Opinions of the UK public plz

[Bracken]

Wrong again, im paying £5000 a year BECAUSE i work. As it happens my pay is shite but i wont be posting how much it is on here, average pay is about 11k so lets take that for example. 11-5 = 6k, take away 2k for traveling to london everyday 4k left. Now i live with my parents cus i simply cant afford to move out as im sure many others are in the same boat. Whats better working my ass off for 4k a year (before taxes) or getting it all handed to me on a plate?

pretty simple really

If you are earning 11k working in London and having to pay 5k a year back on your student loan already then you really are being shafted. No wonder you're so upset

 

[oblimov]

Those people also don't get the benefits - they get very little assistance from the state. Only people who are available for work get the benefits.

Hmmm the difference is one is called Job Seekers Allowance and the other is called the Dole

When i was made unemployed last year for a month I thought hmm ill try and see if theres anything im due after paying rates for 4 years of full time employement, they said i was due nothing for the first 6 months as I had worked prior to claiming

THey also asked me, now this is what annoyed me, did i plan on looking for work?.

I was quite taken back and said of course i would im only in my 20s and if i dont work ill starve, lose my house etc

The dude then said

Ah coz if you want to be registered as not looking for a job I can actually get you benefit money just now and you will get a lot more


oh and i see trisha's starting on ch5 again lol

 

[Bracken]

The dude then said

Ah coz if you want to be registered as not looking for a job I can actually get you benefit money just now and you will get a lot more

Sounds well dodgy...reckon he was going to get you into dealing

 

[oblimov]

Sounds well dodgy...reckon he was going to get you into dealing

rofl maybe lol

he was a pretty shady looking dude

 

[Ezteq]

i have been signed off sick in the past few years (not being sarky Thank God im back at work now) a few years ago when i was signed off i went and did about 6 hours a day in the PDSA charity shop, i love animals, needed something to build up my confidence and could spare the time so i went and helped out, felt great and made me feel like i wasnt a worthless sponge.

This time i was off work for about 2 years and as soon as i could i got my arse back to work, i now work in an aerospace factory for the grand sum of.... wait for it £5.50 an hour (woohoo) but let me tell you, for me its the best job ever, those that say being on the dole is better than working need shooting, sorry kids but i would have taken a job in McDonalds rather than being on the dole, i was on incapacity benifit, wont whine about it, i was unable to work, they helped me but god did i feel useless, my self esteem when through the floor, i felt guilty, useless and ashamed (even though i had a genuine illness) when im in work and the girls moan about the job i just remind them that its a hell of a lot better than not having work. Its not a perfect company but the people are nice, the jobs pleasant and i get paid my own money.

One of the gals that sits next to me has just got married and is expecting a baby, she was telling me about a freind of her's, this girl has 4 kids and boasts about never having worked in her life, she gets about £1000 a month in benifits. Im not jelous, my lifes better than hers. But people like that do make me angry, they take away from others who really need it, child care in the uk has got a load better lately, theres no excuse for it.

When i was in the doctors surgery a while back there was a group of chavs (approx late 20's- mid 30's) squalking on about how they were there for their sick notes, one pulled out a flash flippy cell phone and was arranging to meet his mate in the pub after he'd got his sick note.... Hmmmm!!!!!!!

Dont even mention the DSS to me, i had to go there a couple of times to get my incapacity benifit sorted out, one guy pushed to the front of the line and basically demanded to be dealt with first as he was a junkie and needed to score asap, he got seen immeadiatly, there were girls in there younger than me (yes some people actually are younger than me) with tribes of kids, all grubbing about on the floor and running about while their mothers spoke about prostitution, drugs, who was a slapper who was this and that. If i had a gun i think i would have shot the lot of them.

Workers in this country do get a rough deal, they look at these people on benifits and see them as living cushy lives, but would you really want to trade places with them? i know i sure as hell wouldnt, i'd rather work for little and have self respect than cheat the system then grouse about how i could be getting more.

