Old chestnut

[Tom]

I was playing tonite on cs server 2, and came across 2 guys both playing together on a lan, on the same team, openly admitting that they were spotting for each other.

Its not something that I'd ever thought of before, and they refused to accept that it was cheating. The point is, 90 minutes of asking for an admin, and none were available. Plenty of TFC admins around though.

Why can't TFC admins work on CS servers as well? Is there something stopping this?

 

[old.Kez]

What can you do? Ban them for playing within the same room? Ask them not to look around when they're dead? It may well be a dubious thing to do - at least in CS - but its a little melodramatic. And to be honest, if BW started banning such things, I'd call them laughable.

Hmm.

 

[Tom]

Its cheating. Dolly Buffy and Killy all play on a lan, but they don't cheat - they play in separate rooms. Its cheating, its wrong, and yes they should be banned. Its no different from running a wallhack, because the end result is the same.

 

[S-Gray]

Ahh, so thats what you meant before when we where playin on Vegas lol

Well, i *sometimes* use two comps when mates come round, and as ya say, Dolly/Buff and Killy are in diff rooms like me.

But they have to be some prats to actually play like that, lol

 

[Deady]

i'd do some CS admin work if it was needed

 

[Skyler]

We cant ban people who are on LAN.

Think about it, if we banned people for having the same IP, dolly and so many others would get banned....

Its to hard to judge wether they are LAN cheating or not, one small piece of advice will barely be noticable in their play, yet it will give them a total advantage...

Sadly we cant stop them doing it.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Well, i've seen people admit to using RogerWilco on pubs together... If 2 guys have good connections, and they like talking to one another, then why would they not do so?

I don't think there's any problem with that, or playing in the same room really. I used to play with a couple of guys who used their free minutes on their mobiles to play whilst talking to each other.

 

[Tom]

I think your opinion might be different if you were being hunted by a guy being told EXACTLY where you were, and what you were doing. It is very hard to camp with a dropped bomb when the guy hunting for it knows where to look, and where you/your teammates are.

Me and Bungle and a few IC guys were watching these 2 follow people thru walls with AWMs, throw HEs into corners where cts would be unlikely to hide, and generally sit there laughing at our frustration, openly admitting that they 'were doing nothing wrong'.

That's not fair play in my book. If people choose to do it surreptitiously, well thats not something I can complain about, but openly taunting us all with their 'skills' was very annoying.

For the record, their names were:

-=Agent_Die=-
-=Spinal=-

Their wonids were (I won't mind if these are edited out)
242519 agent
60807 spinal

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Ok, so it's not the way the game was meant to be played, but what do you want to do about it? It's hard to prove people are doing that, and there are plenty of people doing it in other ways(i allready stated using a phone and using RW), so really, you're just gonna have to put up with.

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

You could introduce non freechasecam?

Or would that be foolish?

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Play on a LAN and tbh sometimes I do shout out like, HE'S BEHIND YOU! or, AFK AT SPAWN! "Sometimes".

But on the whole we never cheat in my house. Buffy doesn't like it (he's a very moral person when it comes to games) and Killy lives upstairs so we can't shout at each other or the neighbours would have the police round for noise pollution.

Saying that, out of us three original sh33p, only I'm playing CS anymore. Killy has turned to the darkside of TFC !!!

 

[Moving Target]

If they didn't tell you, could you tell that they were looking out for each other?

 

[Tom]

Our suspicions were first raised by one of them appearing to have a wallhack. On dust, he was watching a ct move from the archway near the underpass, to the t spawn. He knew exactly where he was, even though he couldn't have seen the ct move. He was at one point even looking through the floor.

Then they admitted it. And that's the point when I asked for an admin. And got no help, over a 90 minute period.

 

[old.Kez]

Originally posted by tomjeffs
Its cheating. Dolly Buffy and Killy all play on a lan, but they don't cheat - they play in separate rooms.

How wonderfully anti-social of them. Frankly I'd much rather play in the same room and have a laugh, than sit in seperate rooms on my own just to distill rumours and accusations of cheating.

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Not antisocial... student house. We have computers in our sep. bedrooms (small bedrooms).

 

[old.Kez]

Maybe so, but those who have big enough bedrooms to house two pc's should... not do, for fear of being accused of cheating?
If people expected me to sit in the same room as someone else, playing a game and being silent so I didn't give anything away, I'd inevitably laugh in their faces.

its a dubious subject, and it only goes to show the height of paranoia surrounding CS. Easily solved, remove the dynamic chasecams. But everyone'd riot against that, I expect.

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

On several occasions we've tried to house pcs in the same room. With Adz even coming round with his PC. Thing is, it's so much more fun to play LAN games then use net...

Freespace2, Baldurs, CS, AVP, AgeOfEmpires, EmpireEarth, SeriousSam; I find all so much fun playing LAN.

As for cheating using a LAN. I think it's unfair - especially when taken to extremes. However, it does have uses... like when the round has effectively ended and you're waiting for the last ct to find the last t - with one of them being extremely silly and camping at spawn, etc.

