face equal numbers and run away
• You face them one on one and they die very quickly (even if 5 levels higher then you)
• They can only effectively kill you if they are Zerg vs 1
• And so much more

So what do you other Desto players think?

I also wouldn't mind hearing from the Order side as to what they think about their own tactics to actually win a fight!

Go back and play your Chosen or Black Orcs, and look at the server que count you tool.

 

[Kev]

I must admit that in the "open" area rvr zones (chapter 9 - 11 Empire way) i have had some excellent 1v1 encounters but when the Dest players start to loose they do run away instead of taking it on the chin and i find that they dont ever move out of the warcamp unless there is at least 2 - 3 more others nearby that can assist of they get into trouble. I don't tend to run away as i find it faster to die in a rvr zone to people to get back to the WC then it is to run. I think of it as a cheap book of binding

In scenario / group combat ive never had a 1v1 as ive never really been solo. As a IronBreaker i always stay close to my healers to make sure i fuck the day of any tank that decides my casters are free RP's. and when we need to push i pop a 2H and REA my way to funzies. I quite enjoy rvr in this game even at low levels. Things DO need to be done about the server stability and the CTD issues but other then that i cant be happier.

 

[Pandemic]

Hey peeps,

I have a feeling this may cause a few flamers to appear, but anyone else think the Order are the new Albions?

• They face equal numbers and run away
• You face them one on one and they die very quickly (even if 5 levels higher then you)
• They can only effectively kill you if they are Zerg vs 1
• And so much more

So what do you other Desto players think?

I also wouldn't mind hearing from the Order side as to what they think about their own tactics to actually win a fight!

I have soloed you successfully quite a few times in Tabalec dam scenario We win/lose about 50/50 of those scenario fights. I am also rr 23 now which should indicate Order is not to bad at playing

 

[Tuppe]

Karak Hirn 90% of the Order players are retards who have tunnel vision.

I lost count the many times in a Scenario the ENTIRE order team is hacking away at the Orc tank that is being healed by the 3-4 healers while the Destruction ranged dps kills our healers.

You try telling people that the big black orc is there to soak up the damage but they still don't listen.

Also another example is in most Scenarios Order will have 3-4 healers max if that i look around and where are 2 of our healers while we are all being cut down?

They are on the ranged repeaters

Destruction PUGS are more well organised, the healers seem to realise they rolled a healer and actually HEAL.

Our Archamages?

Well lets just say a lot of them think they are Shadowpriests.

roll healer if you can do better.
game been up few days, week for pres, and allready whining lack of healers, or how bad they do job.
how many time you have say thx when you got heal?
how many time you try save groups healers butt?
do you are those dumbasses who whack tanks and let casters/healers stand peace behind?
most peeps run away chasing some tank etc, whit 20% health left, and get killed, bad heals?

easy to say some class is doing crap job, but try play one, and play it good.

 

[Vepo]

I think you die quite easily when I meet u in Talabec Dam Vepo..

5 secs tops

Really? I don't really mind if I die in the scenario I just dot everyone up and hope that I can pull off a few rend winds before I get 2 Witch Hunters trying to hump me in the butt, but I can take on a Witch Hunter 1 on 1, but 2 on 1 = me dead

 

[Vepo]

I have soloed you successfully quite a few times in Tabalec dam scenario We win/lose about 50/50 of those scenario fights. I am also rr 23 now which should indicate Order is not to bad at playing

Yeah I've noticed that you've killed me a few times, but once your dots hit me, which in my opinion need to be nerfed I can't really do much as our healers are either dpsing or are dead to throw a heal!

It's all in good fun though and I do enjoy myself and that is what counts

One of these days ... when at level 40 I'll keep an eye out for your name Pandemic

 

[Vepo]

Go back and play your Chosen or Black Orcs, and look at the server que count you tool.

Check my sig to see what class a play you tool!

 

[Downanael]

If you are Dok and you are whining how people don't fight you fuck off really

They are unkillable on 1vs for most classes.

 

[pikeh]

If you are Dok and you are whining how people don't fight you fuck off really

They are unkillable on 1vs for most classes.

Got to agree really, I beat a engi earlier. Not such a bit deal, I hear you say. Well, not until I tell you I was level 13 and he was 21. I didn't have bolster buff as this happened just outside Troll Country. (A WE joined in when he was on 15% but I was still on 60%+ hp)
I hope DoK's balance out a bit later, I don't want to be seen as a person playing the class just because it's "OP MEIGHT", rather that I love the dynamic and role they play.