Ok the truth of Night time Relic Raids

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Karl [DAOC]

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I think.... all realms should agree on these principles...

1. Night Time Relic Raids Should Not be Done, this meens, you should be AT the relic keep by 11pm latest

2. If a relic is taken after this time the realm of which the relic was stolen from has the right to take the relic back at any god given hour without being flamed.

3. Real Life events e.g. Football, Work, Church, Holidays are viable times to take relics if wanted (only reason i say this is cos i was an alb playing during the World Cup Football and yes we could have defended we had enough people we just didnt notice.)

4. Obviosly holidays such as Christmas, New Years Etc, are not allowed.


If we all agree in principle to these terms then we should be fine for any future relic raids... what do you guys think. and suggestions?
 
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old.LandShark

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Not even worth trying... :|
It'll never work; for starters, you'd have to get every single GM to agree to it, and there are probably a lot that don't read these boards. Then you'd have to trust em. Then you'd have to define 'primetime' to everyone's satisfaction, which just isn't going to happen cos everyone will disagree.
Plus, lots of people won't even agree that there SHOULD be any kind of gentlemens' agreement on this subject...
*shrug*
 
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Exiled

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Originally posted by Yali Hinata
relic raids 24/7 or close the server
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bingo, otherwise whats the point in having a 24/7 server,
/sarcasm why not just close the frontier out of prime time ? /sarcasm
 
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NoBrains

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No comments...

What's not prevented by game code can be done...
 
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KodFace

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lol what bullshit.. you cant make ur own rules for a game and expect everyone to follow em.

Relics can be taken anytime...who really cares if relics are taken at 5am? take em back at 5am
 
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Aironima

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Rules for relic raid time?

Shall we make some sort of time table for when u can take Keeps to? Between 10 and 12 midgard and Albion can take a merc keep but not after 12 since 12 - 13 its Crim which are allowed to be attacked.
And maybe certain xp spots around the realms cant be attacked during certain hours to, and lets share darkness falls to!
On mondays to wednesday its Midgard who can invade and take keeps freely and Hib and Alb share the rest of the week or somethiing.
This game will be so much more fun when EVERYBODY on the Excalibur server joins togheter in a BIG hug of joy and friendship across the realm!
I have an Idea! Lets all sell our weapons to!
Maybe even a picknick?

I´ll bring lemonade

( I hope u see the irony in this )
 
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Exiled

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Re: Rules for relic raid time?

Originally posted by Aironima
( I hope u see the irony in this )
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im sure some people wont :rolleyes:
 
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theroy

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Originally posted by KodFace
lol what bullshit.. you cant make ur own rules for a game and expect everyone to follow em.

Relics can be taken anytime...who really cares if relics are taken at 5am? take em back at 5am
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Kodface with his normal retarded unthoughtfull replys!
 
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emer Roma

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Ehehe ....we Mids attacked and got our relic back in primetime coz we had the brain and the courage to do this , and brave leaders too.
This is our pride.
But you cannot ask other realms to follow our rules , it's only their choice.
First attempt was " a bit " clumsy...oh well..was 4 am...
Just curious to see the next one

____________________

Emergency < Cutting edge >
 
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Keri

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The idea of agreeing on when and when not to hold relic raids sounds like cross teaming on a grand scale.

/em decides not to even mention the CoC
 
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Slipurson

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LOL 90% whine when some realm take relics at night and yet when someone tries to define what we have to do to not get whiners and lamers to post 90% whine over that to,,, LOL

what Karl said is correct and good but i also agree with landshark that it will be extremely hard to set to work...

and YES it is 24/7 servers but how much pride is it in ganking some uberguards and take relic? if it is that way it is supposed to be taken why not play some offline game against the computer or something ??

and who said that we should make a shedule on keeptakings? but it is the same there with no other defense then NPC guards u can take a keep with 1 group of peeps (8 peeps) it is not hard.. but how fun is it... and if u have 1 group at all keeps in frontier and take them at the same time and then take the relic it is not that hard work..

so by saying yes to nightraids u could turn all ur argumnnts about 24/7 server into: lets close the frontiers when server peaks, or some realm have more then 800 online so we only can take keeps/relics when people sleep... much more fun to log in then and type /relic and see what the nightpeople have done.. :eek:

well i am off to bed... and i expect to get flamed for this... but i could not care less...
 
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Gahldir

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Sure, feel free to take the relics at 5 AM. just think of it like this: is it fun to wack NPCs when you are in a zombiemode bcuz you are so damn tired? is it worth to not be able to really do anything the next day(call in sick etc)? and is it worth it to just wake up and see your enemies played the same trick on you and you and your realmm8s have to spend 15+p on relicdoor (no fun for the money spent on doors)?

I think not. therefor I just wont stay up more then just a little extra late (go to bed 2 am instead of 1 am) if we are doing a relicraid or we are beeing raided.

I play the game for fun, not to say "stfu, y0 n00b! I nicked a relic, I pwnz0r y0!!!" to the principle/boss...

