Opinions on this hero spec

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old.Tzeentch

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not sure if anyone has done this before.. but...

50 CS
50 Shield
6 blades
rest in parry.. or 1h.. not sure on that ;p

discuss.
 
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boni_ofdavoid

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Considering the strength of parry in rvr, its probably quite viable. The bonus skill is gonna make the slam hurt just a bit more, which would be kinda nice.

Not much point having more than 6 in blades (or even that), you may as well use sheild styles if your gonna use a shield?
 
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old.Icebreaker

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Shield Damage Output sux bigtime :D

But 50 Shield is very good for guarding other Group Member.

Oh and there is no hard cap for blocks. Got 66 + mob3 in shield now and its like perma moc for the one i guard :p
 
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foolou

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omg icebreaker .. don't say that loud or they gonna nerf you
 
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Whandall

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/em puts out the golden nerfbat and cleans it
 
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Kobold

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can't see much point going 50 CS and shield tho, as you get little from it when above 50 and none of em got any v good styles at 50. But might work good tho, donno ;)

I still like 50 LW 42 shield 39 parry 6 blade best...
 
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WIZ@RD_of_W@R

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My spec is 50LW 42shield 39Parry 6bladeswith +14 on all specs due to RR and items. TBH I think that's a very good spec for a Hero Using shield the blockrate is very nice and when using LW the parry rate is awesome as well in PvE as in RVR. Even though many say parry is gimped in rvr I don't entirely agree as I do Parry a lot and always am able to squeeze in a parry chain (did 3 chains in 1 round fighting Athlon in the duel tourney =P). So as conclusion I say parry 28 is lacking a bit, but ask champs for info on that as most are specced LW 50 Valour 50 parry 28. If I were you I would go CS/LW 50 shield 42 parry 39 blades 6.
 
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Gahldir

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considering how little you parry as a hero, droping 11 parry for 8 shield might be worth it.

in RvR i don't get attacked from my front that often, and therefor I rarely parry. think I am gonna try this out ;)

edit: parry, not block ;)
 
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old.Tzeentch

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thats exactly the thing, being able to switch from pure defense to pure offense

and parry is a pain anyway i think, there is tracking spear chain off parry in CS, if i have my spear out im gonna look at damage, not some chance to parry.. also you cant parry etc from all angles

+brutalise is very, very, very sweet imo <level 50 reactive stun off block, shield style>
 
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StormriderX

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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
not sure if anyone has done this before.. but...

50 CS
50 Shield
6 blades
rest in parry.. or 1h.. not sure on that ;p

discuss.

With this template you should go for 10 blades since you've only got enough points for 27 parry and no left overs (only get enough points for 28 if you spec 0 blades)
 
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Amadon

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Originally posted by old.Icebreaker
Shield Damage Output sux bigtime :D

But 50 Shield is very good for guarding other Group Member.

Oh and there is no hard cap for blocks. Got 66 + mob3 in shield now and its like perma moc for the one i guard :p
stop crafting ffs and come rvr with me - I hate only being useful once every 30 minutes :p
 
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old.Xanthian

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My Hero (currently lv42) will be 50 Blunt, 50 Shield, 6 Blade(doh), rest parry.
And with the SC kit will be +11 Blunt +11 Parry and +7 Shield.
Not really a great rvr dmg dealer, but more of a defensive tank, good for pve raids which is why I made her in the 1st place.

50 CS, 50 Shield sounds viable imo, although LW is much better than CS atm, dmg wise.
 
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<Harle>

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Originally posted by old.Icebreaker
Shield Damage Output sux bigtime :D

But 50 Shield is very good for guarding other Group Member.

Oh and there is no hard cap for blocks. Got 66 + mob3 in shield now and its like perma moc for the one i guard :p

I'm not really sure if shield-spec has any effect on guarding, since you get different lvls of the Guard-ability at higher lvls in spec, but that's it afaik.
 
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elerand

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Originally posted by <Harle>
I'm not really sure if shield-spec has any effect on guarding, since you get different lvls of the Guard-ability at higher lvls in spec, but that's it afaik.