I've been through a lot, been homeless, mistreated, jobless but i was NOT going to sit there with my hand out crying about how they owe me this and they owe me that, there is a better life out there if your willing to wade through the shit to get to it, sometimes you slip and go face down in it but hay shit happens, deal with it and pick yourself up.

there are lots of issues that make poeple mad, people who work hard and have little, they see sponges getting more, the immigration issue makes a lot of people fume "why should they get housing, money etc when my grandma is living in a bedsit with no heating and trying to survive on £20 a week!!" ,housing, benifits, health care, education people should all be able to have these things, sadly thats not the way this country works and yes it does suck, its not fair and its not right. But it could be worse....

So when you see that 17 year old mother of 12 on tv whos getting £1000,000 in benifits, dont get envious, jesus would you really want to live like that???

 

[oblimov]

interesting post there m8

I GUess your one of those bracken was talking about who would want to keep their self esteem and respect, damn shame there werent more like you

True I would nt give anything for their life I just feel sorry for the people who get it rubbed in their faces like the ones you mention with the sick notes n phones and stuff

WHen i signed on there was a lassy who wsa selling stolen gear in the waiting room and was filling her purse with 50 notes and then went in and preached poverty and put her kid with a shitty nappy on the counter and said she didnt have the money to clean him up

I can see the look of dissapointment in old peoples face when they relaise just how much this country has slipped, many of these old dudes fought a war for us and for what? we seem to have slipped into a immoral pool of shit

 

[Jayce]

This country has slipped too far to be helped or 'fixed' any time soon, any realist out there will also know that it will need to get worse, much worse, before it gets better.

Read 'Sword of truth' book 6 (i think) The one where Richard travels to the heart of the old world to live like they do to understand where his enemy is coming from, the burocractical bullshit is supreme and is imo a picture of how this country will become.

I plan to leave this country for good in the not too distant future. There is no point in moaning about something I can't change, so I will just go and find somewhere, I wont say better, that suits me better.

 

[Dillinja]

You mean you are only just realising this now oblimov? I knew that this country had lost the plot the day they started providing free housing to "asylum seekers" and "refugees" while our own people sleep on the streets.

Socialism DOES NOT WORK. It turns people into leeches, crushes the spirit of the average worker and lures lazy, uneducated people from all over the world into the country so that they can live the easy life without ever lifting a finger. No one should ever have to pull someone else's weight unless it is their decision to do so.

Take the first step, get Labour out of power.

 

[Chronictank]

If you are earning 11k working in London and having to pay 5k a year back on your student loan already then you really are being shafted. No wonder you're so upset

i didnt take a loan since they would only give me 1k because i work full time, with all the jobs being offshored i got into a company where i am being paid to learn the trade so i will be coming out with a degree and 4 yrs experience in my field even if they do pay me near nothing by london's standards.
This year they are paying my fees too so its not so much of a burden anymore

 

[Ezteq]

A few points about how people in crappy jobs should get more, when i was in australia, my brother in law was telling me that because of a severe lack of productive labour people who do jobs like decorators, builders,plumbers, sheet metal workers etc etc get paid a bloody fortune and in some cases the government actually pay them to come over, set them up in houses (dont get this wrong, they arnt set up in mansions, usually in crummy areas but it gives them a chance) and pay them a bloody good wage, because a lot of people went in to computor work etc they have a need for these people.

my family out there live in a beautiful house with a lovely garden, they each have a car and they have a fantastic way of life, if they were to move to the uk (my sister was born here) they wouldnt even be able to afford a flat.

when i was out there i was amazed at how cheap everything is from fuel to food, tobacco clothes its so much easier out there to live well, they have a system where on all bottles there is a 5 cent refund at bottle banks so at weekends you see old people, or kids out on bikes with baskets on the front collecting bottles from the side of the road, they also have a system where if your out of work you go and do jobs for the council, planting trees, gardening, cleaning public areas etc and get benifits while your helping your community.

i cant help thinking though that if we introduced a system like this in the uk we'd get slapped with a human rights civel (sp??) liberties wossname "these people have The Right to be useless and get money for nothing!!"

so sad.

