Ok, to all Mids and Hibs!!!

[Culanan]

Because it took too long to go to HW. Why bother running all that way to an empty zone?



Because the only reason to hold keeps was for relics, and relics could be defended by 6pbaoers, a dog and an old lady. Plus theres this realm that has a habit of getting up at 5am and attacking undefended relic keeps.



Alternatively they turned the skill level up for you guys - no autofollow insta mez group purge luribomb huddle these days eh?

And i can understand rolling on next patch - because in the US thats when the lowest pop realm (hib) suddenly got the most relics. Gotta say something about class power that....

Not long before NF albs finally twigged onto the combined powers of cabby/sorc/theurge for the ranged game, that's about the time Hibs noticed Albs actually had some awesome ranged capabilities (I certainly noticed an intrepid grp of albs camping HMG in HW).

In NF those abillities are paying off quite nicely, you are right about the relic change next patch. However I think Excal Albs will put up quite a tough fight to hold on to them.

Don't know about the - no autofollow insta mez group purge luribomb huddle- since I've never played RvR that way in my guild, especially as Sta only insta's in exceptional circumstances, he insta mezzed a high rr alb grp near Bolg the other night tho and the entire grp purged and wiped us out in seconds

Ufff to put it simply, Albs learned how to use what they have, Hibs lost some very good players/leaders, I don't think it's that Hibs lost skills cos we got easy mode turned off (being underpopulated for so long I think created some VERY good RvR groups who played against the odds), I think NF just killed off the gank grp for Hib and we just don't zerg very well!

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

funny how pathetic realms can be when they loose their relics.

funny how pathetic certain scouts got when TS hit live servers, Aussie with TS infront of the regular alb zerg along with other scouts ready to take on soloers ^^
maybe u aint fameous for stealth zerging, but one of few stealthers fameous for regular zerging, that's pathetic.

 

[lathoniel]

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run away from a solo sb hehehhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeyaaa chop! out for the count!

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

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run away from a solo sb hehehhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeyaaa chop! out for the count!

roflmao!!!!!

Pretty much sums up every SB whione post since 1.62

hehehehe

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

roflmao!!!!!

Pretty much sums up every SB whione post since 1.62

hehehehe

yep, they are pretty similar to every infil whine post pre 1.62

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

yep, they are pretty similar to every infil whine post pre 1.62

Except one fundamental difference - LA had a bug that wasn't meant to be there. Infils are working as intended

 

[Larc]

Why should everyone smile when they say things?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Why should everyone smile when they say things?

Because it makes the world a happy place! Barney knows a song about that....

 

[RS|Phil]

Informative, well thought out rant - but my point still remained untouched.

And don't give me the range bullshit, thats only going to make a differance if your fighting someone from higher ground which you should be sensible enough to avoid from that disadvantage in the first place

See that's the huge advantage you have, and if you cannot see that then there really is no hope for this discussion between you and I, and we might as well just never speak of it again.

If you can't see that having a powerful, QCable AE mez is better than having an instant cast AE mez then well..... I know which I'd rather have - in NF this is. Admittedly in the good old days of 1.69 the range thing didn't matter so much when it was fg vs fg as the time it took to move that 375 range at skald 5 was tiny.. so the AE mezzers were fairly even. Now though you've got this castle thing.... keep warfare.... which isn't as effected by height as you try and make out - so the sorc just dashes out from cover, qc mezzes the main force, or stand back out of range outside the castle, and mezzes into the castle.

It really is all about range

And scouts? Longest range, highesst damage, and shield styles? Even ignoring slam, you've got engage which makes you solid against other archers.

Plate armour? The other realms might have some advantage in the dmg output of tank classes but tanks are a waste of space now anyway in NF, cept for defending ofc.

Bards..well, they are the hibs most useful class its' true but they also have the problem of having all their eggs in one basket - he dies and they're in trouble.

 

[Filip]

phil i think you forget some important factor's like the RA's ST and TWF..

in alb the frair now really come into it's rigths, with ST. This means that more and more alb groups got all the resist's which never was the case in OF.

