ok ive had enuff - how about this......

[old.Vendetta]

Novamir the hint was scout group was intended to act in enemy territory as an RvR team with 2 sub sections for quick scouting and taking out small xp groups before the main force passed by etc.

 

[Novamir]

riiight, and, your point is?

 

[old.Vendetta]

That even in RvR situations some people consider giving stealthers support is a waste. One hero questioned why waste his end song for banging on gates {well that is what bards are for }giving speed to stealthers basically.
See even grouping the three most frustrated classes in hib together for rvr causes problems and debate or did on that ocassion.

 

[granny]

Here's a thought...

Maybe one of the reasons stalker classes have a hard time getting groups is that there are just too many of them?

How many people started shades or rangers cos they thought they'd be the uber class in RvR, assassinating from stealth, 1 or 2 shot killing with a bow, etc.?

I'm just thinking out loud here, I don't know the numbers, fact is that this seems to be a serious problem judging by the cloumn-inches devoted to it on these forums over the last few weeks, seems like it should be addressed by us.

Here's another thought... stalkers are the best solo RvR classes right? OK so you've chosen to play a class that has solo play as one of the main possible end-game scenarios - could it be argued that the price to be paid for that is enforced soloing pre-end-game?

Again, I'm just throwing up food for thought, as I have said before I'm happy to group with stalker-classes where possible and will go out of my way to get them into groups, and my actions recently I think prove this (although getting shirty with me when I refuse to group a 5th stalker class into a group with no tanks and only 1 bard as healer doesn't help anyone, you know who you are).

 

[old.lewstherin]

In rvr the bard are basicly what keeps me alive. And I totaly agree with novamir. Those stealthers that took initiative and made groups (eleasias, alderian, klazart and more) are very high now and very succesfull. Dont sit around wait for invite... well perhaps we heros are just more used to grouping...

 

[Wuren]

Still cant belive ppl have been waiting 8-9 hours to get into a group lol

 

[Aeiedil]

No. They normally get hero, warden, pbaemage, manabattery etc just like anybody else.

its the tried and tested group, and to try anything else dosent get much support, esp if a group gets wiped. each time i start asking people to try and form a group i stop after trying to find one of the main classes because they are all grouped.

Maybe one of the reasons stalker classes have a hard time getting groups is that there are just too many of them?

How many people started shades or rangers cos they thought they'd be the uber class in RvR, assassinating from stealth, 1 or 2 shot killing with a bow, etc.?

as some people may know i played druid in beta, and started playing druid in retail (used to be the highest druid on excalibur until i stopped heh ), but i got bloody bored of the healing\buffing\ressing. i had played shade for a bit near the end of beta and found it fun, that was before i had a chance to try in rvr, but i liked what i saw and when i stopped playing my druid i went right onto the shade which i am today. because of my preference of a nightshade playstyle to a druids should i be cursed to being ignored? should i go back to my druid roots to level a character whos enjoyment left near the end of beta after i found that the effort i had put in was wasted? i hate being the support class now ever since i stopped my druid, i just cant do it since playing shade, im used to a different playstyle and find it hard to adapt. even on my chanter i go for the suicide tactic of all or nothing, and genrally i get the "all"

<calms down>

on the subject of midgets, anyone else enjoy Yoda with a Lightsaber in episode 2?

 

[tilde]

hint: join a nice guild

 

[Novamir]

Originally posted by Vendetta
That even in RvR situations some people consider giving stealthers support is a waste. One hero questioned why waste his end song for banging on gates {well that is what bards are for }giving speed to stealthers basically.
See even grouping the three most frustrated classes in hib together for rvr causes problems and debate or did on that ocassion.

What do you consider as 'giving support' to stealther classes? Why would stealthers need speed song if they are stealthed? Seems like a flawed example to me

show me these people that think stealthers are useless in rvr, and Ill show them how they are wrong, because in every rvr group i have been in stealthers are welcomed . to see things without being seen is an invaluable skill.

 

[old.Halfmad]

lol this topic aint half changing a lot..

Nova - totally agree about stealthers and RVR, we kick arse in it no doubt about it. I love being ahead of a group and feeding back info to them, also like spotting archers/minstrels and destealthing them just as my group arrives for backup

 

[old.Alderian]

We want better and cheaper beer !

 

[old.Halfmad]

1 pint is enough for me and I've grouped with a drunk bard - scary stuff eh muirob

 

[Wuren]

lol ald are u even old enough to buy beer?