 

[Ballard]

Sounds like the welfare system in the UK could do with some fine tunning
Don't think that the grass is greener anywhere else tho.. most countries have similar problems with immigration and unemployment. Germany, australia, US and NZ.. The list goes on. I quite like some parts of your country. Its cool to go cruising up round the yorkshire dales and the lake district.. You get heaps of events, bands and other stuff in your major cities. You have to take the good with the bad. Everyone I talk to over here thinks im crazy to leave New Zealand and live here for 3 years but when i was back home all i wanted to do was get out there and see the world and stay in the UK for awhile.. Maybe being here your whole life leaves you a little jaded who knows?
Anyway my girlfriend is a pom and she hates the country aswell.. She wants to come to NZ, crazy fool

 

[Escape]

It's all down to bad management. People come into the job, see the shit pile below them and think "fuck it! I'm not cleaning that".

 

[Bracken]

You mean you are only just realising this now oblimov? I knew that this country had lost the plot the day they started providing free housing to "asylum seekers" and "refugees" while our own people sleep on the streets.

Socialism DOES NOT WORK. It turns people into leeches, crushes the spirit of the average worker and lures lazy, uneducated people from all over the world into the country so that they can live the easy life without ever lifting a finger. No one should ever have to pull someone else's weight unless it is their decision to do so.

Take the first step, get Labour out of power.

Eh up, Enoch's landed...

 

[Jayce]

Take the first step, get Labour out of power.

This problem is not orientated around 1 government in this country, if that was the case I wouldn't be looking at other countries to live in I would be out there trying to get the masses to vote correctly.

Regardless of what our different governments preach they are all the same, well at least the Reds and Blues are, as they have proven over the last 20 years or more. Regardless of which one is in power the same old shit happens.

 

[Ormorof]

about the crummy jobs thing, there was an article in the local paper a while ago about a banker who quit his job and became a plumber because it earns more money

and no socialism doesnt work, but neither does an insane right wing state, welfare is needed (labour is a resource, its no use if isnt accesible, ie its sick/ill due to lack of housing or even food) so people can get back into work, of the million or so people currently unemployed less than 1% are "leeching" the system.

from statistic collected there were only 110,000 APPLICATIONS for asylum to the UK in 2002, far fewer were accepted, the UK is only 8th in europe for asylum applications after austria, norway, sweden, switzerland, ireland, luxembourg and belgium.

these country's have it far worse with asylum seekers than the UK

another myth is about people being "given" housing, yes asylum seekers are given housing, but they cant legally work, so how else are they supposed to live? on the streets? in the way when you are driving your BMW down the road?

refugee's once granted leave to live and work in the UK pay the same tax as anybody else, immigrants are not given special tax relief, if they are on low income the same tax rules apply to them....

benefits is hardly anything, you cant honestly belive that you can survive in the UK on £50 a week, paying for your house, a TV, food just lazing around, its a load of rubbish (you can check the actual rates here: http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/cms.asp?Page=/Home/Customers/WorkingAgeBenefits/497#howmuch )

just my opinion of course

 

[Jayce]

Your correct in as much as following the system correctly and morally. There are so many loopholes and ways to get more that are quite well known now then they were 10 years ago (including changes ofc).

I am not saying all people do this and it may be less then 1% but nearly everyone I talk to who is claiming benefits all come up with different ways to get more, be it moral or not.

Example, you can move into your girlfriends council house and rent your own one out.

There are loads of things like this that slip through, and its not the fact that they are there that is so galling to many people its the fact that the government do not adequately and publicaly put a stop to things like this happening.

 

[Lorra]

It is the same in college, some people get EMA (education maintaince allowance), which can be up to £30 a week. This is not what annoys me.

It is the fact that for coming to college, doing the work that has been set, getting the grades that the had been predicted, you can get £100+ per term as a bonus on top of the £30 a week.

Now my point: I don’t get EMA, but I still come to college, do my work, get good grades, do I get a "bonus?", do I hell.