And the reaver with TWF3... omg .. a well played BL reaver is a death machine imho closing in on the OF (pre-nerf) savage in lethality..

make an an alb group with those 2 class's and suddenly a class like the theurg shines much more than they did before. (theurg allso rox'ed in OF just for the record)

The theurg get those presious 10 sec's to pet all the support while the enemy tries to get out of ST or TWF.

a bit like in darkageoftankalot OF the combo of strong melee zerkers/savages WITH uber support made the mid group insanely strong..

it is the small tweaks on the combo's which make a realm easy or hard mode..

and imho alb changed from hard to easy mode with NF (combined with most good enemy players left the building)

it seems to me that albs changed class's a lot more than hibs did..
mids are a bit harder becuase of the Zephyr hell

 

[Skilgannon]

And the reaver with TWF3... omg .. a well played BL reaver is a death machine imho closing in on the OF (pre-nerf) savage in lethality..

It's a right bugger though when you get the 15 sec lag spike between hitting Banelord 8 and SQ. You stand there with 2 red lights knowing you log back on in CS

 

[Arnor]

It's a right bugger though when you get the 15 sec lag spike between hitting Banelord 8 and SQ. You stand there with 2 red lights knowing you log back on in CS

yep, so its completely balanced!

 

[Aeoric]

Don't know why the Hibs are whining at Albs, after trouncing 3-4x their
numbers with horrifically overpowered, insane util self-debuffing, insta
stunning, nearsighting nukers, the absurd group-purge x2, the speed6,
Ameliorating Melodic, insta-mezzing, basebuffing, healing, rezzing bard.

You're whining at us for having superior numbers ?

Fact: there are this many of us
Fact: we pay to play
Fact: due to low utility, random alb groups were significantly weaker
than mid/hib equivalents

What do you suggest we do? timeshare an 'equivalent' number of RvR
slots as the active RvR Mid/Hibs ?

Not play ?

Look at your own FotM gank-zerg RvR-guilds that bottled it just as NF
came out. Where are they now ? Off playing CS:Source with OGC2 &
wallhack no doubt, ganking the other players with their l337 skillz0r.

They are the sell-outs, they are the people that didn't even have the
nerve to play NF. Strange co-incidence that the radar-led gank groups
fell off the face of the planet as soon as a patch with anti-radar code
came in ? like f*ck.

Learn to play and handle adversity like the Albs did, who rode the hard
one for two years

Talk your ex-Hib mates on #radar.hib.whine.I_hate_WoW_because_I_
can't_stack_everything_in_my_favour_but_I_pretend_to_love_it_on_FH
into coming back to DAoC and helping out

Your classes are still horribly overpowered, and your gank groups could
still take out 3-4 Alb groups with their one. Your problem is that they
are not on, and your brehon-zerg wasn't properly rp-pl'd in time for NF.

And before you go into one about Albs zerging all the time, I seem to
remember many evenings with ATK beseiged by your filthy tree-hugging
kind, AMG being camped by your shroom-boys. I remember stupid foolish
Albs throwing themselves into the AMG room - with no organisation and
no chance of winning. Hibs abusing the PBAoE-through-walls, shroom
through walls abilities. L337 skills my arse. L337 abuse, safe in the
knowledge that being Mythic's lovechild, they had at least 2x group
purge to save them, along with 400hp every few seconds on the
uninterruptable AM to ALL group members.

I don't feel sorry for the Hibs one bit.. show some character rather than
giving up before the fight and you'll see you are still definately the most
overpowered realm class-wise.

 

[RS|Phil]

Hibs abusing the PBAoE-through-walls

Let's not overdo it.

 

[kiliarien]

Your classes are still horribly overpowered, and your gank groups could still take out 3-4 Alb groups with their one. Your problem is that they are not on, and your brehon-zerg wasn't properly rp-pl'd in time for NF.

You rp-pl'd? oh god that idea scares me a little - you actually went out, formed with the idea of finding other players to kind of 'lvl' on for those in your grp who didn't really deserve it? Dunno why, but that idea worries me slightly, oh naive me!