Guard 3=15% base chance +0.5% per lvl in shield.
Base chance vs archers is 30%.
Ever wonder why in pve you block more attacks against others than yourself, it's that extra 15% from guard 3 :)
 
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oblivion_6

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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
not sure if anyone has done this before.. but...

50 CS
50 Shield
6 blades
rest in parry.. or 1h.. not sure on that ;p

discuss.

im pretty sure that this is simlar to ravenbournes spec

only he goes LW instead of CS

blades is useless really if ur gonna focus on something else, but sheild 50 is well usefull as u could stun em and switch back to teh spear and twat em more
 
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old.Reno

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Originally posted by elerand
Guard 3=15% base chance +0.5% per lvl in shield.
Base chance vs archers is 30%.
Where did you get this information and where can the logs to prove it be found?

Danita
 
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Hestetun

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Originally posted by Kobold
can't see much point going 50 CS and shield tho, as you get little from it when above 50 and none of em got any v good styles at 50. But might work good tho, donno ;)

I still like 50 LW 42 shield 39 parry 6 blade best...

FATSO u get revenge on 50 CS:) good chain tbh, easy to get off too :)
 
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lofff

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sounds good to me, its not as if parry or onehanded spec helps u at all ^^
 
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<Harle>

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one big problem though for you Tzee:

elphes can't be Heroes :/
 
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Kobold

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lol i can garanty that weapon skill don't have a shit to do with blocking....as I have 6 in blades and block pbaoers in rvr alot (allmost all hits on them)...oh and I only have 42 in shield + RR + items.
 
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WIZ@RD_of_W@R

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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch

parry is a pain anyway i think, there is tracking spear chain off parry in CS, if i have my spear out im gonna look at damage, not some chance to parry.. also you cant parry etc from all angles


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Hope u saw the parry's on brutalize too (backpositioned style) afaik you parry from all angles ;) Ok the blockrate in this test is way higher then the parry rate, but the spec in parry was almost 3 times lower too:swords:
I just think Parry is very usefull when you use your LW/CS, but I tend to be more offensive than defensive. I only turn to shield when group requires it. Other side note is you can only block 3 enemies max with a large shield and afaik parry doesn't have this limit (just another thing to think about ;) )
 
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old.Reno

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Originally posted by WIZ@RD_of_W@R
Hope u saw the parry's on brutalize too (backpositioned style) afaik you parry from all angles

Brutalize is the lvl 50 shield style used after an enemy is blocked.
Parry works only in the front arc.

Danita
 
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Tank Init

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CS is bugged in the weaponskill just to let u know :)
 
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elerand

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Originally posted by old.Reno
Where did you get this information and where can the logs to prove it be found?

Danita

The base chance of blocking with guard is well known, the amount you gain per point in shield is also well known, afaik there is no blocking cap either.
The base 30% vs archers is from a grab bag and some tests I read on vnboards a few months ago iirc, sorry I can't give links to them though :(

I can say from experience though that my blocking rate in rvr vs archers is very high, providing I'm facing them of course.

Guard as an ability does give an advantage to blocking attacks on others, as opposed to yourself, in many cases I've blocked more on other people than against myself in pve where it's usually much more noticeable, in rvr I have been amazed at how effective guard has been used on a druid (9 blocked attacks from 3 infs in odins, ask yog, he was the first to die :p) think they got in 1 pa and 1 ordinary attack before the 2 survivors legged it.

Shame it's not possible to test it in duels, since you can't use guard on someone unless you are grouped with them :(
 
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Ravenbourne

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Well i used to be 50 blades, 42 shield, 20 pierce o_O (was new) rest in parry and i could solo red mob with out to much of a problem sometimes purp, damage output is much lower but it was all a matter of end management the from block chains were great but not really viable in RvR. Now i am 50 LW, 42 shield, 6 blades and the rest in parry the only reason you block more with s/s is the high defence bonus from one of the block chains afaik (cant remember which one) tbh i would consider dropping blades and part of the shield spec to go 50 LW/Parry.
Current spec:
50 +13 LW (When LW is out)
6 + 11 blades (when s/s is out)
42 + 13 shield (when s/s is out)
38/39 + 13 parry (all the time)
Most of the time a group wants me to be offensive but i always ask when i join and in someways its nice to be flexable. Without bard though your end is gone within about 4/5 style hits.
 

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