To clarify my point, my anger is not with the EMA it self its with the Bonus.

Why should a number of students get a bonus and another not?

Answer

• Means Tested?

My opinion on this :- Its is an absolutist theory, no situational relativism.

For example:

Situation one (my family)

I have two older brothers and a younger sister; my two older brothers are both at university, and my sister is starting high school next year. My dad is paying 40% tax (income of about £45,000). Not taking into account mortgages etc.. 45,000 divided by 4 = £11,250

Situation Two (random made up family)

Only child household income £19,000 / 1 = £19,000

This may be the extreme but it was to prove a point about how they should look at the situation a person is in, rather than just giving out one big figure and sticking to it.

Some random Facts claiming :-

If your household income is:
Up to £19,630 per year you get £30 per week
£19,631 - £24,030 per year you get £20 a week
£24,031 - £30,000 per year you get £10 a week

- http://www.dfes.gov.uk/financialhel...tion=content.view&CategoryID=93&ContentID=112

 

[Rookiescot]

I’m sitting here in my reasonably well-paid job and I’m wondering why we bother to work at all in the UK

I was looking at the Child Trust Fund and thinking it was an excellent way to save for a child’s future (me and the missus are aiming to have kids in at least 5 years) and I investigated more.

I was shocked to see that it’s only available to those on Child Benefit, i.e. the unfortunates of the land

Now this got me started again on my usual rant about the UK and their total lack of incentives for people willing to work away and pay their taxes to improve the country

This country seems to punish the workers and in attempting to destroy the poverty gap seems to be aiming to give people not working the same lifestyle and income as those who work

I’m curious as to why they do this as surely the people who’s lives are better are working for this right?

I don’t sit on the couch all day watching tv and sleeping in till the afternoon, I have to wake up at 6 each weekday and work a 40 hour week for the privelages that come with me working

I’m struggling to pay back my student loan as this government thought I should pay my own way through my education, all very well but why then do they allow people from a family which has no workers go through Uni. For free? And I know some people will say ah but it’s too give them a better chance in life

Do we normal people not deserve the same chance in life?

Also in terms of council housing, why is it so difficult for myself to get a council house, giving that I work full time and make enough money to pay the rent comfortably whereas they give the housing to those who don’t work and will then have to pay for them to live there.

Then now this is the joke! Give them the right to buy their council house (where do they get the money?) and then sell it making a ridiculous profit, which in turn is one of the reasons the market in the UK housing seems to be rising so sharply.

I know of at least two friends who stayed in quite expensive areas who have had unemployed families move into 200K+ bungalows as they sold up their bought council houses and made a fortune

The govt encourages people to have children as there is a declining population but why then do they only reward those who are unemployed to have children? The govt £500 a child payment is only available to those on benefits, surely this is creating a no win situation as the child will be paid for by the state during its life and then sent to Uni. With the states money and then if they’re lucky they might get some tax out of it

However its been proven that a child’s parents are the most influencing behaviour on its life and attitude so clearly a child born into a family of unemployment will view this as the norm more than a child born into a hard working family?

My parent both worked extremely hard and still do and will be lucky to have the luxury to retire

However the benefit system in this country puts away private taxpayers money into private pensions schemes and isa's for those on the dole to allow them a comfortable life to "retire" on.

I might be mistaken but why should some people who have struggled all their life’s not get the chance to retire and enjoy life whereas people who currently live like they are retired (i.e. no work) are better provided for?

Just makes me fuming mad when I think how much of a mess this country is in now: (

Was wondering if im alone in my views or if anyone else thinks that theyre working lifes in this country are only benefiting the wasters of society

Jesus H Christ.
What a fuckin rant.
Do you honestly feel that having no job is a fuckin picnic?
Do you honestly feel that having no job and kids is easy?
OK heres what to do mate.
Quit your job. Go onto unemployment benifit. And in 6 months time post here again telling us how life is so good on easy street.
In fact dont make it 6 months ... make it a year.
That way you can have the joy of Christmas morning when your kids are waking up to next to fuck all presents.
Might add here that I'm not unemployed. I earn around 30k a year. My wife earns around 10k a year working part time.
But I have been there and seen that. And if you think the world is a happy place when you have no job then be my guest.