 

[Marc]

Don't know why the Hibs are whining at Albs, after trouncing 3-4x their
numbers with horrifically overpowered, insane util self-debuffing, insta
stunning, nearsighting nukers, the absurd group-purge x2, the speed6,
Ameliorating Melodic, insta-mezzing, basebuffing, healing, rezzing bard.

You're whining at us for having superior numbers ?

Fact: there are this many of us
Fact: we pay to play
Fact: due to low utility, random alb groups were significantly weaker
than mid/hib equivalents

What do you suggest we do? timeshare an 'equivalent' number of RvR
slots as the active RvR Mid/Hibs ?

Not play ?

Look at your own FotM gank-zerg RvR-guilds that bottled it just as NF
came out. Where are they now ? Off playing CS:Source with OGC2 &
wallhack no doubt, ganking the other players with their l337 skillz0r.

They are the sell-outs, they are the people that didn't even have the
nerve to play NF. Strange co-incidence that the radar-led gank groups
fell off the face of the planet as soon as a patch with anti-radar code
came in ? like f*ck.

Learn to play and handle adversity like the Albs did, who rode the hard
one for two years

Talk your ex-Hib mates on #radar.hib.whine.I_hate_WoW_because_I_
can't_stack_everything_in_my_favour_but_I_pretend_to_love_it_on_FH
into coming back to DAoC and helping out

Your classes are still horribly overpowered, and your gank groups could
still take out 3-4 Alb groups with their one. Your problem is that they
are not on, and your brehon-zerg wasn't properly rp-pl'd in time for NF.

And before you go into one about Albs zerging all the time, I seem to
remember many evenings with ATK beseiged by your filthy tree-hugging
kind, AMG being camped by your shroom-boys. I remember stupid foolish
Albs throwing themselves into the AMG room - with no organisation and
no chance of winning. Hibs abusing the PBAoE-through-walls, shroom
through walls abilities. L337 skills my arse. L337 abuse, safe in the
knowledge that being Mythic's lovechild, they had at least 2x group
purge to save them, along with 400hp every few seconds on the
uninterruptable AM to ALL group members.

I don't feel sorry for the Hibs one bit.. show some character rather than
giving up before the fight and you'll see you are still definately the most
overpowered realm class-wise.

pwnd. There is no comeback from that tbh except for the usual "random warder" which is a standard irc prick/fanboy response anyway.

 

[Danya]

Don't know why the Hibs are whining at Albs, after trouncing 3-4x their
numbers with horrifically overpowered, insane util self-debuffing, insta
stunning, nearsighting nukers, the absurd group-purge x2, the speed6,
Ameliorating Melodic, insta-mezzing, basebuffing, healing, rezzing bard.
...

Always amuses me when people are so worked up over getting beaten they can't even get their facts right. How about you calm down, remember to breathe a bit and think about what you are posting next time.

For a start, chanters have crap util but self-debuff, elds have good util but can't self-debuff, ments are gimps. No one in hib can both nearsight and self-debuff, that's alb/mid specific. No one in hib can insta stun that's alb/mid specific. Group purge was good I'll admit, but it's nnot guaranteed win by any means. Most decent fights had everyone unmezzed for a large part of them anyway (thanks determination! ) Almost no bards ran speed 6, that was largely a midgard thing before the end-buff nerf - twisting slows mezzing reactions. Also it's not hard for albs to run speed 6 with paladin+mincer. AM isn't as big a factor as you make out, I didn't see it used all that often, SoS was a much more powerful ability, especially vs tank groups. Insta mez is done better by mids than hibs (or the old insta-stun then AE mez over the top trick). Bards heals are laughable - bards aren't major healers, they're more useful interrupting and letting the druids and warden do the healing. Rez? Albs have res on a hybrid tank with high survivability. Hibs have it on the character that gets owned first in most fights. I think the advantage is albion's there - bards are more likely to be asking for a res than giving one.

So basically most of the "advantages" you state there aren't even hib advantages - they're alb and mid advantages you're trying to pass off onto hibs to justify your own lack of ability.

 

[Danya]

I don't feel sorry for the Hibs one bit.. show some character rather than
giving up before the fight and you'll see you are still definately the most
overpowered realm class-wise.

