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Burn in a certain place LOS abusers 
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greatred
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Do you mean necros, animists or both?
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scoutyyy
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mainly necroes...
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lubbock
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Aye dont forget Animalists when complaining about Necromancer, and lets not ignore the Bonedancer pets runnign through the closed gates and such no reson to singel out the necro.
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imo there is a reason to single out necro's
animist plant their pets, and their intention (and this i know from speaking to them) is not to abuse the LoS bug, but just to fairly kill any unlucky mid or alb who's silly enough to walk into the pet range...yes they can kill without LoS but that isn't the animists fault
bonedancers next...they are pretty overpowererd, and pets going thru walls isn't too fair, but their pets hit for max of 40-50 dmg per hit, and you can kill them whilst they kill you, unlike necro's, who hit for 120+ dmg and are impossible to kill from inside the keep if they shooting thru walls unless u can use ranged attacks (either spells or a bow)
necro's deliberately hide their pets in trees, walls and anything else solid, and are the only ppl who can use this LoS bug that do it intentionally, and with the sole purpose of cheating to kill hibs and mids..and ppl who say it isn't cheating, how can it not be, if mythic/GOA are changing it in the next patch?
so imo there is a s very obvious reason to single out necro's
plz post some arguements, would like to hear the LoS abuse argument from animists, chanters and bonedancers as well as the regular necro reasoning its perfectly legal
animist plant their pets, and their intention (and this i know from speaking to them) is not to abuse the LoS bug, but just to fairly kill any unlucky mid or alb who's silly enough to walk into the pet range...yes they can kill without LoS but that isn't the animists fault
bonedancers next...they are pretty overpowererd, and pets going thru walls isn't too fair, but their pets hit for max of 40-50 dmg per hit, and you can kill them whilst they kill you, unlike necro's, who hit for 120+ dmg and are impossible to kill from inside the keep if they shooting thru walls unless u can use ranged attacks (either spells or a bow)
necro's deliberately hide their pets in trees, walls and anything else solid, and are the only ppl who can use this LoS bug that do it intentionally, and with the sole purpose of cheating to kill hibs and mids..and ppl who say it isn't cheating, how can it not be, if mythic/GOA are changing it in the next patch?
so imo there is a s very obvious reason to single out necro's
plz post some arguements, would like to hear the LoS abuse argument from animists, chanters and bonedancers as well as the regular necro reasoning its perfectly legal
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Gallak
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If we're gonna talk about pets running through doors please nerf the overpowered cabalists too... pets running through doors into melee range is slightly different to them standing inside a keep and nuking out, with no means of fighting back. (no climb walls in BG1)
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That should be some necros
Just because Mythic are changing it in the next patch, doesn't mean it is an illegal tactic, it just means they are changing the game dynamics. There are the same problems, all be it not so powerful with chanter pets, and all Scouts/Rangers/Hunters are able to stand behind trees and fire through them. This is called terrain exploitation and GOA won't do anything about it. As they won't do anything about the people who stand ontop of the Mithra entrance in Albion, on the Camlan server, and gank all the lowbies.
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saijan_WarLord
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Originally posted by Shadey
imo there is a reason to single out necro's
animist plant their pets, and their intention (and this i know from speaking to them) is not to abuse the LoS bug, but just to fairly kill any unlucky mid or alb who's silly enough to walk into the pet range...yes they can kill without LoS but that isn't the animists fault
bonedancers next...they are pretty overpowererd, and pets going thru walls isn't too fair, but their pets hit for max of 40-50 dmg per hit, and you can kill them whilst they kill you, unlike necro's, who hit for 120+ dmg and are impossible to kill from inside the keep if they shooting thru walls unless u can use ranged attacks (either spells or a bow)
necro's deliberately hide their pets in trees, walls and anything else solid, and are the only ppl who can use this LoS bug that do it intentionally, and with the sole purpose of cheating to kill hibs and mids..and ppl who say it isn't cheating, how can it not be, if mythic/GOA are changing it in the next patch?
so imo there is a s very obvious reason to single out necro's
plz post some arguements, would like to hear the LoS abuse argument from animists, chanters and bonedancers as well as the regular necro reasoning its perfectly legal
single out Animist's imo. i mean, they can place 15 plants at same place... pet range is big and inside a keep no alb/mid got a chance to even start hitting wall when u get spam nuked for 80-120 Damage. Necros got a range from their shade to pet, if they get too far away caster will appear with like 10hp, and after quick cast on necros is used (if they r under attack) they are pretty much helpless. Animist's r vunerable when solo ye, but i've not yet seen any animist beeing ungrouped, and these nasty casters can turn the whole tide of the battles with like 2 pets...
as for Bonedancer's, if Trolls can be BD's why cant Highlander's be wizards? , thats what sucks the most about bonedancer's, big caster trolls with 2 pets insta cast and like 400+ hp without beeing sc/crafted up. with that hp you need loads of people hitting the bonedancer since he get healed and insta life drain gives life. necro's are the worst SI class imo. when the LoS stuff gets fixed.
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greatred
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In short: everyone is shouting "nerf!" about all the other realms' new SI caster classes. Animists and necroes both have the LoS bug.