 

[Lorra]

*Rolls Eyes* No apathy, this guys is obviously pissed of, and TBH yes it does seem like the GOVT. are giving people who are unemployed an easy ride.

 

[Lorra]

apathy,

should be empathy - nerf no edit ^^

 

[Binky the Bomb]

Want a laugh, here's a little snippit from my own life history. (It's long, but has such a good ending).

Early age, parents divorced, but there still speaking to each otherand on reasonable terms, even now (tis important info). Age 11, I fell ill with Crohn's disease, a rather sevear case that left me with no large colon and a portion of my small colon being removed. Lost the practical use of my legs for about 9 months during treatment, suffered 2 heart attacks and had about 30 units of blood pumped into me (over twice the amount your body normally holds) because of bleeding and surgery.

Rather drastic at the time, but I got through it (With much help). Now then, what help do you think I got off the government when I returned home to recover? Sod all. My doctor, surgeon, mother and specialist all sined forms for months trying to get my disability sorted out for me, so i'd have access to facilities such as: A wheelchair (9 moths bedbound realy fucked my legs up), Physiotherapy (to get the use of legs back), Crutches (For the latter part of the therapy), a disabled sticker for my dads car (for when we had to see various officials who had to evalute my condition).

Net result: One letter saying because my condition was temporary, I would receive no help off or benefit from the government.

Reason: Because I was only going to be wheelchair-bound for a short amount of time, it was not worth them giving me any aid. I.E. becasue i was regaining the use of my legs, they were going to do "fuck all". That was fine for my legs, but what about the disease currently nestled within my guts?

Answer: They hadn't taken that into consideration.*

*= I found this out about 9 months ago, when my doctor managed to get a copy of my back-dated evaluation notes from the council.

So, there I was with a disease that attacks by opening ruptures within my intestines and making me slowly and painfully bleed to death if I get emotionally unstable (I.E. sevear stress, anger, joy, excitement (and later sexual excitement gets thrown in) and general abundant emotional outlets.), at the begining of a rather turbulent time (Puberty), and having to go back to school whether I was ready or not (Got a rather nasty letter of the council about it, along the lines of 'he goes back to school or your in trouble').

Take a moment to take all this in, process it and get a general bearing on the whole situation. Ready? Then we shall continue with the next bit of this saga.

Over the next 5 years, I had 20 attacks, 7 blood transfusions, and 3 months of hospital time (roughly). I was also in three times a week to see a child psychologist for sevear depression (and bloody wonder). I came very close to being institutionalized, for various comments I made (well, when your made to feel like the human equivelant or horse shit by other human beings at that age, you tend to be on a rather downward tangent). Lo and behold, do you know why I wasn't? Here's the irony: I wasn't viable for care, because of my prior evaluation by the health department (I.E. they were going off there own notes, and not the fresh evidence presented). Anyone feel like laughing, go ahead, I don't balme you, I almost wet my sides laughing every time I think back on it.

Then came college, grants to help? None, I didn't qualify for one (in four years of higher education). Passed every course with ease, and have degrees worth upto 38 gcse's (b grade pass), 37 examination papers to pass with three chances to pass each one (so I could have taken upto 111 exams in 4 years), passed all of them, first time every time. I have NEVER failed a course in my life. Net result, government stilll treated me like human waste, no help, minimal benefits to assist me.

Here's the pisser: There were numerous dosser on the courses I did, getting full benefits and grants (I know because I asked) with no hastle, and they failed there courses anyway. Next year, they were back again, doing the same thing. So why did they get help and I didn't? They lied there balls off when filling in all the forms. So much for integrity.