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Saying that, it was funny yesterday when one of the D-J lads said it was unfair that we (a&i.cs) were using RW

 

[Mr Bungle]

My twopenneth...

They were blatantly cheating. If people are cheating it sucks, but if it's barely detectable then it's unlikely to infuriate people and hence spoil the game.

When it's blatant it wrecks a game, what was clear is that these people really can't play without help. Hell, I was able to consistently dose the bastards with S H O T T E H ! from 200-300 yards while they tried to AWM me. You know how easy it is to hit my head, I'm the original lightbulb head man. The only time they had the edge was when the target was stationary and thought they were hidden.

As it happens the fury they inspired in our team only served to defeat them because we just redoubled our efforts and ripped through the Ts like greased lightning... They didn't have time to spot before they ate T M P E H !, S H O T T E H !, S C O U T E H ! or M F O U R E H !.

It's not the point though, because it upset both teams and spoilt an otherwise very enjoyable evening.

Oh, their won-id's (in case people are wondering why they are getting shot through walls) are :
242579
60807

Their stock quotes are "You can't ban us, these aren't our won-ids" and "We are BW admins".

Personally I'd like to see anyone falsely claiming to be a BW admin automatically perma-banned for being lame.

-B00ng

 

[ShockingAlberto]

All i can is that if you think playing in the same room is cheating, then you're a muppet. It's no differant to using RW at all, yet RW is accepted as fair.

 

[Mr Bungle]

Mr Threpenneth Worth

Originally posted by ShockingAlberto
All i can is that if you think playing in the same room is cheating, then you're a muppet. It's no differant to using RW at all, yet RW is accepted as fair.

You seem to be putting words in my mouth without bothering to actually read & comprehend my post.

On the topic of playing the same room. I don't have a problem with that, but blatantly using it for a huge advantage sucks - anyway you look at it. I remember playing Quake2 with my pal, and I sat behind him in the same room... I racked up 40:5 kills easy, and he normally level-pegged me.

It is possible for people to play in the same room and not cheat, I do know that. I also accept the fact that because you play in the same room it doesn't mean you cheat. It just sucks when people do spot, it is an unfair advantage and therefore is cheating regardless of where they are in relation to each other. Those guys were on a myg0t style trip, ie: out to wreck people's game.

If you like Tom & I can do some spotting for each other and you can be on the other team, see how you like it.

-B00ng

 

[ShockingAlberto]

It wouldn't bother me one bit... However i don't play CS, i don't play HL; Not done for a while now.

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Thing is most peeps only use RW for clan matches. And that gives you restricted viewing to team-mates only.

You could pick a hole in this and say well then you could watch your clannys back, but at the same time if all the teams are doing then surely it would cancel the disadvantage out?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I thought that you used the chasecam blackout for clan matches? That's what i allways had whenever i played clan matches...

 

[old.Kez]

Originally posted by D0LLySh33p
Thing is most peeps only use RW for clan matches.

Thats their choice though? There's nothing stopping them from running it in public games too? Which achieves an identical effect to playing in the same room, really.

(Well, almost)

 

[Ch3tan]

Originally posted by ShockingAlberto
I thought that you used the chasecam blackout for clan matches? That's what i allways had whenever i played clan matches...

No hardly anyone bothers with that. It makes clan games incredibly boring. Spotting with forcechasecam is just soemthing I have learned to accept.

Of course CS-B don't bother as it would meanfinding 5 players who could all actually use rw or bc

 

[throdgrain]

Good God its obviously cheating. If someone on another pc tells you where the opponants are what can that be but cheating ?
What are you going to do about it ? Well thats another question. If someone blatently admits it they should be kicked imo. If they dont well, I'd suggest that theres little or nothing you can do about it.
I'l be honest, my son plays CS sometimes, and sometimes on the same server as me, and I do find the urge to shout "hes in the vent! " or whatever very nearly overpowering . I dont however, cos I know that would be cheating, and also because hes upstairs and probably couldnt hear me !
However theres no doubt it would give a definate advantage.

 

[Will]

I class it as cheating. If I see two players with the same IP on the same team, I ask one to change teams.

 

[S-Gray]

Thats why i moved my Secondary Computer upstairs, because it wasnt right been near the other one for gaming purposes

Like CounterStrike and Championship Manager in my case, as soon as i got the Network Cable long enough to go where i wanted it too, then Gaming was fun and funny.

Unlike when it was next to me, i always knew where the other guy would be, so it was unfair on both counts, and see who the other guy was buyin on Champ Manager.

But now, i dont have a problem heh

 

[legendario]

Noobage type question.

People have been saying that they have seen 2 people on a server with the same IP. How do you find out someone's IP on BW? and could anyone tell me how find their WON ID also.

Your help will not go unrewarded.



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[Will]

Type status in the console, I assume. Though I use a little program to do it remotely.