Ok so

[Huntingtons]

piss is sterile anyway, so even if it went all over your hands and you somehow sprayed it in your mouth it wouldnt really be a problem.

or does that only happen to me?

just because its sterile doesnt mean your dick is.

 

[old.Tohtori]

just because its sterile doesnt mean your dick is.

Unless you got some tubular disease, it's sterile enough coming out the one-eye bandit.

From this thread, one could think that many people here close their dick in their fist and piss out from the caps between fingers while wiping their arse with bare hand :lol:

 

[Chronictank]

piss is sterile anyway, so even if it went all over your hands and you somehow sprayed it in your mouth it wouldnt really be a problem.

People dont seem to understand that YOU aren't the problem, the problem is that you are exposing OTHERS to your germs
Thus if someone with a compromised immune system is brought in contact with said germs/viruses/pollutants it most certainly can be a problem

I can't believe that even had to be explained

And why would someone be banned from hospitals? They are probably the most dangerous places for an anti-immune person.

are you really this dense? or are you just posting so there is something to argue about
I honestly cannot tell from the above post

 

[old.Tohtori]

are you really this dense? or are you just posting so there is something to argue about
I honestly cannot tell from the above post

You said, without explaining, that some people should be banned from hospitals.

What does "not washing your hands" have to do with it, when hospitals hold more germ dangers then that.

But great that you're mature enough to actually talk about it and not insult people...

 

[chipper]

cant believe this is even an issue ofc you should wash your hands and especially after you took a shit cant believe ppl are even saying its ok not to its disgusting

when you take a shit your pulling toilet paper that someone else has used you may have ya hands on the seat then the handle your hands might not be soiled but can u say the same about the person before you?

when you take a piss dunno bout u lot but i have a good shake nowt worse than dribbling in ya boxers small particles of urine could go anywhere.

as for hospitals? um they are one of the most sterile places u can be ppl have germs the hospitals dont everything is cleaned in chemicals that are designed to kill bacteria on contact

god its fucking disgusting wash ya hands ffs

 

[old.Tohtori]

I shake, but i don't shake on my hands.
I wipe, but i don't wipe my hands on toilet paper and leave it there. TP is clean of human contact after wipes.
Hospitals, sure, equipment clean, people in it are not and there's plenty of germs, especially aerial, in hospitals. IT's quite common to have flu etc going around.

 

[Chronictank]

You said, without explaining, that some people should be banned from hospitals.

Yet you have provided no proof for any of your "arguments" in this thread thus far, so playing the "without explaining" card is pretty rich coming from you

What does "not washing your hands" have to do with it

I will humour you, you can have a illness which can be passed on through your digestive system without even knowing it,
salmonella can stay in your system for 48 hours for example (ignoring the 12-72 hrs it takes for symptoms to even appear) without you even knowing it, hence people working in the food industry have to stay away from where food is prepared for whatever the given period is for the place you work
Similarly there is a dictionary of illnesses which can be passed in a similar manner

Now most viruses/germs have a very small shelf life in the open, but using salmonella again this can be spread through simply touching an infected area making it very easily transferable

These do exist, and they ARE harmful in the correct circumstaces, this is irrefutable scientific fact.

when hospitals hold more germ dangers then that.

Difference being the containment of said germs is controlled, if there is high risk contageon it is iscolated, It is absolutely correct there are more dangerous germs, they are however contained.
If you want to be accurate to the point and say
"hospitals have more germs infecting visitors"
then it is complete crap in a descent run hospital if you follow instructions and good practices.

In addition to the fact that the vast majority of infections spread are again through touch, if you were washing your hands after you go to the toilet this reduces the risk of transfer by 100% than doing the opposite.
If you have visited someone who has a contageon they tell you to wash your hands before you leave

Why you should be banned?
Because you significantly increase the probability of infecting a already compromised immune system resulting in complications which could have easily been avoided

 

[old.Tohtori]

No "proof" as i'm no scientist, but i've argumented my points more then "are you dense". Point there.

And you seem to mean "banned from owrking in a hospital", as i don't know about you, but i don't go to hospitals to poke at open wounds.

