omg i hate jobsworths!!

[Sparx]

So your saying your joke is more childish?

 

[Aoami]

I'm massively confused! Don't bother trying to explain because i really really couldn't care less!

 

[old.Tohtori]

So your saying your joke is more childish?

No no, Ch3tan is more childish, playground "i have a club nyar!" childish, i was just being a dick about it and making a sarcastic comment about how childish it sounded/is(akin to "your father sucks")

I'm massively confused! Don't bother trying to explain because i really really couldn't care less!

Then don't ask damnit! :lol:

 

[Bugz]

I'm simply saying that asking government employees to deliver a personal message is ridicilous. How about they deliver EVERYONES messages about nmilk running out, about the dog running away, about how they have to pick up the kids etc.

I'm not quite show how it is ridiculous?

If someone rang my store and said: 'Hi there, my boyfriend is currently in your shop and I need him to call me urgently but I have misplaced his number (or whatever) - his name is B2,' 2 minutes later I would be on the tanoid making said 15-second call.

Now a govf. employee, working in a place that deals with unemployed people, calling out for one person to infact not bother wasting time signing up to other jobs, in which there is problematic delays or means another person has to wait longer at getting said job, should be more willing than me to do such an act as it is in the government's interests.

 

[Commandment]

I'm not quite show how it is ridiculous?

If someone rang my store and said: 'Hi there, my boyfriend is currently in your shop and I need him to call me urgently but I have misplaced his number (or whatever) - his name is B2,' 2 minutes later I would be on the tanoid making said 15-second call.

Now a govf. employee, working in a place that deals with unemployed people, calling out for one person to infact not bother wasting time signing up to other jobs, in which there is problematic delays or means another person has to wait longer at getting said job, should be more willing than me to do such an act as it is in the government's interests.

ill have to agree. i would feel like a humanitarian telling some poor soul that they don't actually have to wait in a dole office.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm not quite show how it is ridiculous?

Multiply it to every single person calling every single office for every single person at any given time and you'll see the problem.

If it's not an emergency, i don't see the point in even asking employees to do it.

 

[Dukat]

Multiply it to every single person calling every single office for every single person at any given time and you'll see the problem.

If it's not an emergency, i don't see the point in even asking employees to do it.

Thats like saying you should only drive on the roads if its an emergency, because if everyone who owned a car all drove at once it would jam up the system.

Its a very rare system that works in the worstcase like that - remember daoc when everyone played at once and it slowed, and sometimes crashed the servers? Yet you never saw GOA saying "Only log on if its an emergency otherwise the system can't cope", did you ?

But dont let me do anything as drastic as change your opinion using logic and common sense, right?

 

[Sparx]

i can see tohs point of view tho, make a habit of doing something for one person then where do you draw the line. that said though if they had passed the message across then it would have saved everyone time including the staff

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thats like saying you should only drive on the roads if its an emergency, because if everyone who owned a car all drove at once it would jam up the system.

Its a very rare system that works in the worstcase like that - remember daoc when everyone played at once and it slowed, and sometimes crashed the servers? Yet you never saw GOA saying "Only log on if its an emergency otherwise the system can't cope", did you ?

But dont let me do anything as drastic as change your opinion using logic and common sense, right?

That's really not the same, not by any standard.

It's not regular for the employees of an unemployment office, a store, a bar etc etc to pass messages for random people. If they do, ok, nice of them. But you can't get pissy and angry at someone for not doing it.

Perhaps they were swamped, perhaps they were with a client, perhaps they were already late due to the unemployment status. Who knows.

If they help you and pass the message, praise that person for going out of their way, but do't go on a rant over an employee who doesn't.

i can see tohs point of view tho, make a habit of doing something for one person then where do you draw the line. that said though if they had passed the message across then it would have saved everyone time including the staff

That might be true, it could've saved their time, but it very well could've wasted the next customers time, or swamp the employee more.

The BF was in the system, he would go along normally, it would be routine. Passing a message and setting an example of "yes we pass messages" could've done more harm.

What shoudl've happened here is EQ to realise that "Hmm, they can't pass messages due to XYZ and i'll just tell my BF when he gets home."

 

[Turamber]

His point of view is just to disagree with everybody and think he's being outrageous and the voice of reason all at the same time. It is funny sometimes but thread after thread gets tedious.

 

[old.Tohtori]

His point of view is just to disagree with everybody and think he's being outrageous and the voice of reason all at the same time. It is funny sometimes but thread after thread gets tedious.

It's disagree with ANYBODY. Difference.

If i disagree, i disagree, it's simple as that. If you don't like it, try to argue your point without copout claims. I also don't do it for reasons XYZ, i do it because i disagree. 6 billion people.

It's funny how people make it into something else though, with complete disregard when i agree 'cause, well, there's no one disagreeing then eh?

 

[Aoami]

It's funny how you feel the need to respond to the bait everytime it's waved infront of your face.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's funny how you feel the need to respond to the bait everytime it's waved infront of your face.

I'll admit to that, i do tend to answer everything that is asked, said or posted.

That's my fault, the baiting on the other hand

 

[Lamp]

it would be a very boring world if everyone agreed with everyone all the time
dissension is healthy

 

[Raven]

Don't encourage it. I have never set anyone on ignore before on FH but this arguebot is getting close.

 

[ST^]

Thats like saying you should only drive on the roads if its an emergency, because if everyone who owned a car all drove at once it would jam up the system.

Roads are there just so we can drive on them.

Job Centre employees are certainly not hired to pass on personal messages.

I'm sure you can do better than that.

 

[Bugz]

Job centre employees are employed to have people find a job as quickly as possible.

If passing on a message to b2 to not apply for x job so y person can infact get into x job instead then IMO, that is within their duties.

My job description doesn't say 'pass messages on to people' but since I know being kind and considerate is likely to keep customers happy and coming back, I will happily do it.

I really do not see how you can say people will 'continue to do it over and over.' If Bob rang up to ask the job center to tell his wife to get a bag of sugar, I can understand why you'd say no. But for gods sake, this is a guy who is signing onto jobs that other people can sign onto instead!

If you don't see the benefit in that then I wonder how the hell you are employed (except for toht ofc - who spends more time unemployed than employed! ).

 

[ST^]

If passing on a message to b2 to not apply for x job so y person can infact get into x job instead then IMO, that is within their duties.

Hahaha, no. Not now, not ever.

I really do not see how you can say people will 'continue to do it over and over.' If Bob rang up to ask the job center to tell his wife to get a bag of sugar, I can understand why you'd say no. But for gods sake, this is a guy who is signing onto jobs that other people can sign onto instead!

It's still just a non-emergency personal message, the content isn't relevant.

 

[Dukat]

Roads are there just so we can drive on them.

Job Centre employees are certainly not hired to pass on personal messages.

I'm sure you can do better than that.

It was kind of an example - it won't carry all the way, but the point remains, which is why I re-enforced it further with the next bit.

Yes, the example was probably a bit shit in all honesty, but you can atleast see the point I was trying to make ?

 

[Bugz]

ST^ you sound like the worse kind of employee to have - I feel sorry for your employer!

 

[ST^]

It was kind of an example - it won't carry all the way, but the point remains, which is why I re-enforced it further with the next bit.

Yes, the example was probably a bit shit in all honesty, but you can atleast see the point I was trying to make ?

Kinda but I think you were replying to a point of Toht's I don't care about anyway. I don't believe it's a time issue, more of a policy issue.

 

[ST^]

ST^ you sound like the worse kind of employee to have - I feel sorry for your employer!

Don't feel sorry for them, I'm an amazing asset. I'm sure they'll appreciate that I spend most of my time doing my job instead of personal errands for people who aren't going to make us any money.

 

[Bugz]

I think saying that in response to a comment made in a threat about the job center kind of negated everything you said and will say from here on haha.

 

[ST^]

I think saying that in response to a comment made in a threat about the job center kind of negated everything you said and will say from here on haha.

Well it wouldn't be the first time you've been wrong in this thread.

 

[Bugz]

Firstly, job center isn't there to make money. It's to increase the rate of f (that is finding a job) in the economy.

Secondly, the 'personal errand' of b2 being informed he does not need to sit with an employee and fill out details for 30 minutes will infact increase the rate of f by not wasting time.

I really do not see how people can't see that. Bag of sugar does not increase the rate of f; preventing the wasting of time does.

 

[Raven]

They get paid either way so they don't actually care. Its not as if they are on a commission.

 

[ST^]

Firstly, job center isn't there to make money. It's to increase the rate of f (that is finding a job) in the economy.

You commented about my employer, whose purpose is to make money. Consider it an analogy. It applies.

Secondly, the 'personal errand' of b2 being informed he does not need to sit with an employee and fill out details for 30 minutes will infact increase the rate of f by not wasting time.

Yes, I'm quite sure that the purpose of the phone call was to save the precious time of job centre employees, and that this 'b2' character saving some time was purely coincidental.

I really do not see how people can't see that. Bag of sugar does not increase the rate of f; preventing the wasting of time does.

If I make a personal blanket policy to not pass on personal messages, I'm definitely going to save time and "increase the rate of f". That is, of course, assuming there are still enough inconsiderate people out there to make attempts at wasting my time.

 

[Bugz]

Yes, I'm quite sure that the purpose of the phone call was to save the precious time of job centre employees, and that this 'b2' character saving some time was purely coincidental.

" I can't do anything about that" ..."RIGHT, so yes I understand you at the job centre cannot inform someone that they have found employment and insist they sit through 2 hrs of useless paperwork...sounds about right!!!" *fume and hang up on Mmm'ing bitch*

If a doctor becomes a doctor for the money & job security, does that mean him saving someone does not ring as valuable as someone who goes into being a doctor purely for helping people? Either way the same outcome occurs - this is the same case.

Anywho, us arguing over this is silly. You go your way, I'll go mine and we'll all bash toht some more when he next posts

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well glad someone gets the point and agrees even.

To Bugz;

My job description doesn't say 'pass messages on to people' but since I know being kind and considerate is likely to keep customers happy and coming back, I will happily do it.

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If you don't see the benefit in that then I wonder how the hell you are employed (except for toht ofc - who spends more time unemployed than employed! ).

Being kind means nothing in a job centre as the customer doesn't have to be happy. They are there to help you get a job, if you get one during the time you're there, it's none of their concern and should not be.

And, joke or not, i've been in work longer then you were an adult, so shush.

Firstly, job center isn't there to make money. It's to increase the rate of f (that is finding a job) in the economy.

Secondly, the 'personal errand' of b2 being informed he does not need to sit with an employee and fill out details for 30 minutes will infact increase the rate of f by not wasting time.

I really do not see how people can't see that. Bag of sugar does not increase the rate of f; preventing the wasting of time does.

By not delivering the message, the worker saved time to efficiently handle the job centre customers. If no messages are delivered, lot of time saved. This was not an emergency, EQ didn't even properly introduce the issue(until it was too late) and if policy says no messages, that's how things work. You live with it.

Better said here;

If I make a personal blanket policy to not pass on personal messages, I'm definitely going to save time and "increase the rate of f". That is, of course, assuming there are still enough inconsiderate people out there to make attempts at wasting my time.

Now;

If a doctor becomes a doctor for the money & job security, does that mean him saving someone does not ring as valuable as someone who goes into being a doctor purely for helping people? Either way the same outcome occurs - this is the same case.

Another poor example, doctors become doctors to save lives. It's part of the job, that makes the money & job security. A doctor who kills patients, won't be rich for long. This is not the same case, the same case is this;

The job centre employer is not, by any other way then 'to be nice', mandated to deliver personal messages and assuming they would is silly. Especially since EQ so rantably was annoyed at idiotic customers at the library. As i said, if the tables were turned, EQ would post something akin to;

"This mental chick wanted me to deliver her message to her BF and drop all my work, then she got angry as i said 'we don't do that here'. LOL!"

And everyone would agree that the person asking to deliver a message was a real bitch.

 

[Bugz]

Toht, i'm sorry, but your reply is nothing more than a mis-match of replies to cherry picked or mis-interpreted quotes and some ramblings to go with it.

I am not even going to waste my time responding to it all. You may see that as 'my defeat,' but then you're an exceptionally special character so I'd expect no less.