With people like you in albion I'm not surprised there's no one in hib or mid. Who wants to fight a neurotic child who throws a trantrum when he gets beaten?

 

[Gibbo]

Always amuses me when people are so worked up over getting beaten they can't even get their facts right. How about you calm down, remember to breathe a bit and think about what you are posting next time.

For a start, chanters have crap util but self-debuff, elds have good util but can't self-debuff, ments are gimps. No one in hib can both nearsight and self-debuff, that's alb/mid specific. No one in hib can insta stun that's alb/mid specific. Group purge was good I'll admit, but it's nnot guaranteed win by any means. Most decent fights had everyone unmezzed for a large part of them anyway (thanks determination! ) Almost no bards ran speed 6, that was largely a midgard thing before the end-buff nerf - twisting slows mezzing reactions. Also it's not hard for albs to run speed 6 with paladin+mincer. AM isn't as big a factor as you make out, I didn't see it used all that often, SoS was a much more powerful ability, especially vs tank groups. Insta mez is done better by mids than hibs (or the old insta-stun then AE mez over the top trick). Bards heals are laughable - bards aren't major healers, they're more useful interrupting and letting the druids and warden do the healing. Rez? Albs have res on a hybrid tank with high survivability. Hibs have it on the character that gets owned first in most fights. I think the advantage is albion's there - bards are more likely to be asking for a res than giving one.

So basically most of the "advantages" you state there aren't even hib advantages - they're alb and mid advantages you're trying to pass off onto hibs to justify your own lack of ability.

As someone one whose main is Wizard I do find it funny when someone from another realm mentions poor utility in their realms caster classes.

 

[Marc]

With people like you in albion I'm not surprised there's no one in hib or mid. Who wants to fight a neurotic child who throws a trantrum when he gets beaten?

u mean like 90% of the current hib/mid population are?

 

[Danya]

As someone one whose main is Wizard I do find it funny when someone from another realm mentions poor utility in their realms caster classes.

Wizards have stacks of utility... Just none of it is in the fire line. Lets face it chanters aren't exactly big on utility in any line either... Light has nuke, 2 asds and one melee debuff, loads of util there, oh yes. The way hib mages are most of the utility is bundled into mana, leaving light as the spec nuke with nothing else line and the specialist line as gimp to the core.

 

[Aeoric]

Always amuses me when people are so worked up over getting beaten they can't even get their facts right. How about you calm down, remember to breathe a bit and think about what you are posting next time.

Yeah - because it was clear I was making the distinction that every nuker
had all those abilties. Thus your intro line dies a death...

For a start, chanters have crap util but self-debuff, elds have good util but can't self-debuff, ments are gimps. No one in hib can both nearsight and self-debuff, that's alb/mid specific.

Ok.

You have a class that can self debuff AND nuke AND stun (such that the
target CANNOT get away) and stealther-seeker pet

You have a class that can nuke AND nearsight AND stun AND stat-debuff

Now, being casters and weak to being hit - but strong from range... what
ability would be handy...

I KNOW !! How about an ability to force the target to stay put and take
the shedload of damage you are dishing out from safe range...

Good Idea - lets give it to our hibs.

Hmm, but thats not enough.. What if WE get mezzed/rooted ? We're
proper fucked then aren't we ?

Hmm - you're right... How about... group-purge ?

BLINDING! .. but what if its down ?

Err.. we'll give it to our Healer class ! then you should have 2x in any
group really..

Cor thanks!!!

:: Exit stage left, as the Hibbie Mythic programmers go off to playtest
:: the fruits of their labour on the Live servers

Most decent fights had everyone unmezzed for a large part of them anyway

What exactly do you class decent fights?

The majority of fights vs Albs ?
Or the few fights vs GoL, TP, BF, FC ?

Let me let you in on a little known secret. For 2 years, instamezzing
classes on Mid/Hib have left the VAST majority of Albs distinctly NOT
unmezzed for a large part of them. In fact the few milliseconds we
were not mezzed, we were in the cookie-cutting PBAoE box.