 

[granny]

Originally posted by Halfmad
1 pint is enough for me and I've grouped with a drunk bard - scary stuff eh muirob

Ah but I'm always drunk, nobody's complained yet (much)

 

[old.Klazartthetank]

Nova -

"- log in
- look for group, message some people, get told current groups 40+ are full
- decide to go to emain and solo for a bit, get cheered up as you one shot a few mages, or scare people from stealth, generally have fun
- die in emain to some higher cons and have to release, ur a bit pissed off now
- at bindstone realise you haven't gained a mm of xp in the time you were in emain. Message the same group leaders and get told again groups are full etc
- get very pissed off and cant be bothered to go back to emain
- log out / rant"

na truth is that NS's log in, msg everyone around their level 3-5 level range and get told to pm someone else in group, who tells them 2 pm someone else. Even if the group has space the space will be saved for extra tank, healer, bard, caster, this is also true for NON PBAOE groups as well.

Speaking as a level 50 Nightshade, it is extremely hard, u have to play like a psycho, to level up. I have 2 make my own group, and initially ppl didn't want 2 join, because hey there is a NS in the group, but eventually i got a reputation for making good groups, that lasted and got exp, i worked hard, was extremely patient, and so i was able to level.

But never once ever, was i invited to join a group. There are some ppl who grouped me , but they are so few that I could name them all on the tips of my fingers. Fact is most ppl ignore NSs and the ONLY way they can get groups is by making the group, and even then its hard. Cause very few ppl will want 2 start a group with a NS, everyone says, maybe if u get a druid i will join and so on and so forth.

"this is what a Hero does before he gets to 50:

- log in
- look for group, message people, get on waiting lists, wait, maybe organise own group
- wait
- ask more
- eventually get a group sooner or later and stick in the group
"

Yes but the thing about hero's is that people WANT hero's in their group, so if u wait around long enough u will get in unless the Q is humgously long. A NS can be the first on the Q, and they usually are because they try to get online early 2 get into groups, but they will never get invited.

"shades function extremely well in solo RvR, even so far as saying solo RvR with a shade is :uhoh: FUN. Solo RvR with a Hero is not viable, fun, or otherwise. A hero cannot survive solo, this is WHY we always have groups. hence you tend find heros in groups, and nightshades solo. the same can be said for any class without speed, and/or a form of crowd control, and/or the ability to do very high damagein a short time."

The thing is ur logic is flawed. A hero can group in RvR and can group in PvE. A NS can solo in RvR but they CANNOT solo in PvE and therin lies the imbalance. Because they cannot solo in PvE and they cannot group in PvE. Moreover ppl have a misperception about NSs. We aren't as strong as Shadowblades, who are actually uber, but NSs i'm affraid are the most gimped of the assassin class.


"and also, i have no sympathy for people who won't make their own group, won't take the initiative. i did it for most of my levels, and cant understand why others don't. it isnt hard to do /who bard or /who 40 and find people to group with. "

I agree here, if u want to level u must take the initiative. however very few ppl will want 2 join a group that a NS is starting, once u get a few ppl its easier, but its still hard. I know it was quite hard for me when starting to make groups. But ur righ, persistance usually pays off. Still i think that ppl should be kinder to rogues. IMO every group should have 1 rogue slot, and this isn't that hard 2 do. I've been in PBAOE groups that i've made and non-pbaoe groups also, as a rogue. And those groups did really well.

So i see no reason for a group to not have 1 spot for a rogue when they make the exp group

 

[old.Klazartthetank]

not really

Originally posted by Necron


I think Hibernia is united
its just couple of bad apples trying to spoil everything

Hibernia isn't as united as u think

 

[old.Klazartthetank]

this arguement is redundant

"Maybe one of the reasons stalker classes have a hard time getting groups is that there are just too many of them?"

thats not true. Just check how many 35+ NSs there are or even 30+ not that many. Most NSs u will see are ALTs not MAINs.

"How many people started shades or rangers cos they thought they'd be the uber class in RvR, assassinating from stealth, 1 or 2 shot killing with a bow, etc.?"

those are ppl who make ALTs, i started a shade cause i wanted to be an assassin, i thoguht the idea behind it was 'COOL'

"I'm just thinking out loud here, I don't know the numbers, fact is that this seems to be a serious problem judging by the cloumn-inches devoted to it on these forums over the last few weeks, seems like it should be addressed by us."

this is a problem. THere is a simple fix, every group has 1 rogue in it. This isn't hard to do. 1 rogue being in a group won't spoil its exp. I mean every group has some tanks, some healers a few casters, 1 rogue won't hurt and will prolly help in their way. I know for a fact that groups aren't affected adversly by the presence of a rogue because i'm one and i've been in amazingly good exp groups (ones that i made myself).

