One lucky fox

[Aoami]

Aoami the download fucking canceled half way through it. ffs

download it again

 

[Sparx]

I doubt you would...

And I wouldn't say a fox is a vermin, what makes you think so?

I grew up on a farm, i have in my life been out at night with shotguns chasing the vermin out fields as they try attack and kill lambs

So in answer to your comment, i most certainly have, and would again.

And check the internet, you will find the fox is classed as vermin

 

[Aoami]

download it again

And download flashget first, so it wont break again.

 

[pikeh]

They are feeding to survive, they dont kill for fun, or sport. Do humans need lamb chops or eggs more than fox's need food to live?

Fine you can argue that the lambs havnt done anything wrong, which is all well and good, they havnt. But what the fuck were you breeding them for in the first place? To knit your great-nan a wooly jumper for christmas?

I suppose this discussion is just going to conclude I have no idea, and have no right to think that fox's deserve to be on this planet just like every other animal, or human.

 

[Drucken]

I grew up on a farm, i have in my life been out at night with shotguns chasing the vermin out fields as they try attack and kill lambs

So in answer to your comment, i most certainly have, and would again.

And check the internet, you will find the fox is classed as vermin

All right, I'll take your word for it. Still I think it's hard to place a fox in the same category as rats and roaches, but then I grew up in quiet suburb where the most wildlife we saw were hares, roe deers, squirrels and maybe a badger

 

[Sparx]

The MFAA Website states: "In Britain the goal is to kill the fox. Because there is no rabies in the British Isles, populations of fox are extremely high and fox are considered vermin.

One there
BBC NEWS | UK | Fox hunting worldwide

And Pikeh when you have grown up on a farm and your life survives on what you produce having every single lamb killed in one night can crush a season.
A Fox doesnt just kill one lamb, it will kill every single one it can

 

[Nate]

This is the reason fox hunting was banned, people who don't know fuck all think they should say something.

 

[pikeh]

I suppose this discussion is just going to conclude I have no idea, and have no right to think that fox's deserve to be on this planet just like every other animal, or human.

I'm psychic!

 

[Sparx]

I hope that wasnt aimed at me Nate

I know first hand the damage foxes do. I'm not talking about fox hunting at all here btw

 

[pikeh]

I hope that wasnt aimed at me Nate

I know first hand the damage foxes do. I'm not talking about fox hunting at all here btw

I think it was aimed at me.

 

[Bahumat]

Since when did foxes read FH? Bah! I know I know, but it had to be said.

 

[Access Denied]

They are feeding to survive, they dont kill for fun, or sport. Do humans need lamb chops or eggs more than fox's need food to live?

Fine you can argue that the lambs havnt done anything wrong, which is all well and good, they havnt. But what the fuck were you breeding them for in the first place? To knit your great-nan a wooly jumper for christmas?

I suppose this discussion is just going to conclude I have no idea, and have no right to think that fox's deserve to be on this planet just like every other animal, or human.

Actually foxes do kill for fun. If they get into a hen house they'll just go nuts. They might kill one to feed but the rest will be killed in a frenzy and left there.

 

[Nate]

I'm psychic!

You don't though, if you did you wouldn't have said half the things you did.

Actually foxes do kill for fun. If they get into a hen house they'll just go nuts. They might kill one to feed but the rest will be killed in a frenzy and left there.

This is a little more like what foxes actually do, maybe it isn't there fault that they naturally get in to a frenzy and have to kill everything that moves, hey we do it every day in FPS's! Is the fox the FPS gamer of the natural world? Anyway.

I hope that wasnt aimed at me Nate

I know first hand the damage foxes do. I'm not talking about fox hunting at all here btw

No it wasn't. However, with less foxes being hunted what happened to you probably happens more often now.

It might go to the extent that farming small livestock becomes to much of a gamble in england as the foxes grow in population and we end up having more and more food miles put on our food! Hey I just brought another hippy argument in to the equation!

I did see recently they've found a few loopholes so they can continue fox hunting, they just need to take a hawk lol What if the hounds get there first? Slap on the wrist? ;o

 

[old.Tohtori]

luckily due to my fast reactions

Isn't that an oxymoron?

Well done, better a live fox then a dead wolf.