And i mean that hospitals have more germ dangers for anti-immune system people then people who don't wash their hands.

 

[Chronictank]

still waiting for a factual counter-argument

 

[Billargh]

This thread just got awesome, oh so awesome.

 

[old.Tohtori]

still waiting for a factual counter-argument

What, like that the bum ain't that germ infested? (pen and teller called the bull on it)
That the toilet is germ infected even when you just go there to refill a cabinet and should wash your hands, by same principle, every time you even pop in there(proof by mythbusters toothbrush experiment)?
That germs don't spread THAT much if you don't wash your hands after(and don't piss on your hands)?
That hospitals aren't THAT contained(people on hallways, flus etc that spread sometimes like wildfire in hospitals, even with strict control:fact from own experience)?
That you meant "banned from WORKING in a hospital" which i wasn't arguing?

 

[Edmond]

Fuck sake Laddey, see what you've gone and done now

 

[Lamp]

Toto takes a dump
Toto doesn't wash his hands after (his choice)
Toto goes into the kitchen and makes Laddey a sandwich
Laddey eats said sanwich

Question: does Laddey end up contracting any bum / poo germs ?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Toto takes a dump
Toto doesn't wash his hands after (his choice)
Toto goes into the kitchen and makes Laddey a sandwich
Laddey eats said sanwich

Question: does Laddey end up contracting any bum / poo germs ?

Laddey has the CHANCE to do so.

Chances of laddey not being able to destroy those partiles, less then getting them.

Laddey dying beause of germs spreading to my hands, to the bread, not being able to destroy them, rather small.

But then again i wash my hands before i make dinner...but off the point i know.

 

[Edmond]

Yeah but it would be a good way to do the deed, and the forensics(sp) would have a field day trying to figure out how you bumped him off

*edit* not that i want to see you bumped off Laddey

 

[tris-]

I can't believe that even had to be explained

me neither, so im going to assume you know what sterile means.

so when i say urine is sterile, it will make sense.

 

[Chronictank]

What, like that the bum ain't that germ infested? (pen and teller called the bull on it)

Yes because i am going to believe entertainment acts over
The food standards agency
Food Standards Agency - Don't make your mealtime a horror story
Food Standards Agency - Eat well, be well - Food bugs
Among other scientific studies

That the toilet is germ infected even when you just go there to refill a cabinet and should wash your hands, by same principle, every time you even pop in there(proof by mythbusters toothbrush experiment)?
That germs don't spread THAT much if you don't wash your hands after(and don't piss on your hands)?

Of no relevance to the argument, if you follow hygiene you would wash your hands

That hospitals aren't THAT contained(people on hallways, flus etc that spread sometimes like wildfire in hospitals, even with strict control:fact from own experience)?

I want proof, not stuff you pretty much may aswell made up
edit:
to clarify, i want proof that you are more likely to get infected in a hospital than by not washing your hands

 

[Chronictank]

me neither, so im going to assume you know what sterile means.

so when i say urine is sterile, it will make sense.

if you have a medical condition your urine is not garunteed to be sterile

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes because i am going to believe entertainment acts over
The food standards agency
Food Standards Agency - Don't make your mealtime a horror story
Food Standards Agency - Eat well, be well - Food bugs
Among other scientific studies

Of no relevance to the argument, if you follow hygiene you would wash your hands

I want proof, not stuff you pretty much may aswell made up
edit:
to clarify, i want proof that you are more likely to get infected in a hospital than by not washing your hands

Food Standards Agency - Don't make your mealtime a horror story

"'Despite the picture painted by these statistics, admitting the germs might have come from your own home remains a taboo subject. Whether it's because of the hot weather, undercooked meat on the barbecue or people playing fast and loose with use by dates, food poisoning shoots up over the summer and could make your mealtime a real horror story."

Not one mention of washing hands. Why? It's not from there. It's from moist and hot condition that the bacteria can grow. If you don't wash your hands and make someone a sandwich, it's probably one germ that gets through and it's nothing.

ESPECIALLY compared to hospitals and the sick people there. As said, morpe dangerous for the anti-immune person to walk through a hospital(thousands of people, most sick) then to shake hands with somenoe who didn't wash their f*cking hands.