My point is, raid when every you want. But afterwards think again, did you have a blast?
 
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-Lonewolf-

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I dunno about the rules but I can't believe you guys are posting on here at 6am+
 
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old.Second

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Originally posted by Karl [DAOC]
I think.... all realms should agree on these principles...

1. Night Time Relic Raids Should Not be Done, this meens, you should be AT the relic keep by 11pm latest <-- is that BST?GMT?CET?EET?

2. If a relic is taken after this time the realm of which the relic was stolen from has the right to take the relic back at any god given hour without being flamed.<-- BULL!

4. Obviosly holidays such as Christmas, New Years Etc, are not allowed.<-- BULL AGAIN! not all are cristians you know=)
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i must say that this will never work=) you cant demand that a relic should stand undefended because someone steals your relic=) live with it! You lose some, you gain some.
 
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[DK]Rawkeer

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I tell ya what

<rant>
FU!

DAoC is a 24/7 game. it does NOT stop when you go to bed, if someone takes a relic at the most obvious time to take it (ie. when the enemy is asleep) then you are gonna have to deal with that you pathetic little goon.

Besides the fact that taking a relic at night is the best time to take it, you cant say "11pm" because everyone is in different timezones and it can't work like that. Beside, 11pm isn't late by any stretch of the word.


I'm sick of all this fking crying about raids at night. LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT.

If you want a freaking game that stops for you whenver you want play something offline, or ask GOA to take the servers down at 11pm and bring them back up at 9am, see what they say to you.


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[DK]Rawkeer

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Originally posted by Gahldir
Sure, feel free to take the relics at 5 AM. just think of it like this: is it fun to wack NPCs when you are in a zombiemode bcuz you are so damn tired? is it worth to not be able to really do anything the next day(call in sick etc)? and is it worth it to just wake up and see your enemies played the same trick on you and you and your realmm8s have to spend 15+p on relicdoor (no fun for the money spent on doors)?

I think not. therefor I just wont stay up more then just a little extra late (go to bed 2 am instead of 1 am) if we are doing a relicraid or we are beeing raided.

I play the game for fun, not to say "stfu, y0 n00b! I nicked a relic, I pwnz0r y0!!!" to the principle/boss...

My point is, raid when every you want. But afterwards think again, did you have a blast?
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You are an idiot.


You cannot take a defended relic. nobody has successfully done so yet, and i sincerely doubt anyone will ever take a relic that has more than a couple of people defending.

So i guess we shouldn't do relic raids at all, because whacking npc's is lame... Or do we announce the relic raid to the opposing force before we start so that we can get mashed up against their relic doors giving them thousands of free ream points?

Plus, i think you'll find the guys that can and will stay up all night to raid you little losers dont have much to do the next day, or they dont care if they have to ring in sick or not, its good to see all you llamas running to the forums to whine about nighttime attacks. It proves how pathetic you are that you have to come here whining and trying to set rules for when you can be attacked when the game is clearly 24/7.

Additionly, i think you'll find that the early daytime is actually less busy then the late night. So maybe we should ban relic raids in the early daytime hours aswell?

Oh, and can you not attack the relic at 12pm, and 5pm, i am having my dinner then, and please dont attack on friday nights because i go out drinking from 9pm until about 2am, and then please dont attack saturday morning because i am hung over.
Then on sundays can you not attack at 2pm? i have a late sunday lunch that day, and then on monday please dont attack from 11am to 2pm, coz i play football then.

YOU ARE ALL SO PATHETIC!
 
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Ensceptifica

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Originally posted by [DK]Rawkeer

You are an idiot.
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YOU ARE ALL SO PATHETIC!
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Apart from these fine arguments, you nearly have a point. But what you overlook is that doing midnight relic raids ensures you have no opposition. Do it during regular hours and you have to be quick and fierce coz you risk running into opposition, which indeed would make it nearly impossible to pull off, but also makes it more exciting, more of a challenge, and more of an achievement if you succeed.

If we all stay up one night to get a relic and the opponent does the same the next night, we all spend fortunes on relic door repairs till we don't bother any more and relic taking will be like taking Crauchon, Benowyc or Bledmeer. Where's the challenge in that?
 
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Aironima

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jupp

Agrees with Rawker.
Its when u try to make the GAME run more smoothly along your daily average schedual, not your IRL plans, that u need to unplug for awhile.
Desperate attemp to control this game when you´re asleep is .... ehh.... wierd.
 
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<Harle>

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anyone else noticed that most of the people flaming this idea are albs ? :D :D
 
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belth

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Originally posted by &lt;Harle&gt;
anyone else noticed that most of the people flaming this idea are albs ? :D :D
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So hibbies & middies already have some kind of deal then? The name Hibgard doesn't stem from nothing - "we don't take your relics, if you don't take ours" kind of deal?

Blegh, I doubt most Hibs & Mids are THAT much in to cross-teaming. Maybe they haven't replied to the thread because they've deemed it not worth it?
 