 

[pikeh]

I dont see how some brutal pseudo-sport for upper class fuckwits can be called effective Fox population control. Surely there are more efficient/humane ways?
You can chase em around a field at 2am with a shotgun as well, fine, but how often did an event like that happen?

Are foxes the main reasoning behind livestock import?

Like has been previously been mentioned, I have no idea of the facts, I just want to get some reasoning behind why the hell you have a grudge against all foxes, when they had shit all to do with you? Don't you agree that its in the animals nature? Does a whole species have to be wiped out because of its nature?

Are you a farmer Nate or come from a farming family?

Does it mean I'm a hippy if I like animals?

 

[Drucken]

I'm just curious about one thing. How hard can it realyl be to keep a fox out of a hen house? It's not like they are strong enough to tear the wood away with their paws or fangs. And durign the day when the chickens are outside they do have a fence around them, correct? Afaik foxes aren't really excellent climbers or diggers which means there should be easier prey for them. And foxes aren't really the only predator which kills more than necessary, a herd of lions chasing gazzels (spelling?) will try to kill as many as possible even though they only need like 1 or 2 to feed them all for the moment.
However I can see how it's harder to protect sheep from wolf attacks, but really, this is something that has been going on for as long as humans has bred animals. If they could handle it over a 1000 years ago it shouldnt be a problem today. In Sweden you hear of wolves killing a sheep or two no more than 5 times a year and every time farmers want to go out and hunt down entire packs

 

[old.Tohtori]

Afaik foxes aren't really excellent climbers or diggers which means there should be easier prey for them.

Lemme correct that "afak" for you

YouTube - Athletic Fox
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YouTube - The digging fox!
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Like any canine(doggie), they ain't no cats of climbing or moles of digging, but what they lack in skill, they make up in zeal.

 

[Drucken]

Crap can't watch youtube on work so I'll take your word for it.
I stand corrected! But what if you have one of those "metal-chain-fences" with a bunch of holes and then run a it a few fet below ground, that should give them a hard time considering early fox traps were designed in somewhat the same manner.

 

[Sparx]

Fox's live in holes in the ground. They are fantastic diggers

 

[Drucken]

I'm aware of that but they often take over holes from other animals such as badgers who has died or moved

 

[old.Tohtori]

Crap can't watch youtube on work so I'll take your word for it.
I stand corrected! But what if you have one of those "metal-chain-fences" with a bunch of holes and then run a it a few fet below ground, that should give them a hard time considering early fox traps were designed in somewhat the same manner.

Oh aye, it's not as easy, as it used to be, to be a "fox in a henhouse", but it's the underjudgement of foxes that's usually the problem. "Smart as a fox" for a reason

Tall fences and underground fencing usually does the trick, but i think most farmers don't want to cough up the cash as it's cheaper to use a few hen then to protect them.

 

[Sparx]

not really. Growing up i've been to a place that was called fox's forrest and it was covered with holes all dug by the pesky fox

And when you get a chance watch those videos, you can see they can jump up and over 6 foot fences

 

[Drucken]

All right, I guess there are more foxes in the UK than in Sweden. As I said before I've never even seen a wild one

 

[Ctuchik]

Was just driving home from work, doing about 45mph. A Fox appears out of nowhere, luckily due to my fast reactions I braked in time. Now thats one lucky Fox! You should look before you cross next time Mr Fox.

i never break for wildlife. i aim for its arse and hope its not there when i pass. i dont like the thought of having a car ramming MY arse if i break.

 

[Ctuchik]

All right, I guess there are more foxes in the UK than in Sweden. As I said before I've never even seen a wild one

well UK DO import them and hunt them for sports. so ofc theres more foxes there then anywhere else in the world.

 

[Nate]

Are you a farmer Nate or come from a farming family?

No, have nothing to do with farmers

Does it mean I'm a hippy if I like animals?

I like animals, I have owned quite a few varieties in my time(from a Barn Owl to a Lizard)I don't like seeing them get hurt. But I do think it's been a bit silly the way this was rushed out without really much thought. I think a little more thought for both parties could have gone down to find out the facts, thats the problem now. No one knows what is better for the Fox and it just causes arguments as we all think we do.