Food Standards Agency - Eat well, be well - Food bugs

Again, no mention of bum, how "bad" it is, how "germ infected" you are without washing your hnds etc. Nice "proof" mr "scientist".

My "proof" is smething you should watch before commenting, so find those episodes and then come back.

You want proof and not made up stuff, well, i'm not a scientist so f*ck off. This is a discussion, not a symposium. I've seen it happen, i've experienced it happen, i'm diabetic with a "lower immune system". That's proof enough for me. Hospitals have disease problems too.

Also, about my point about the toilet being dirty everywhere, most and i do mean MOST people don't wash their hands if they don't poo/piss in the toilet. Point there. You probably don't either.

Unless, AGAIN, you're talking about hospital workers. Are you? Anser it maybe?

if you have a medical condition your urine is not garunteed to be sterile

Irrelevant as we're not talking about '"sick" people.

 

[Maeloch]

Washing your hands after taking a dump is for other peoples sake, not yours. It's only ur own germs there.

Piss is sterile, but stinking of it tends to be a bit of a social no no. Remember that kid at school who always did. Tramp used to get on the bus at same stop every day, dreaded it, stank the whole bus out, but if he sat next to you, jesus. Not just piss, but it had fermented into pure chemical stentch of ammonia, made ur eyes water.

 

[Laddey]

You guys rock! Only on FHOT can people argue about washing their hands!

 

[old.Tohtori]

To clear things up, i do wash my hands(sometimes not).
I don't smear or piss on my clothes, so smelling of piss isn't a problem.(irrelevant)
I think hospital workers and chefs should wash their hands, ofcourse.
I don't think it's "such a big deal".
I don't think you're somehow "impure" if you don't.

And most salmonella/food poisoning cases are from meat left out in the open, other products used wrong, or insanitary cooks at restaurants. Again, irrelevant for general public.

 

[Chronictank]

Food Standards Agency - Don't make your mealtime a horror story

The link was in responce to your claim that the issue wasn't a problem so you could see numbers that the issue does exist
It also showed how easily the germ is transmitted from one surface to another

"'Despite the picture painted by these statistics, admitting the germs might have come from your own home remains a taboo subject.

And here it is, the first misinterpretation,
This indicates that it is an issue but people dont want to talk about it
NOT that it is not a real problem as you seem to indicate

Whether it's because of the hot weather, undercooked meat on the barbecue or people playing fast and loose with use by dates, food poisoning shoots up over the summer and could make your mealtime a real horror story."

Not one mention of washing hands. Why? It's not from there. It's from moist and hot condition that the bacteria can grow. If you don't wash your hands and make someone a sandwich, it's probably one germ that gets through and it's nothing.

one of the major causes on the same site

Cleaning
More than 400 people die in the UK die from food poisoning each year. You can help protect your family by washing your hands before preparing food.

ESPECIALLY compared to hospitals and the sick people there. As said, morpe dangerous for the anti-immune person to walk through a hospital(thousands of people, most sick) then to shake hands with somenoe who didn't wash their f*cking hands.

Still waiting on that annoying thing called proof to show that a toilet (public if you want to compare like for like) has less harmful germs exposed to general population than a hospital

Food Standards Agency - Eat well, be well - Food bugs

Again, no mention of bum, how "bad" it is, how "germ infected" you are without washing your hnds etc. Nice "proof" mr "scientist".

Nice try, but lets keep things in context
That site listed bacteria which could be transfered via the digestive system. i.e. when you go to the toilet

For sake of consistency lets use our little friend Salmonella

People infected with salmonella should be particularly careful with personal hygiene because they could infect another person who comes into direct contact with them. For example, if a carrier doesn't wash their hands properly after going to the toilet, they could have bacteria on their hands.

You want proof and not made up stuff, well, i'm not a scientist so f*ck off.

blah blah blah blah I dont want to provide any proof to support my theories

Irrelevant as we're not talking about '"sick" people.