"Here's another thought... stalkers are the best solo RvR classes right? OK so you've chosen to play a class that has solo play as one of the main possible end-game scenarios - could it be argued that the price to be paid for that is enforced soloing pre-end-game?"

this is the redundant bit of ur arguement. Solo-ing in RvR is gone. 1.50 means the end of stealthers in rvr, if u don't know about 1.50 i suggest u check out what it does. So stealthers can no longer solo in rvr, but they still suck in groups, sounds fair huh?

U don't have to have 7 rogues and 1 bard. Just have 1 rogue per group. If every group did this, the problem would be solved.

 

[old.Klazartthetank]

its true

Originally posted by Wuren
Still cant belive ppl have been waiting 8-9 hours to get into a group lol

I've had ppl who have been waiting in Qs for 10+ hours to get into my Fin group, i don't understand why they don't just go make a group of their own. They do sometimes, but most times they just wait/craft/play alt/RvR.

And this isn't rogues, this is mostly, TANKS (lots of tanks), Bards, Pbers, u name it.

 

[granny]

Re: this arguement is redundant

Originally posted by Klazartthetank
this is the redundant bit of ur arguement. Solo-ing in RvR is gone. 1.50 means the end of stealthers in rvr, if u don't know about 1.50 i suggest u check out what it does. So stealthers can no longer solo in rvr, but they still suck in groups, sounds fair huh?

Yeah I think what they're going to do in 1.50 to stealthers sucks too But we don't have 1.50 yet, and let's be honest, it's going to be a LONG time until we do.

 

[Alrindel]

Originally posted by Fae
Hows silent death doing ? Your a stalker only guild ?.

We're doing fine, but we've never been much for guild exp groups anyways, and some of our members have left the guild (completely amicably) to join the big ones that can put them in multiclass groups. For the most part we solo, pair up, or join mixed guild groups that are going like anybody else. We do form groups for RvR more and more often now, and that's a lot of fun.

Of course most of us are in our 30s now, and we haven't yet hit the 40+ "group or die" wall, so we'll see.

So, any hibbie stealthers, if you're looking for a small, friendly guild of independent-minded players that can help you with equipment, advice, doing quests and whatnot, you might like to consider joining. We'd be glad to have you! If you're looking for big regular hunting groups and powerlevelling, that's not us.

 

[old.Elrohir_CBH]

Grouping

I think some of you are missing the point here , sure its not imposible to lvl whit rangers / shades , but the amound of time and work we have to put in is not funny anymore.

Making groups sure helps , but making groups can even be hard for non ranger/shades and than the fact that it is even harder for a shade or ranger to make a group makes VERY hard to do.

What i cant belief is after all that hard leveling mythic decides we are to uber in rvr and nerfs , nerfs and nerfs , now ranger are nothing more than weak casters whit a bow doing even less dmg then casters on casters.

Sure i can melee , but i die so fast it isnt realy smart , so at best i can shoot a few arrows in rvr whit weak dmg and then run away , scouting after patch 1.50 is death to , so there is not much to do for us.

As for shades , they still have fun in rvr , even thou i cant be long beforce mythic nerf then , because they are the only ones that can solo rvr now .

So you see get no groups and our strenght in rvr is almost enterly gonne (and will be fully in 1.50)

Another thing is , why should any class beg for groups , all classes should have a good role in pve and if not they should atleast be good in rvr.Im not realy good in rvr and there are sure ppl who can be succesfull whit an archer still but im not a super player and i think most casual player find ranger hard in both rvr and pve now.

So think about that and next time a ranger or a shade ask if they can join be nice and give them a place in your group even if you could use a other class beter.

 

[old.Fae]

This was one of the main reasons again for a shade only guild to bring together all those that had problems. At worst a shade only guild could party together and try to xp as it stands it would be difficult without support classes but unless its tried were not gonna find out.

On the plus side :-

We got communication between shades ie you were in a party and a slot comes up you ask if another shade is allowed in. You leave and ask if a guildie can replace you.

Items we all use the same stuff pass it through guild nice re-use of items within the class

Training a relic stealing team in training we go up against purple mobs may mean one goes down but you never know Ive played a dual ranger team and we could take high reds with practice. If we go over the wall we won't have a healer with us.

I agree with the "if you don't have a group make one" but I have tried and it doesnt work for me, people say we need the other support classes but would you stand a better chance if you had 4 shades already ?

Information theres high level shades out there that can advise on hunting areas, tactics that have worked for them, good drops where not to go

I agree on the stop whining it doesn't serve a purpose other than maybe aggravate those that already help shades and alienate us even more to those that frown upon us. If were gonna get help we are gonna have to help ourselves first.

Good to see silent death are doing well

Edit: Mental note -: Learn to spell