Almost no bards ran speed 6

Quite frankly - thats an obscene lie.

that was largely a midgard thing before the end-buff nerf - twisting slows mezzing reactions. Also it's not hard for albs to run speed 6 with paladin+mincer

Hmm, for that you need... wait for it... a minstrel AND a paladin... tada
yes thats 1+1 = 2 chars !!

AM isn't as big a factor as you make out, I didn't see it used all that often,

ROFL

SoS was a much more powerful ability

Why are you comparing SoS to AM ?

Group Purge >> SoS
AM >> BoL

Bards heals are laughable - bards aren't major healers, they're more useful interrupting and letting the druids and warden do the healing. Rez?

Simply the fact they CAN heal and Rezz. How many times when it all goes
pear, does the Bard foxtrot oscar at speed6, only to come back and rezz
his mates. Lets see the high survivability Paladin walk away from a losing
fight and be able to come back and ress his mates.

So basically most of the "advantages" you state there aren't even hib advantages - they're alb and mid advantages you're trying to pass off onto hibs to justify your own lack of ability.

Group purge
Caster baseline stun
Ameliorating Melodies
Single-char speed6
Insta-Mezz

This indicates my lack of ability. QED. You are quite clearly correct.

With people like you in albion I'm not surprised there's no one in hib or mid. Who wants to fight a neurotic child who throws a trantrum when he gets beaten?

Mid population almost = Alb population.
pre-NF Hib active RvR population was often above Alb

Face the facts, you were given ALL the plusses, and your 'l337' players
sold out when it became apparent 'some' of your advantages were going
to be taken away. I'm still playing, they are not. Who threw the tantrum
before they got beaten...

See you in the frontiers until you /quit.

 

[Hanni]

lol aeoric, you talk a load of bull

 

[etcetra]

When are people gonna stop comparing sorc's to healers and bards. Its totally different classes, and the only thing they all have in common is CC.

 

[RS|Phil]

pwnd. There is no comeback from that tbh except for the usual "random warder" which is a standard irc prick/fanboy response anyway.

Really. Your signature expresss how much of a valued contribution you are to this community, and to any community - townie dick tbh.

 

[Vodkafairy]

aeoric, you're another one of those unexperienced rvr players who are extremely biased and clueless making a fool out of yourself by posting bullshit here

for your own good get your facts straight

bards wont run speed 6 because you cant cast while playing a song and relying on insta only isnt going to work, any decent group will split up so much only 3-4 people will get caught in mez. and even then your sorc should have mezzed most of the hibs already with his range, which gives him time to cure mez

AM is only a 150 hp heal every few secs, where any proper tank/mage will do 350-650 damage per 1-2 seconds easy. its nice to remove some strain off the healers, but it isn't anything useful. oh wait, yes its useful against random zergs built up by players too gimped to do more than those 150 dmg/tick where you are obviously play in

the rest of your arguments are just really shit, you pick a few 'strong' (some of them are pure bullshit also) points of hib and claim the realm as a whole is overpowered because of them

i can do that too you know,

caba has nearsigh (eld spell), chainstun pet (hib doesnt have that), self-debuffs (chanter spell), ae disease (eld spell), dot (menta spell). OMG i need 3 classes for 1 alb class. omg omg. you get the point? it doesnt work like that

there is simply no way to compare hib groups to alb groups atm, because there is no competition. first there is no proper fg vs fg left, and second most good rvr players in hib have quit.

 

[Vodkafairy]

gay 10 min edit shit,

add this to my post above:


i think the reason you're posting like you are is a different issue, its the gap between 'casual' badly equipped, low rank, unexperienced players and fully toa'd / experienced / high rank players. it has nothing to do with realm balance, you just want something to blame

 

[Overpowered]

Mid population almost = Alb population.
pre-NF Hib active RvR population was often above Alb

Hib active population + 2400 = Mid active population + 1200 = Alb population
Duskwave is down atm, so I cant post or check exact numbers, but something close to that. Check "active chars" on general statistics for Excal yourself when duskwave is back up.
Also belive Hibs always had low numbers, even if u see just RvR pop. Not often I saw a Hib zerg around in OF at least.. Cept in DF.

