Once again:Population bonuses?

[Azathrim]

Ok, let me get this straight:

Prydwen:
Albion
FreeLevel:7
CampBonus: 82%
LastWeekRP: 11 415 496
ActiveChars: 1 516

Midgard
FreeLevel:7
CampBonus: 88%
LastWeekRP: 10 502 661
ActiveChars: 1 321

Hibernia
FreeLevel: 2
CampBonus: 110%
LastWeekRP: 10 753 288
ActiveChars: 976

Avalon
Albion
FreeLevel: 7
CampBonus: 74%
LastWeekRP: 32 120 738
ActiveChars: 3 709
Midgard
FreeLevel: 7
CampBonus: 94%
LastWeekRP: 41 328 244
ActiveChars: 2 988
Hibernia
FreeLevel: 2
CampBonus: 112%
LastWeekRP: 25 416 663
ActiveChars: 2 099

Ok, can someone please tell me the logic behind the English GM's here?
I mean... Mid/Pry holds less than half the active characters of what Mid/Ava have. Yet Mid/Pry gets less camp bonus than Mid/Ava.

Is the english GM's intent on closing down Prydwen?

I know a few percent is not that big a difference. However, the signal you send to new players are very strong: Don't start up on Prydwen, other servers need more help!

 

[Rookiescot]

Ok, let me get this straight:

Prydwen:
Albion
FreeLevel:7
CampBonus: 82%
LastWeekRP: 11 415 496
ActiveChars: 1 516

Midgard
FreeLevel:7
CampBonus: 88%
LastWeekRP: 10 502 661
ActiveChars: 1 321

Hibernia
FreeLevel: 2
CampBonus: 110%
LastWeekRP: 10 753 288
ActiveChars: 976

Avalon
Albion
FreeLevel: 7
CampBonus: 74%
LastWeekRP: 32 120 738
ActiveChars: 3 709
Midgard
FreeLevel: 7
CampBonus: 94%
LastWeekRP: 41 328 244
ActiveChars: 2 988
Hibernia
FreeLevel: 2
CampBonus: 112%
LastWeekRP: 25 416 663
ActiveChars: 2 099

Ok, can someone please tell me the logic behind the English GM's here?
I mean... Mid/Pry holds less than half the active characters of what Mid/Ava have. Yet Mid/Pry gets less camp bonus than Mid/Ava.

Is the english GM's intent on closing down Prydwen?

I know a few percent is not that big a difference. However, the signal you send to new players are very strong: Don't start up on Prydwen, other servers need more help!

Yeah mate when you look at that it can seem a little off but you have to realise that the bonus is given relative to the other realm populations on a server.
Not across servers.

 

[Otho]

Just a small question. It says "activechars", is that really characters or is it accounts?

 

[Kami]

characters - bit obvious from the name really.

 

[Otho]

If it is characters, how can GOA set fair population bonus? Is it not the amount of accounts that tells how active a realm are? To me a better measure of population in a realm would be the total amount of hours the accounts are logged on.

/Otho

 

[Jeriraa]

Hmm, if everyone has as many sub-50 alts as me and we all delete them Mid will be underpopulated in notime.

 

[Azathrim]

ActiveChars is the only indication we have of number of players on a realm. It's not very good though, as it's just the number of characters logged on in the last week or so. So, if I log on all 16 characters on my two accounts in an hour, it increases the number greatly. If I stick to main+buffbot it's only 2 active characters.

However, it is a slightly indication - nothing more.

What is interesting is, that it is no secret that Prydwen as a whole is underpopulated. Yet servers that have a far greater population across all realms gets higher and better bonuses.

That is the wrong signal to send. It just tells the Prydwen players that GoA is ok with the server dying out.

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Imo GOA ought to add +75% or +100% to both RVR and PVE bonusses for ALL three realms on Prydwen ON TOP of the bonusses as they stand right now. Giving bonusses to a sever based on it's population and not on total population of all servers is a little silly as it will never make people move here, which was the thought after adding the bonusses to begin with.

 

[Gamah]

Albion has has the lowest population for the last 3 days (that I have been checking) with other realm on prydwen...yet we are still classed as "overpopulated"

 

[Daedalus]

Albion has has the lowest population for the last 3 days (that I have been checking) with other realm on prydwen...yet we are still classed as "overpopulated"

That just comes with the realm :/
People don't look at the average active RvR player, the average realm rank, as well as the average LWRP per player, if it's albion, it's overpopulated and overpowered!

 

[Eva]

I don't think goa/mythic sit and have a paper where it says how many numbers you need to be underpopulated, I think it's different for every server. So I can't see why you're whining.

Mid/ava got 700~less active chars than Alb/ava.
2988/3709=0.805 80.5%

Mid/pryd got 200~ elss active chars than Alb/pryd.
1321/1516=0.871 87.1%

Mid/ava is more underpopulated than Mid/pryd when you compare it to the biggest realm on the server. Therefor they have higher underpopulated bonuses.

Edit: some errors

Edit2: It's probably more advanced, but I blame boredom.

 

[Ilum]

I know a few percent is not that big a difference. However, the signal you send to new players are very strong: Don't start up on Prydwen, other servers need more help!

Prydwen and Avalon aint really competeing for players as its for 2 different languages..