You may not know you're sick.... so it is very relevant


As i suspected, this is just a tohorti special
sic: arguing for arguments sake by misreading/misinterpretation and nitpicking rather than discussing the point at hand

i am in no mood to discuss semantics and you very obviously dont want to put the same ammount of effort into proving me wrong so i dont see why i should bother

 

[old.Tohtori]

As i suspected, this is just a tohorti special
sic: arguing for arguments sake by misreading/misinterpretation and nitpicking rather than discussing the point at hand

And this does it for me, can't be bothered with someone who brings out that old sh*t again. I'm discussing a matter, not trying to fight you. Get over yourself.

I'm the one who's discussing it, you're the one ignoring all i post and might i return your attention to your first response "are you dense?".

You're discussing different points, as i said, not what you argumented against in the first place.

Was comparing one person, using own toilet, and preparing bread for someone, to a whole hospital. Hospital has more dangers of infections with everything considered.
Was discussing normal people and how they shouldn't be banned from hospitals due to not washing hands, you were talking about people working there. Different matter.
Was putting effort, but you, instead of actually thinking about what i say, simply diss it all and go "NO!".

One simple simple question to you, try to answer it this time, did you or did you not mean "people WORKING in a hospital" with your initial comment?

 

[old.Tohtori]

If you ant to ask me different questions, do so, don't change the question mid-flight:

"Still waiting on that annoying thing called proof to show that a toilet (public if you want to compare like for like) has less harmful germs exposed to general population than a hospital"

There is none as i would agree that a public toilet has more germ problems then a hospital. Wasn't the matter discussed.

"sick people should take care of washing hands"

True, they should be more careful, again, not point. If you're infected with salmonella, you'll know pretty darn soon. Irrelevant and different point.

""'Despite the picture painted by these statistics, admitting the germs might have come from your own home remains a taboo subject."

Does not say "pooping and not washing makes people sick", so it's no "proof". It simply means people forget EVERYTHING that might 'cause it. And 9/10(if not more), not washing hands isn't the case.

 

[tris-]

There is none as i would agree that a public toilet has more germ problems then a hospital. Wasn't the matter discussed.

this may be the case. you only sit on the seat, unless youre a fucking weirdo and try to stick your arse in the bowl so it touches the water.
the only thing that touches the seat is someones arse cheeks.

id guess the average person doesnt have laserations and open wounds on their arse cheeks, so its probably very diffiicult there for bacteria to infect the body.
there is also no need to touch the toilet seat with your hands and if you wipe your arse without being a spaz, you probably wouldnt get shit on them either.

so does it matter how many bacteria is on a toilet seat? if you dont get shit on your hands, do you really need to wash them after taking a dump?

 

[old.Tohtori]

And that's what pen&teller proved, that the arse ain't a problem unless you wipe sh*t from the bowl to your open wounds or some such.

Most the bacteria gets to your hands anyway, after you wash them, from the handle of the washing equipment when you turn it off

Or the door etc.

 

[tris-]

And that's what pen&teller proved, that the arse ain't a problem unless you wipe sh*t from the bowl to your open wounds or some such.

Most the bacteria gets to your hands anyway, after you wash them, from the handle of the washing equipment when you turn it off

Or the door etc.

thats what ive always thought tbh.

you touch the tap with your shit stained hand to turn it on.
then you wash your hands to clean.
then you touch the shit stained tap with your clean hands.
then you touch the door handle with shit stained hands.

what does the cleaning accomplish, assuminjg you didnt shove a fist up your ass while you were shitting?

i clean anyway as i like the smell of our soap gel.

 

[Overdriven]

you touch the tap with your shit stained hand to turn it on.
then you wash your hands to clean.
then you touch the shit stained tap with your clean hands.
then you touch the door handle with shit stained hands.
l.

Am I the ONLY OTer who has two hands? o_o Or sometimes turns the taps on BEFORE doing anything in the bathroom?


*May or may not have some OCD issues.

 

[tris-]

Am I the ONLY OTer who has two hands? o_o Or sometimes turns the taps on BEFORE doing anything in the bathroom?


*May or may not have some OCD issues.

i would never think to do that and never would do that.

whats the use of having the tap run for an indefinite amount of time?