In long:
There's no denying that both sides have been abusing it (within GOA's allowed rules), and some necros have been abusing GOA's rules about spawning pets inside keep walls. I'm glad to say that none of the necros I know have been doing this and I have never seen a necro do it and they'll get a verbal slap from me if they do. Whether animists can do this or have been doing this I have never noticed so I won't whinge.
But both the legal LoS problems should be fixed in 1.60 if mythic are to be believed, by which time the animists should be laughing... Necros will become more a novelty class who just sit there for mana drain and supplying it to the casters/healers, and for AF debuffing people. Animists will lose some of their power in attacking and defending keeps but they'll still be a potent force.
Bonedancers are (perhaps) overpowered but I'm guessing they'll remain much as they are with perhaps a little fine tuning.
I hope it's only the midgard people that are moaning since they are the only realm to my knowledge to lose out on LoS abuse (through not having a LoS-abuse able class), and thus are allowed (IMHO) to moan. If you're Alb or Hib - quit whinging. We more or less have the same advantages.
(I'm an alb and I don't play a necro btw)
Let the flames begin
In long:
There's no denying that both sides have been abusing it (within GOA's allowed rules), and some necros have been abusing GOA's rules about spawning pets inside keep walls. I'm glad to say that none of the necros I know have been doing this and I have never seen a necro do it and they'll get a verbal slap from me if they do. Whether animists can do this or have been doing this I have never noticed so I won't whinge.
But both the legal LoS problems should be fixed in 1.60 if mythic are to be believed, by which time the animists should be laughing... Necros will become more a novelty class who just sit there for mana drain and supplying it to the casters/healers, and for AF debuffing people. Animists will lose some of their power in attacking and defending keeps but they'll still be a potent force.
Bonedancers are (perhaps) overpowered but I'm guessing they'll remain much as they are with perhaps a little fine tuning.
I hope it's only the midgard people that are moaning since they are the only realm to my knowledge to lose out on LoS abuse (through not having a LoS-abuse able class), and thus are allowed (IMHO) to moan. If you're Alb or Hib - quit whinging. We more or less have the same advantages.
(I'm an alb and I don't play a necro btw)
Let the flames begin
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BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN
Just liked to say that, let the Great Red burn burn burn burn
Just liked to say that, let the Great Red burn burn burn burn
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nobody mentioned chanter pets that have been bugged since day 1
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Was killed today by a bonedancer hit him three times with my pole before he killed me, at which point he was on full health.. mmmmm LOS is 1.60 when is the BD nurf?
I oh.. I have fully capped str/dex/qui/hits with a 99% thurst pole so should have at least got him close to half health.
hit him three times with my pole before he killed me, at which point he was on full health.. mmmmm LOS is 1.60 when is the BD nurf?I oh.. I have fully capped str/dex/qui/hits with a 99% thurst pole so should have at least got him close to half health.
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greatred
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Originally posted by Gimly
Was killed today by a bonedancer
I oh.. I have fully capped str/dex/qui/hits with a 99% thurst pole so should have at least got him close to half health.
Bonedancers are a whole new kettle of fish IMO... They need special tactics to... remove. The trouble is their healer pet needs to be distracted or mezzed before you can solo the BD itself. I await suggestions on reliable ways for different classes to take them out.
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aye so much for a solo stealther kill... poor old stealther pas and gets lifetapped to death
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i've been using my necro in thid over the past couple of days, he's caled Mirac... i'm sure some of the mids remember him. I have never used the pet in wall cheat, but i do use the los bug, why, because i dont have any other choice. it's not like i can check that both my pet and i have los before trying to nuke, otherwise the target would have probably ran out of range by then.
My pet is never somewhere which he cannot be hit... it's been dotted in gate room, nuked when on battlements (even when i try to put it on the very edge of the wall. it's also been pbae'd through the gates whilst im outside waving to the spiritmaster hitting me
Also necros can almost single handedly defend thid keep, i remember hitting one zerker on the inner keep door at 2am on tuesday morning
I also try to give power to anyone that asks, but people still have a go at me! one person said to me " Mirac i know your getting loads of rp's on the battlements but there are casters and healers here with no power" i mean wtf! all peple have to do is ask, i can't just go around giving every bloody caster power...
My pet is never somewhere which he cannot be hit... it's been dotted in gate room, nuked when on battlements (even when i try to put it on the very edge of the wall. it's also been pbae'd through the gates whilst im outside waving to the spiritmaster hitting me
Also necros can almost single handedly defend thid keep, i remember hitting one zerker on the inner keep door at 2am on tuesday morning
I also try to give power to anyone that asks, but people still have a go at me! one person said to me " Mirac i know your getting loads of rp's on the battlements but there are casters and healers here with no power" i mean wtf! all peple have to do is ask, i can't just go around giving every bloody caster power...
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Gerta Ugbash
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Don't know how many times the other night I ran upto gate with Gertas and waited for you to hit me so I could get target on your Necro and set junior on him. Think you sussed me out after a couple of attempts, hell we even had /hugs outside the gate
Don't know how many times the other night I ran upto gate with Gertas and waited for you to hit me so I could get target on your Necro and set junior on him. Think you sussed me out after a couple of attempts, hell we even had /hugs outside the gate