 

[Aoln]

Well considering loads of people have left prydwen to move to avalon (despite language), people from other servers probably do aswell.

And why? Large population and still better population bonuses, another fuckup from GOA just when they can't afford to.

 

[Ilum]

Loads of people? I see maybe 10 people, tops 15 people, from Prydwen, at same time. Not really loads of people, its just a very small number of people

 

[Draylor]

Ok, can someone please tell me the logic behind the English GM's here?

Definitely looks a bit odd.

There might be some sense to it though: with a smaller player base on a server there should be less people hunting any given camp of mobs, so the camp bonus (which increases when that particular camp isnt being killed) should have more time to regenerate.

Probably doesnt make alot of sense, I know what I was trying to say ...

 

[xxManiacxx]

active chars doesnt say much. I mostly login over 6 different chars every week. Maybe I should start just logging in one?

 

[Azathrim]

Now also this particular realm of Hibernia on Prydwen.

Let us look at their RP bonus of 5%

Currently:
Hibernia: 11 693 537
Albion: 11 207 519
Midgard: 11 005 806

Here we see, that the clearly underpopulated realm is on-top of the RP earnings.
So less people earn more RP than in the other realms.
But, some might argue that the only reason they are ontop, is due to the RP bonus, wrong:

11 693 537 / 1,05 = 11 136 702

So, even adjusted, the realm with the least people would still be on 2nd place.

Once again, what are the reasons behind these bonuses GameMasters?

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Prydwen and Avalon aint really competeing for players as its for 2 different languages..

Glad someone pointed that out, no point trying to appeal to English speaking players on a foreign realm is there.

 

[Azathrim]

Ok Whoodoo, want me to list the population bonuses for the Excalibur realms? Just so you know... they are higher. Which server is biggest, Prydwen or Excalibur? Are they both english?

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Ok Whoodoo, want me to list the population bonuses for the Excalibur realms? Just so you know... they are higher. Which server is biggest, Prydwen or Excalibur? Are they both english?

This isnt about comparing servers my freind, its about the populations on servers as individuals, so quote what you like. This is about how many players there are on each server. The idea is not to over power any particular realm, but to encourage new players to balance the number of players available.

However, with the advent of WoW, its a poor time to judge numbers on servers at all, as some have left, some never to return, but I am sure GOA are watching the figures and will adjust things accordingly.

As for statistics, heres a good one.

In the 1960's, the UK government launched a campaign against drink driving, the slogan was "10% of all road accidents were caused by drink driving!!". But Jo-public read this as "90% were caused by sober drivers, so you are better off being pissed!". Sod all to do with the topic, but makes me laff.

 

[Azathrim]

This isnt about comparing servers

Says who?

If, by some wierd accident, some new player found out there was a game called Camelot in Europe... he logs on, and checks the official home page.

He sees this thing about XP bonus.

Which server does he pick for his starting realm? The one with 98% exp bonus or the one with 88% exp bonus?

Which is it?

 

[Kicks]

Says who?

If, by some wierd accident, some new player found out there was a game called Camelot in Europe... he logs on, and checks the official home page.

He sees this thing about XP bonus.

Which server does he pick for his starting realm? The one with 98% exp bonus or the one with 88% exp bonus?

Which is it?

The one with native language

 

[Azathrim]

The one with native language

Excalibur and Prydwen are both english servers.
Excalibur have a far greater population than Prydwen.
Excalibur have bigger population bonuses.

What was your point again?

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Excalibur and Prydwen are both english servers.
Excalibur have a far greater population than Prydwen.
Excalibur have bigger population bonuses.

What was your point again?

Wrong. Again this is not about comparing servers, its about balancing REALM NUMBERS. Hello, McFly...anyone home? This means the "new player" sees that whichever server he chooses, has its OWN bonus's.

Mr Newplayer sees that Excalibar and Prydwen both have bonus xp etc, so he thinks "Ill join that one". As for his choice of server, well thats up to him, some will choose Excal due to its high population, others would choose Prydwen due to better camp spots, more chance of getting artis and the peace and quiete. Its a totally seperate issue. This whole idea was to balance the realms on a server, not improve one servers population.

 

[Argante]

Excalibur have a far greater population than Prydwen.

What about Buffbots? most ppl at Exc has one

 

[Azathrim]

What about Buffbots? most ppl at Exc has one

I would guess the level of buffbots is about the same percentage wise.

And Whoodoo, your argument that the population bonuses is 100% based on realm vs. realm on each independent server is excactly what I am questioning with this thread.

Just saying 'that is how it is' is not an argument, nor a very good explanation.

So far no GM have answered the community though.

Why is a low-pop server getting lower population bonuses than a high-pop server Requiel?

 

[majik]

How you can begin to compare prydwen and avalon is beyond me.

 

[cHodAX]

Why is a low-pop server getting lower population bonuses than a high-pop server Requiel?

A very good question that needs addressing.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

And Whoodoo, your argument that the population bonuses is 100% based on realm vs. realm on each independent server is excactly what I am questioning with this thread.

Where'd I say that? I would have thought its based on the amount of players in total that are active on the servers, not in anyway attatched to RvR, level or time online.

 

[Otho]

Why is a low-pop server getting lower population bonuses than a high-pop server Requiel?

I really would like to see a GM answer this!