Face the facts, you were given ALL the plusses, and your 'l337' players
sold out when it became apparent 'some' of your advantages were going
to be taken away.

Tbh it looked alot like very many left the game due to life getting alot harder aye. When u used to playing "easymode" with perfectly balanced mostly high RR group with certain skills and abilities for a long time it will be hard to suddenly lose alot of your abilities and maybe have to make a new char to fit the new combat system and thus going back to "hard/medium-mode." Understand that many left game when they suddenly got thrown back to the bottom of the foodchain. Doesnt count only for Hibs though.

I'm still playing, they are not. Who threw the tantrum
before they got beaten...

Now you got all the plusses.. the numbers and the best zerglingclasses.. problem is that Hibs dont stand a single chance in organised largescale NF raid, while u had a chance in the OF fg v fg in Emain (even though Albion fg was a little weaker then Mid/Hib ones.. gimped pre ToA imo).

See you in the frontiers until you /quit.

Actually, many seem to leave for Prydwen off late

 

[Danya]

Nice how you skip over half my points as it suits you. Insta stun being one. Of course you would skip past that given you have it and hibs don't.
Unlike you I've played quite a lot of RvR in both alb and hib. Alb had some very nice RAs - SoS rocked against tank groups, as did BoF. OF BoF had WAY more utility than AM, not even close to comparable. Plus alb groups would have 2 BoFs.

The majority of fights vs Albs ?
Or the few fights vs GoL, TP, BF, FC ?

The latter of course. Farming random slans isn't fun regardless of which realm you play and which realm is being farmed.

Let me let you in on a little known secret. For 2 years, instamezzing
classes on Mid/Hib have left the VAST majority of Albs distinctly NOT
unmezzed for a large part of them. In fact the few milliseconds we
were not mezzed, we were in the cookie-cutting PBAoE box

I played alb. We usually beat cookie cutting mage groups (this was pre-TOA OF to be sure), our group was geared for fighting tank groups and we were pretty good at that. Some of the fights vs both mid and hib tank groups lasted a good 5 minutes or more, I can assure you very few of the group was mezzed for even a fraction of that.

Hmm, for that you need... wait for it... a minstrel AND a paladin... tada
yes thats 1+1 = 2 chars !!

2 chars any group planning to move above caster speed will have anyway, so not a big deal. It also leaves both chars free to pan etc. rather than having to be spamming buttons to twist all the time. No bard I've ever run with twists for speed 6 unless neccessary, which isn't often. Uusually you roam at speed 5 and only hit speed 6 if really needed, much like albs and mids do I expect.

Simply the fact they CAN heal and Rezz. How many times when it all goes
pear, does the Bard foxtrot oscar at speed6, only to come back and rezz
his mates

Um never because he's dead? Bard is usually first on the floor (maybe after the casters, but well before the druids). Dead people don't run, nor do they res. Besides, by the time everyone is up, ressick gone, rebuffed etc. Might as well release and run back, it takes about the same time.

Group purge
Caster baseline stun
Ameliorating Melodies
Single-char speed6
Insta-Mezz

This indicates my lack of ability. QED. You are quite clearly correct.

Bolt range mez
Caster baseline lifetap
BOf+SoS
Speed6 without gimping mezzer
Insta-Stun

You sir, are an idiot. QED.

Mid population almost = Alb population.
pre-NF Hib active RvR population was often above Alb

Evidence? Flims "active RvR numbers" post indicates that hibs were running about 100-200 below albs in active population pre-NF (now more like 5-600). At no point in his data were hibs higher than albs for numbers. You should really try making less claims with no factual basis.

Face the facts, you were given ALL the plusses, and your 'l337' players
sold out when it became apparent 'some' of your advantages were going
to be taken away. I'm still playing, they are not. Who threw the tantrum
before they got beaten...

You have no knowledge of that which you speak, your opinions are irrelevant. You're just throwing a tantrum about hibs supposed "overpoweredness" and making up spurious arguments with no facts at all to support them.

 

[Ketinna]

Except one fundamental difference - LA had a bug that wasn't meant to be there. Infils are working as intended

listen to the rr4l3 inf, just out from AC, ready to kill with those nasty ROGs