Online banking and stuff

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Tom

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I'm presuming you all have online bank accounts, credit cards etc. I certainly do. I like the convenience they offer, and the ability to make payments without speaking to people on the phone, or going down to the bank.

What I don't like are the increasingly silly (well, at least in my opinion) security arrangements that you have to go through. Of particular annoyance to me are the questions about 'memorable places' or 'memorable dates'. Two questions that have absolutely no relevance to me, whatsoever. I've done a fair bit of travelling, so I have a fair few memorable places, and as for memorable dates? Perhaps if I was married, but what else is there? My online bank account recently added this to the login. They weren't happy with a 6 letter password (via drop down boxes), and a login id. Worked perfectly well for me. Perhaps they're just all getting paranoid.

Which leads me to what just happened as I tried to make a first payment on my new credit card (I change regularly for the 0%). After working my way through the assault course that is the login screen, and finally entering all my payment details (the DD isn't set up yet), I was asked for my security code. I instantly assumed it wanted the 3-digit code on the back of the card, and put that in. Cue the old Family Fortunes buzzer, I try again, XXX WRONG, one more time I think (using the other set of number keys just in case), then I get: XXX YOUR ACCOUNT HAS BEEN LOCKED OUT STFU NOOB (well it didn't say stfu noob but it might as well have.

I tried to contact them using the website, but guess what? You need to enter the correct security code to do that, and cos I got it wrong 3 times, I can't email them. By now I had realised that there is a super-special security code, different from the login password and memorable crap. So I phoned them up. The automated machine took 2 attempts before it got my CC number right (or so I thought). Followed by a long wait (0730 and 'we apologise for the delay; this is due to an extremely high call volume' - wtf?) Then a real person says hello, and asks how she can help. I tell her what happened, and the conversation goes something like this:

'Ok Mr Khan?'

'Er....no'

'ahhh, we are having some problems with our system' (funny how often that happens, what are they running, Amstrads?)

'Mr Dale?'

'You're not exactly inspiring me with confidence here. What happens if I say yes, and get into Mr Dale's account?'

'Oh that couldn't happen sir'

'What, with your superbly maintained systems?'

'Mr Jeffs?'

'Thats me!'


Anyway, its all sorted now, but it did bring home to me how much I fucking hate all this security crap. How much of it is really necessary, and how much of it is their paranoia? I mean, do they really see online fraud becoming a bigger problem than cashier apathy?
 
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FatBusinessman

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Interestingly enough, the unwritten requirement in specifications for bank computer systems is this:

Shift responsibility from the bank to the customer.

They don't really care if someone gets their money nicked, so long as they can deny all responsibility.

So I'd say just nick Mr Dale's money and spend it on ale and whores :D
 
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Embattle

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I have to enter a 10 digit number and then my DOB and finally three numbers from another 6 digit number, both of these numbers currently reside in my brain although they do send you a card with the larger 10 digit number on should I forget. If I should enter them in wrong then I'm forced to call the help line which then asks me memorable dates, birthdays etc.
 
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Big G

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Tom,

What bank is this with?

You'll find that it's an FSA or audit requirement for the bank (or indeed all banks) to have fort knox security levels. Unfortunately, when the FSA say "jump" all the banks say "how high" or face fines - it can be tough for the bank and indeed it becomes tough on the customer.

As i work for a popular internet bank, I know due to FSA strangleholds, audit requirements and massive fraud that they do have crazy security to access accounts. For example, you'll need to know your customer ident number, then your pin code, then your "secret security question" (which can be mother's maiden name, DOB, place of birth etc - something special/specific to you) and a login name. I think it's a pain in the ass too, but it's the way it is; particularly if you're with several banks and have to remember several login/password combos.

I've seen plenty cases of family members trying to access one anothers accounts before, it's very common.

Gaz
 
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echo

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My Nationwide Visa account has an account number, login number (10 and 6 respectively) and a memorable date or place (you choose)- and that's it. Works for me and only takes a second or two.
 