Finding work has been difficult in Britain for me, as not may employers are willing to hire me. I'm educated, smart, willing to work any schedule they deem fit, willing to do almost any type of work (there are some I can't do due to my illness, but none in my prefered field of employment), i'm willing to learn, take on extra work (for the extra pay, moma didn't raise no fool). Im polite to customers, clean, presentable, not grossly ugly (apparently, but I never trust women when they pay me compliments, there usually after something), I have no peircings, tattoos (sadly) or any other visible qualities to put an employer off. In other words, inoffensive. I have long groomed hair, that's it.

My work record has been less than great. 3 Temp jobs, full completed without complaint, 1 long term employment cut short when the company was closed down (moved the factory to some third world country we found out), and a few short term jobs (cleaning pubs, Flipping burgers at McD's etc. Because even though I've been supported by family, I still want to contribute when I can) as well as teaching a few school kids practical pc application (MS word, excel etc and how to use them properly) for a few quid.

Best working experiance, no scratch that, the best job i've had was when I went abroad to work, to Ireland. Initially, it was to help out my mum and grandad whilst they had a bad year with there health. I didn't have to do it, I could have let my brother do it and stayed at home, instead I chose to do it, help out and maybe find some work. Best decission i've ever made.

When I was employed by my boss Dave (first name basis from the word go, mutual respect without hesitation), he taught me all the practical side to PC maintenance, repair, software repair and maintenance, networks (building and maintaining) and ho to do all the paperwork required, accounting, bloody loads of things involved in the job. I could have run the shop in his place (and did on a few occasions). Hell, he even trusted me with 17 grand on bank runs ever month (major boost to the ole confidence). Best 2 and a half years i've ever had. And best of all, not ONE fucking major attack fom my crohn's (couple of flare-ups, nothing serious. Can get over them in a few days).

But sadly, all things come to an end, and my work permit ran out (bastards wouldn't renue it either), and I had to come home. Since then, it's been that same as it was befoe, with one exception, i've been seeing my new doctor more often, because after my appointments with the various officials who wanted to speak with me, I had a crohns attack (quite a bad one) and had to spend time in hospital again. This time round, after my doctor looked into my backlog of notes (5 thick folders worth now) he came across all the prior notes and claims on my behalf and made some enquiries on my behalf.

He was suprised, and angered to find out that my prior notes for disability had been buried due to "departmental changes made over the last 7 years". Ready for another laugh? I've ben forgotten about because the rules were changing and no-one wanted to make a premature ruling on my case, Then just forgot about me. And i'm not alone, turns out that crohn's ahd been 'reclassified' by the health service twice as being a disability 'within reason'. In otherwords, if I hadn't improved myself over the years, gotten my mobility back, and wanted to work, i'd be gaining, wait for it...

Upto £500 a week, plus other benefits!

Thats right, I didn't want to wast away, I wanted more out of life, so i've been penalised for it. Laugh along, it's all good comedy.

My specialist, a new surgeon (had to go under the knife last year) and doctor have put the paperwork in again for me for disability, as they've sad that if I carry on working like I did in Ireland, I could either A) kill myself before I turn 30, or B) Have to go through major surgery to correct the problem (new small and large colon, heavy mediacation and recovery for upto 2 years).

I'm on permanent sick now, and I am suprised thay could get me on permanent sick pay whilst they make my case for me. I have to wait another 2, maybe 3 years whilst they sort through the paperwork.

It's such a good thing I have a sence of humour, otherwise i'd have been shot by the police along time ago for mass murder.

Anyone want to laugh along, go ahead, Thats how the government treats it's citizens, like a fucking joke. The fact that they do so much for asylum seekers and immigrants, throwing money and help at them willy-nilly is a fucking insult by comparison. I suppose it's no wonder why i'm such an opinionated twat, but there you go, product of modern Britain in action.

And yet, my grandparents immigrated here after WW2and got fuck all off the govt. Irony in action for you! Anyone still curious about my signatures now?

 

[Lorra]

100% agree with you, the amount of time and effort the country sticks into the fuckwits of today’s society is laughable....

 

[Kicks]

And how much of that debt was for beer tokens for you to piss up the wall?

Won't deny that I made the most of it or as much as I could.