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Ensceptifica

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Originally posted by belth

Blegh, I doubt most Hibs & Mids are THAT much in to cross-teaming.
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They're not into cross-teaming at all.
 
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thorwyntf

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Does anyone realise, that besides the rather ...erm..."unconstructive" arguing so far ("Y00 sux0rs! attacking at night is lame" and "STFU, this is a 24/7 game, live with it") there´s a pretty serious problem with DAOC and relics these days?

On one hand, it´s a proven fact, that it´s impossible to take a defended keep. And the increasing numbers of high lvl characters in each realm ensures, that there are always at least 20+ lvl 50 chars online at prime time. And that´s enough to spoil a relic raid, however carefully it might have been planned in advance.

On the other hand, the resistance of an undefended keep (in form of realm guards) is decreasing for the same reason: high lvl character flood. It´s not hard to take a (relic-) keep with 2-3 groups of lvl 50ies, the formerly almost invincible uber-guards will get wiped away in no time.
The game balance is disturbed at this point and it´s Mythics job to fix the balance again by either:

a. making it harder to take undefended keeps (double or triple guardspawn frequency at night.. dunno what else)

or

b. making it easier to take defended keeps OR increase the motivation to attack a defended keep

If Mythic somehow manages to close this gap and fix the balance again, the futile whining and ranting about when and how to attack relics will stop.

just my five cent

Thorwyn
GM
<Blade&Quill>
 
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old.Mousah

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screw primetime, some ppl work evenings and the only hours they can be part of a relic raid is at night...24/7 ownz!
 
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old.Second

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Originally posted by Ensceptifica

They're not into cross-teaming at all.
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Your right... they more into Cross-dressing!
 
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quinthar

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Sigh - fed up with this

"You must play when I'm on, or not at all" /throws toys out of pram

stfu

Its a 24/7 game, DAoC waits for nobody - deal with it
 
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ce-cubby

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Originally posted by belth


So hibbies & middies already have some kind of deal then? The name Hibgard doesn't stem from nothing - "we don't take your relics, if you don't take ours" kind of deal?

Blegh, I doubt most Hibs & Mids are THAT much in to cross-teaming. Maybe they haven't replied to the thread because they've deemed it not worth it?
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hmmm both the Albs and the Hibs have 3 relics each for weeks no relic attacks, the mids take one back the albs try to take from the mids.

Albernian might be closer
 
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Killgorde

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A few issues here and I'll give you my (usually unwelcome) personal opinion.

I see no problem with popping relics 24/7. I don't see out-of-peak relic taking as a challenge, but who gives a fuck what I think? And why should they? You pays your money and you plays your game the way you want to. The only things I have ever critisised is the unwillingness of another realm <cough> to at least try attempting some daring raid using brilliant strategy to outwit us at peak... and any piss-taking I do is soley in the hope of motivating them to do this. I can guarantee that the sense of achievement they will feel as a team is like no other that can be experienced in this game. There is also an issue of "respect gained" but I won't even go into that.

As to this undefended/defended bullshit irrelevant argument. You don't defend your relic, you defend your realm. Nobody sits at a relic keep 24/7 (unless they are a truly sad bastard ;)) waiting for an attack. Likewise, no attacking force in their right mind will mount an offensive against a relic keep that is packed out with level 50 defenders. This isn't the Charge of the bloody Light Brigade or the Battle of the Somme. However taking a relic from under the noses of others when they have the ability to defend it (i.e. peak) if they are alert enough does represent a far greater challenge and is tactically far more demanding than when the server is dead. Some peeps make analogy with RL warfare being 24/7. There is a teensy weensy difference....in RL at Normandy as an example every available German who was asleep when the attack ensued probably got a good kick up his arse to get out of bed and grab his rifle. That actually equates to "peak" attacks in my book. When peeps aren't online its like the majority of the German army all taking a vacation on the Costa Del Piss Up while that attack was taking place. Or am I wrong? ;)


Next point. Thorwyntf said "On one hand, it´s a proven fact, that it´s impossible to take a defended keep. And the increasing numbers of high lvl characters in each realm ensures, that there are always at least 20+ lvl 50 chars online at prime time. And that´s enough to spoil a relic raid, however carefully it might have been planned in advance."

Bullshit <coughs>. The 9pm Saturday night (this patch) was a complete success - albeit touch and go. The reason? We spent two weeks prior to that knocking over 3 or 4 keeps in Albion every night purely to put them at their ease and take their eye off the the ball specifically so that when the right opportunity arose (i.e. a two hour wait not far from the relic until our scouts reported that the area was clear) we had a reasonable chance of success. And on that raid, ask any of the 60-70 people taking part if they have felt the same elation at any other time playing this game (other than popping 50 ;)) as they did when that relic was safely home. They all knew what they had achieved together, and its a feeling that maybe the Albs need to experience to get a feeling of where the Middies are coming from.

<Retires to study maps of Collory relic keep and it's surroundings while scatching a scar on his arse from some overpowered Hib nuker>>
 
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