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Embattle

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TBH its annoying but I'd rather have it than making it easier for scumbags to steal my money.
 
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Big G

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Originally posted by Embattle
TBH its annoying but I'd rather have it than make easy for scumbags to steal my money.

Agreed.

The customers would be the first to go mental if someone got access to their account and nabbed their money; claiming that the security wasn't good enough to stop fraudsters.

The high security is there to stop fraud and protect our customers. In a way, it's reasurring that i struggle to remember the login name/password - less chance of someone else knowing it ;)

Gaz
 
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Tom

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If someone robs your local bank, the money is insured. If someone robs your account electronically, then whats the case?

Its just a major pain in the arse, and they also place restrictions on what type of password you can have (must have one capital letter, at least 2 letters, at least 4 numbers, be no more than 8 characters, etc). I mean, FUCKOFF!
 
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*Kornholio*

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Originally posted by Tom.
If someone robs your local bank, the money is insured. If someone robs your account electronically, then whats the case?

You're covered... it happened to me a couple of months ago. The bank will do some investigations and return the money to your account, took about 3 weeks for mine to get sorted though which was a bit of a pain in the arse...
 
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.Cask

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Barclays isn't too bad. I've got all the numbers off by heart now so as long as I don't make a typo then I'm through in about 30 seconds. If I do make a typo I have to start again though and the pages seem to take painfully long to load the second time around.

Checks are: Banking number, surname, security number and 2 random digits from your secret word.

Not so long ago they put a block on my account due to what they thought were unusual transactions. The transactions turned out to just be my weekly shopping at sainsburys and some computer parts. Annoying part is that they didn't inform me so I went around for a week wondering why my cards weren't working. Got sorted out pretty quickly when I found out though.
 
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Big G

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Originally posted by Tom.
If someone robs your local bank, the money is insured. If someone robs your account electronically, then whats the case?

Its just a major pain in the arse, and they also place restrictions on what type of password you can have (must have one capital letter, at least 2 letters, at least 4 numbers, be no more than 8 characters, etc). I mean, FUCKOFF!

You're money is covered also.

It's not about the risk of your money being stolen, it's the risk to the bank loosing money and reimbursing their customers. Additionally, if the bank has shit security and high fraud levels, this is reflected on the high APRs and charges on accounts, so no more low APRs and 0% offers ;)

you never mentioned what bank this was?

Gaz
 
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Tom

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This of course is why banks are sooooo keen to stamp out credit card fraud.:rolleyes:



The CC is marbles (thats who I phoned this morning), I bank with a couple of banks, both of which are actually quite allright.

I used to have an Egg CC, but I got rid of it after they repeatedly ignored my instructions not to raise my credit limit.
 
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SoWat

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I use Nationwide and it's very good...at least in it's present form (it used to be pretty basic, not to mention slow).

The login is ok, as the account number can be saved as a cookie, requiring the user to only remember their memorable data and the PIN number.

I haven't tried any other online bank, but the inconvenience is far outweighed by the benefits.
 
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Any

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I know! Lets just use account numbers to log in. Then when somebody steals your wallet and emptys all the cash you can come on here and bitch about how lax the security was and how much of a pain it was to get it back.

Im sick of people(not just online) complaining all the time about stuff that makes perfect sense. Why cant people do us all a favour and think for a second before opening their fucking mouths.
 
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Big G

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Originally posted by Any
Im sick of people(not just online) complaining all the time about stuff that makes perfect sense. Why cant people do us all a favour and think for a second before opening their fucking mouths.

i'm hearing ya, tends to happen a lot on BW forums ;)
 
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SoWat

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The sentiments are fine, but the tone is way over the top!

Did Any get out of the wrong side of bed, do they have a lot of repressed anger, or do they just need a good stiff one?
 
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Any

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Originally posted by Big G
i'm hearing ya, tends to happen a lot on BW forums ;)

Of course I realise that my post was complaining about people complaining. :)


Edit: I suppose that it was a little over the top. I must have heard a few more stupid complaints than normall this week.
 