If your time at Uni was anything like mine then it would be a pretty large chunk of it. So you got a 12k debt. Over the next 5 years how much higher do you think your earnings will be as a result of that education? You can be pretty sure it will atleast match that debt...and probably exceed it by a country mile.

My earnings will be 0 higher as I never completed a degree, plus even if I had completed it imo it wouldn't be any higher than what I'm doing now.

Student life + increased earnings = damn right you should pay something back

Not denying that it should be paid back or that I shouldn't pay anything, I was simplying telling how it is with the amount of debt as opposed the 'Rose Tinted' view taken by some .

Incidently, after leaving Uni halfway through my 2nd year I was un-employed for about 8 months and took the first IT related job that came my way - after applying for 100's. It was shit but I learnt alot and am now in a job I enjoy and am on £21k, 3 years on I've paid back about £60 of my £8000 student loan debt.

Uni is not a must have for some industries and certainly not IT, infact the guy who interviewed me for my current job said that Uni is too general and did not want a graduate.

 

[Ormorof]

i have to agree that the government does seem to make some stupid grants

for example a bunch of kids at my school who were on a "anger management" course were paid £1000 to finish their GCSE's of course that made me feel pretty annoyed since only 2 of them (out of 20) got A-C grades and yet they all still got their £1000, it was part sponsored by McLaren i believe

 

[Rookiescot]

100% agree with you, the amount of time and effort the country sticks into the fuckwits of today’s society is laughable....

Yeah ... we shouldnt have wasted so much time on you for a start.

 

[Job]

Holy crap Binky, that's a bumpy road there mate.

You'll be glad to know your misfortune has made me feel better about myself

Annoying isn't it, so many people with totally healthy bodies that just sit them in a stinking couch and do fuck all with them.

The problems of life, if you leave the social underclasses to look after themselves ,they'll get together and slit your throat and rob your stuff.

If you give them money, they''ll sit on their asses, breed like rabbits and take over the country with their chav ways, then slit your throat and rob your stuff.

There is a 3rd way...but let's not go there eh

 

[tris-]

i only earn £750 a month after tax. i have to pay nearly £2k a year on tax and around 800 NI.
why the fuck should i work for that much and not see anything from my tax money? NI is a waste of shit too. hello nhs, here is my NI now put me in a 3 year waiting list for an important operation.
when i think about it, i dont even know why i work, but i do. why? because i hate the people who dont work. and you know what? i dont do over time because id rather not be taxed more. yes, that is how much i hate these leeches.

 

[Chilly]

maybe one day il go totally insane and go on a killing spree - send potential targets to me via PM, i guarantee you wont be linked with any deaths

 

[Ethild]

If I had my way, practically all benefits bar disability would be scrapped. No money would ever be given out. I'm sick of seeing people I know to be on benefit spending money on drink/fags/McDonald's/stuff I don't consider necessary.

The only thing they should get is a food token entitling them to whatever food the Government deems fit for them to live off, and obviously somewhere to live if they need it. Benefits should exist so you can 'get by' for the time you are on them, until you can get off them (i.e. get a job).

The money saved should be used to boost something like Tax Credits for people in employment, i.e. make those who are working full-time, but for not very much, get the benefit.

 

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why not just go that one step further?

take all those unproductive members of society and put them in huge camps, torture them, abuse them, even kill them off - just throw them in the ovens
you know, the ill, the sick, the disabled, the mentally ill....

seem to recall some guy called Hitler doing it....

and d'oh - you think every disability is easily visible? my dad's 'lucky' he's at the total wheelchair stage of illness now (my future ) so gets 'let off' - I still have times when I appear perfectly 'normal' - and yeah, boy do I live well on my whopping great £7,500 a year benefits - me and my family

sorry to disillusion you even further - but like many ppl I know in similar situations I also work for free - one of the army of volunteers who stop the NHS collapsing totally - and no, not dishing out cups of tea while watching Trisha - hands on in at the sharp end work in the acute psychiatry and geriatric units

must be tough trying to cope as a healthy couple on 55k a year my heart bleeds........... :kissit: