Old Frontiers SI Server

[Himse]

You've probably heard loads of whine, and seen plenty of posts about this type of thing, but why don't mythic just listen to their customers for a change? we pay the money so why dont we get the services.

Money wise, they would gain so much, if they just listened to their customers and took advantage of the fact that if the customers get what they want, they are happier people and wont complain so much about all the issues.

Their customers would be so much more satisfied, they lost ONLY about half their income because they try to make the game better "in the opinion" Bringing out more expansions really doesn't help, it just make people want to play the game less and less because they have tried to make with too much content and too complicated.

I mean, the population of all servers was at least 700+ more people, than nowdays, and thats all atleast £8 a month they have lost out from everyone of those people, and they still dont listen to anything their customers say.

You must have copies of the patches and stuff, why not just upload it etc (im not quite sure how it works etc) and try to fix all of the bugs in the patch? It creates less hassle for you in the long run, and the players have nothing to whine about or report, new bugs may appear obviously, but you have at least sorted out the major ones.

Im guessing ill get "oh it will never happen" etc, but the only reason they say it is because, you dont listen! If you maybe took some time to read your rightnow things rather than just use these poor reply techniques, etc, your customers may be more interested in playing the game, and no whining about how the service is so poor and how the servers and laggy and buggy.

People wouldn't be bothered about re-leveling characters,its the old rvr we miss so much and would like back, i think people would definatly come back, because the fights in the old frontiers were so much better. The only frustration they have nowdays is they have to, level, toa,ml, gain rr's, then your talking about adding these new levels? To me it seems pretty pointless, the game was alot better when it was simple. There were more rvr groups, and plenty more people around to group up with and pve some etc, but nowdays, you can't (try counting the amount of people that actually enter the classic zone)

This is probably a pointless post, but the issues stated here in my opinion are correct, maybe we could have a poll or something? to send off to Mythic?

Himse

 

[Coccas]

Mythic actually had a poll about a NF/no ToA server and some other server ideas, cant remember what won and cba checking, can find it in some old news on the herald

 

[Himse]

Mythic actually had a poll about a NF/no ToA server and some other server ideas, cant remember what won and cba checking, can find it in some old news on the herald

yeh but thats some Home Invasion, not exactly great tbh, gonna be too much like pvp imo.

Ok, i ask you a question, did you have better fights, and feel you had done alot more with your character in NF or OF?

 

[- English -]

they wont make one as noone will buy their latest expansions , its best to find a freeshard methinks

 

[Himse]

they wont make one as noone will buy their latest expansions , its best to find a freeshard methinks

You cannot get a freeshard with OF, nobody plays on it + they dont distribute the OF patches anymore.

they wouldnt need to release any expansions if they actually listened, they would make enough money.

 

[Aeva]

I totally understand and agree with you Himse mate. I remember logging in Emain and all you needed to do was shout '50 merc lfg' and you'd get a group, now that you can port to keeps etc there is less of that.
When people were running around in SI you could easily compete with just epic armour and some decent weps, you didn't have to spend hours on end getting MLs, artefacts and other crap, almost every fight was 8 vs 8 and hardly any adders back then. There wasn't a very big ability range back then, most people did quite well in rvr, now there is a BIG, and I mean BIG difference between good and 'bad' players.

omg my grammar was close to perfect there

 

[Awarkle]

naw pre toa rvr consisted of the following

MMG (emain) ________ AMG (emain) repeat until bored

 

[Aeva]

MMG (emain) _______________ AMG (emain) > NF

 

[Bleeker]

naw pre toa rvr consisted of the following

MMG (emain) ________ AMG (emain) repeat until bored

it was also Ligen________DieAtBolg repeat until bored :/

 

[Awarkle]

yeah i dont think the albs / mids realised how crap it was for hibs to go from ligen take 5 mins to get to emain (10 if you didnt have a bard / lost speed to random agro) only to be steamrollered into the floor by the 2fgs of stealthers / guild groups / adds / people camping bolg / crim.

old frontiers was lame and boring and the only people who enjoyed it was the


3 button muppets. <master assist> <face/stick> <anytime/anyspell> yay we all win dark age.

0 skill 0 fun.

 

[Shafu]

I prefer OF over NF more than anyone, but at the same time I dont like the idea of splitting the game into several directions. It's just sad really that the game that we ALL love(d) has been changed to such a degree that it's difficult to come up with any solution to fix it other than to go back to how it was before.

You can't please everyone, but I think it's fair to say that Mythic could have done much better with ToA, NF etc. I don't mind expansions, in fact I was very much looking forward to NF back then, because a facelift and something to spice up RvR was deffinately needed, but who would have thought that the outcome was so bad that many people would actually just prefer to go back to a previous state.

/end rambling

 

[Aeva]

I agree Shafu, the thing with nf kinda happened like this:

Mythic, 'oh no, of is getting a bit old, lets make nf and everyone will be happy'

I just dont understand why the don't just improve the frontires rather than just completely changing them

 

[Himse]

yeah i dont think the albs / mids realised how crap it was for hibs to go from ligen take 5 mins to get to emain (10 if you didnt have a bard / lost speed to random agro) only to be steamrollered into the floor by the 2fgs of stealthers / guild groups / adds / people camping bolg / crim.

old frontiers was lame and boring and the only people who enjoyed it was the


3 button muppets. <master assist> <face/stick> <anytime/anyspell> yay we all win dark age.

0 skill 0 fun.

er, obviously you played a 3 button class? :E

but what rvr do you do no Awarkle? fuck all? you just sit and SC all day...

 

[Huntingtons]

for some strange reason i was only little rvr active in si, enjoyed every bit of it. Hell, with toa and OF i enjoyed rvr alot more than NF.

The adds have doubled because noobs found out how easy it was to make rp's spamming arrows in a tower or on a bridge.

The trip to emain was something i enjoyed more than i enjoy the boat rides. Boat sucks. You can't go afk on a boat to grab a bit of food or something else, coz you might needa jump some place (coz of droppoint campers). In OF you could do those things, people would wait at bolg untill you returned.

In OF you knew where you had your adds, and you'd avoid the places.
In OF it was much easier to keep a track of where you were if ya knew the frontier (in NF you use the map, but it wont help you in combat).

In OF you had alot more suprise fights comming around a corner or over a hill. Doesn't happen as much anymore
OF we miss you

 

[Coccas]

Aye, bring back our old beloved fontiers instead of this new "improved" version

 

[old.Whoodoo]

This is probably a pointless post, but the issues stated here in my opinion are correct, maybe we could have a poll or something? to send off to Mythic?

Mythic did that poll, and GOA even posted a link to it on the main site, and on here, you must have added it to the "cba to click the link" section.

Heres my pros and cons of NF and OF

OF pros:
easy to navigate
more open battle fields

OF Cons:
Bottlenecks created at MGs and emain bowl, the rest of the frontiers didnt exist.
Stealthers paradise at MGs
15 mins to run without a skald to the far ends (Odins for eg)
Boring keeps.
FOTM groups own anything before the rest get a lookin
Camping PKs (morons)
15 mins to port
Having to port at all
Port>buff>run>die>release and repeat

NF Pros:
more varied terrain
more varied battlefields
better transportation to lots of areas
no bottlenecks, hunt where you like
more seige
more defence
less zerg
better use of tactics rather than "run from a-b"

NF cons
Lag...well not really..
No bottlenecks for stealthers to camp (get out more!)
weird terrain - "too steep" my arse

After all posts like this, I still cant see what the beef is with NF at all. The TOA thing on the other hand is a bit of a drag, but if you dont like PvE, theres always counterstrike. Surprised you didnt also suggest a "free level 50, Free SC and free MP armour for all" server while you were at it.

 

[Xzynia]

Mythic did that poll, and GOA even posted a link to it on the main site, and on here, you must have added it to the "cba to click the link" section.

Heres my pros and cons of NF and OF

OF pros:
easy to navigate
more open battle fields

OF Cons:
Bottlenecks created at MGs and emain bowl, the rest of the frontiers didnt exist.
Stealthers paradise at MGs
15 mins to run without a skald to the far ends (Odins for eg)
Boring keeps.
FOTM groups own anything before the rest get a lookin
Camping PKs (morons)
15 mins to port
Having to port at all
Port>buff>run>die>release and repeat

NF Pros:
more varied terrain
more varied battlefields
better transportation to lots of areas
no bottlenecks, hunt where you like
more seige
more defence
less zerg
better use of tactics rather than "run from a-b"

NF cons
Lag...well not really..
No bottlenecks for stealthers to camp (get out more!)
weird terrain - "too steep" my arse

After all posts like this, I still cant see what the beef is with NF at all. The TOA thing on the other hand is a bit of a drag, but if you dont like PvE, theres always counterstrike. Surprised you didnt also suggest a "free level 50, Free SC and free MP armour for all" server while you were at it.

Couldnt agree more!

 

[Zede]

I totally understand and agree with you Himse mate. I remember logging in Emain and all you needed to do was shout '50 merc lfg' and you'd get a group, now that you can port to keeps etc there is less of that.
When people were running around in SI you could easily compete with just epic armour and some decent weps, you didn't have to spend hours on end getting MLs, artefacts and other crap, almost every fight was 8 vs 8 and hardly any adders back then. There wasn't a very big ability range back then, most people did quite well in rvr, now there is a BIG, and I mean BIG difference between good and 'bad' players.

omg my grammar was close to perfect there

You playing a different game ?

If people couldnt be arsed getting at least ONE character ML'd & ToA - seriously your playing the wrong type of game.

 

[Naffets]

Sorry Himse..

It isn't going to happen

Besides, your assuming that all current players of exc/pry would move to this OF SI server, when not everyone would. Some people who have put shit loads of work into toa'ing, ml'ing characters won't give it up so easily. Fair enough, i would but not everyone will. I have ~5 ml10 characters and 3 of those are fully toa'd, which is a hell of a lot of work and other players have even more. Giving that up in the name of easymode is a bit much for some.

It would split the already underpopulated community in half, so wouldn't be that many new customers/players on there anyway.

I'll admit i'd love a SI OF server though.

 

[Ashnor]

When people were running around in SI you could easily compete with just epic armour and some decent weps, you didn't have to spend hours on end getting MLs, artefacts and other crap, almost every fight was 8 vs 8 and hardly any adders back then.

I donno what game you played, but sure dosnt sound like the daoc I played at that time.
Getting decent grps with epic armour, I think not, more like get some MP SCed and some Sidi/galla/whatever items and then we can talk. (I agree its worse now tho)
8vs 8 fights and no adding.. yep

But yeah when we talk about old days everything was better :wub:

 

[Overdriven]

Completely delete NF, don't reinstate OF..


Get Thidranki. Expand it. (All keeps within distance of eachother) and have one CK with 4 towers around it. Who ever has 2+ towers gets DF, who ever gets all 4 towers and takes the CK and claims it for about 2 days gets a relic of their choise.

Would work? Though it'd have to be changed a little bit.

 

[chretien]

OF was crap and turned a lot of people off RvR.
Port to Emain. Run to MG. Get wiped by the high RR groups patrolling or the ten zillion stealthers camping. Release. Port back rinse and repeat for as long as you could stand the tedium. Occasionally there'd be a rush to break the deadlock. There'd be a big zergy fight just the other side of the MG and you had about a 50/50 chance of surviving it and earning about 10RPs or dying in the first few seconds and earning nothing at all.
Had fun from time to time porting to Odins and roaming for a bit, but generally you spent all night there without meeting anyone or an opted, high RR group would wipe you in seconds.

NF was a welcome shot in the arm for RvR. The only people who don't like it are the ones who find anything more complex than CS with swords beyond their comprehension.

 

[Mauness]

if everyone eas to show hoe much TOA has killed the game/RVR it would be better if no-one actually logged on.

If they found the servers were at an all time low of 0-100ppl im sure they'd realise then listen to ppl.

although saying that im also drunk, but it does make sense

 

[Elitestoner]

OF was crap and turned a lot of people off RvR.
Port to Emain. Run to MG. Get wiped by the high RR groups patrolling or the ten zillion stealthers camping. Release. Port back rinse and repeat for as long as you could stand the tedium. Occasionally there'd be a rush to break the deadlock. There'd be a big zergy fight just the other side of the MG and you had about a 50/50 chance of surviving it and earning about 10RPs or dying in the first few seconds and earning nothing at all.
Had fun from time to time porting to Odins and roaming for a bit, but generally you spent all night there without meeting anyone or an opted, high RR group would wipe you in seconds.

NF was a welcome shot in the arm for RvR. The only people who don't like it are the ones who find anything more complex than CS with swords beyond their comprehension.

word

 

[Phuzzy]

I totally understand and agree with you Himse mate. I remember logging in Emain and all you needed to do was shout '50 merc lfg' and you'd get a group, now that you can port to keeps etc there is less of that.
When people were running around in SI you could easily compete with just epic armour and some decent weps, you didn't have to spend hours on end getting MLs, artefacts and other crap, almost every fight was 8 vs 8 and hardly any adders back then. There wasn't a very big ability range back then, most people did quite well in rvr, now there is a BIG, and I mean BIG difference between good and 'bad' players.

omg my grammar was close to perfect there

Word.

Funny how so many of the ToA/NF/Clustering apologists can't get their point across without insulting thse who don't agree. =/

 

[Jaem-]

Same thing new scene, I liked OF but NF is quite fun too.

amgO to hmgO was quite repeatative tho... but on excal at present, has the same situation as alb have Beno and mid has the castle to the top right.

 

[Gear]

Point tho is that in NF you can create and change the bottlenecks. Last night Albs launched an attack at Bhen which received little attention by Hibs. We managed to storm the keep while the inner door was at 2%. After 15 minutes and while repairs were going on, albs came back and took it. Such kind of action, was close to impossible to take place in OF.

No, I don't like keep fights. They are boring as hell, however they do create what can be called "external economies", i.e. open field battles if you know how to get them.

OF was boring like hell. I'd rather play an evolving game (even if it fucks up from time to time) than a stagnant one.

 

[Himse]

Ok, if you can say NF is fun, while being zerged on Bryjna (sp?) by 1000 warlocks.. just taking keeps all day isnt great.

In NF its only fixed groups that actually work in rvr, whereas OF you could put a random group together and do pretty nice, nowdays you just get zerged if you run near a keep.

There is no specific meeting points in NF, like the old runs in OF you were bound to find a group somewhere along the line, now i find i can't find anyone unless i run near a keep, then i get zerged or rolled by a fixed FG etc.

 

[Gamah]

Ok, if you can say NF is fun, while being zerged on Bryjna (sp?) by 1000 warlocks.. just taking keeps all day isnt great.

Least you have a CHOICE not to goto bryjna, theres penty of other places to go..I havn't been to bryjna for about 4 months and I still make good rpts.
In OF you didn't have a choice..those 1000 warlocks would be camping a mile gate and it would be impossible to go around them.

In NF its only fixed groups that actually work in rvr, whereas OF you could put a random group together and do pretty nice, nowdays you just get zerged if you run near a keep.

If you put together a random group chances are you would be steamrolled by an opted guildgroup in under 5 min..I think your having a selective memory

 

[Kami]

Old frontiers was boring, can't believe people have forgotten how dire it was.