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Xtro

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Originally posted by Any

I must have heard a few more stupid complaints than normall this week.

Convince the missus that sex next time will be better and you WILL try harder.






:p
 
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ManDevil

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Halifax isn't to bad, all they ask for is Login/Pass & then one of 3 questions (mothers name, fathers name or first school)
 
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Rubber Bullets

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NatWest is quite good too, no questions at all.

D.O.B. > Customer Number > 3 digits of 4 digit number > 3 digits/figures of 10 character passy

All done in about 20 secs.

Easier than my girlfriends HSBC one anyway.

RB
 
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Meatballs

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Originally posted by Rubber Bullets
NatWest is quite good too, no questions at all.

D.O.B. > Customer Number > 3 digits of 4 digit number > 3 digits/figures of 10 character passy

All done in about 20 secs.

Easier than my girlfriends HSBC one anyway.

RB

HSBC one is just OnlineBankingId, Dob, 4 digits from your 6+ digit security number.

The amount of things I have to input for my Egg & HSBC accounts isn't that difficult, it's a bit of a pain phoning up to re-activate your security number though sometimes, you run around collecting bits of paper with the information you think you are going to need, and then they ask you something else, and you run around some more. And then if you cant find it, you say you'll phone back, you phone back, and then they dont ask you for that bit of information anyway! (It was my account number, which wasn't on my egg letter, and I dont get posted statements from them. You'd think they'd be able to tell me it when I've said my name address security questions dob mothers dogs parents cousins maiden name.)
 
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Every_Counsel

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While, I'll admit, the over zealous security techniques on-line are a bit obnoxious; I've come to appreciate them in recent months.

Someone ended up getting a hold of my credit card information and in the end, within a week's time (I received my statement... )
this person had spent over 9k. Luckily, I'm one of the few consumers who has someone to sort out all of my financial endeavors, so it didn't take long before the credit was returned; however, it wasn't all too long thereafter that I noticed changes on the site.. and, having almost been responsible for 9k I didn't spend, I appreciate them sincerely.
 
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pcg79

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this is a banking question i suppose

do you reckon an atm would take a card with the plastic peeled up a bit on the edges ?

looking at the side you can see the plastic cover thats come off - should i just peel it all off ? or try and hope the atm doesnt eat my card ?
 
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Clowneh!

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Just go into the bank and take out money from the windows, then ask them for a replacement ;)
 
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Embattle

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I would be careful pcg79, taking advice from clowneh about money is like taking rocket science lessons from a dustbin man ;)
 
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pcg79

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problem is i need money to go to !carnivalé! but banks arent open.
 
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Gumbo

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Originally posted by Embattle
I would be careful pcg79, taking advice from clowneh about money is like taking rocket science lessons from a dustbin man ;)

It was dustbin men that put men on the moon I'll have you know!!!!

Oh wait, that aint right....
 
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xane

Guest
I have an Egg credit card, its all done online with a direct debit to your bank every month.

Problem is, I have had to change my card four times, three due to the wife getting her bag nicked and once due to PC Plod informing me they'd found my number on one of a bin bag full of duped cards in some garage belonging to a Sri Lankan crime gang.

Every bloody time my online details get zapped and I no longer know who I've paid since, since the new card number will be different and I need to know all the people I have regular CC payments with so I can change them.

Only problem I have with the security is they changed the birthdate entry to drop down boxes and seeing as I'm an old git I have to scroll down quite a bit.
 
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Big G

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Originally posted by pcg79
this is a banking question i suppose

do you reckon an atm would take a card with the plastic peeled up a bit on the edges ?

looking at the side you can see the plastic cover thats come off - should i just peel it all off ? or try and hope the atm doesnt eat my card ?

Replacement card for deffo.

Gaz
 
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Clowneh!

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H3y du yuo tek r0k3t sc1enc3 less0nz frm duztbn m3n?!?11
 

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