Rant Oh God Almighty.

[Trem]

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Praying man let his daughter die

I would put money on the guy still believing in Jebus and Cod. I reckon he see's it as meant to be.

America has a massive problem with religion and their trust in it, when oh when will they wake up and smell the coffee?

Poor little girl, absolutely mind boggling.

 

[old.user4556]

I read that this morning, I was furious.

I can quantify it in one word: fuckwit.

 

[Noghi]

Erh...either this is old news or it has happend AGAIN. Those muppets should be shot in the face for their stupidity

 

[old.Tohtori]

Let's put all religious people in the same slot, yes, good show.

That is a silly religious man, not simply a religious man.

 

[cHodAX]

Religious zealots, fucking the world up since the days of cavemen.

 

[00dave]

Let's put all religious people in the same slot, yes, good show.

That is a silly religious man, not simply a religious man.

Oh please don't start that shit again. This is a case of blind faith = neglect so don't start complaining about religion bashing.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh please don't start that shit again. This is a case of blind faith = neglect so don't start complaining about religion bashing.

I'm not, just pointing out not to put every person in the same camp with morons.

Or should i put you down as a chav for living in england(can't be arsed to remember if you did live there)?

 

[00dave]

I'm not, just pointing out not to put every person in the same camp with morons.

Or should i put you down as a chav for living in england(can't be arsed to remember if you did live there)?

Bad analogy really bordering on racism/trolling, but I'll bite. Chavs aren't chavs because they're English, other countries have chavs they just don't call them chavs. Chavs are chavs because they're wankers usually from broken homes.

Religious nutters however are nutters because they're religious, in this case a man so convinced that there is a god that he refused to put a doctor before god, so with armed with that logic who took his bins away, did he put the trashmen before god there. Who taught him how to read and write, hmm must have put the teachers before god there as well. I could go on. Same with the muslim extremists, they blow themselves up because of religion.

So no you can't put me down as a chav because I live in England. Perhaps you should have said something like I'm a killer because I was a soldier, that would have made more sense.

 

[Zenith.UK]

Faith is a good thing to have because it can provide comfort and strength in difficult times. BLIND faith to the exclusion of all reason is very very bad and IMO is the sign of mental illness.

This man showed blind faith with regard to his daughter. He believed so strongly that faith would heal his daughter that he was actually negligent. As a parent myself, I would be driving my children to hospital myself at 100mph if any of them fell seriously ill... sod waiting for an ambulance.

Religion has got a bad press in this report, but the bottom line is that he was misguiding himself and now his daughter died. He contributed to her death by not seeking medical attention for her and therefore is culpable for her death, i.e. murder/homicide. He's going to suffer the results of his actions for the rest of his life, whether he goes to prison or not.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So no you can't put me down as a chav because I live in England. Perhaps you should have said something like I'm a killer because I was a soldier, that would have made more sense.

If i knew that, i would've. Fair enough, you're a killer 'cause you were a soldier. Still not true right?

The point stands at "not all are" and is valid, all i'm saying and not getting into it.

Oh and; it's not racism to give an example. I didn't call you a chav. But hey, you argue what a chav actually is, while that clearly is the point of what i said.

 

[tris-]

This man showed blind faith with regard to his daughter. He believed so strongly that faith would heal his daughter that he was actually negligent. As a parent myself, I would be driving my children to hospital myself at 100mph if any of them fell seriously ill... sod waiting for an ambulance.

Is that not also negligent blind faith in your self, against all reason, that you are the best hope to get your children to treatment?

Reason tells me that an ambulance driver is trained to drive at high speed, an ambulance has equipment to treat on route, an ambulance can drive through lights and other vehicles will move. I take it your vehicle probably cannot do any of these things.

 

[nath]

Absolute insanity. I mean even with wacky religious beliefs it's possible to think of this act as stupid, surely everyone has heard this story:

Shamelessly copied from some bullshit God loving site:

Spoiler

The flood waters were coming. It had been raining for days and the townspeople knew, everyone knew, the flood waters were coming. Anyone with even a little common sense packed up and headed out of town to higher ground. But not Old Man Thompson! When his neighbors encouraged him to leave before the flood waters came, Old Man Thompson said, God will save me! The flood waters came up to Old Man Thompson’s porch. The police, in a boat, came by his house and wanted to rescue Old Man Thompson, but he said, God will save me! The flood waters continued to rise. Old Man Thompson climbed up onto his roof, the rescue squad zoomed in with a helicopter, but Old Man Thompson said again, God will save me!

Old Man Thompson died in the flood.

He went to heaven. He was so angry. He stood before God and shook his finger at God. I worshipped you my whole life! Why didn’t you rescue me from the flood waters? God said, Old Man Thompson, What do you want? I sent your neighbors. I sent a boat. I sent a helicopter. What happened?

The prosecution could say "are you suggesting God had no hand in the discovery of medical science, that God gave the gift of intelligence to the doctors that would have helped your daughter?".

Either way, what a ****.

 

[Scouse]

All faith is blind. Reason and faith don't exist at the same time. They are both actions that are mutually exclusive.

People who act reasonably ditch their faith temporarily.

 

[ECA]

I have faith in the stupidity of mankind.

 

[Reno]

i have faith in the stupidity of mankind.

qft

 

[Ctuchik]

Let's put all religious people in the same slot,

sure, why not?

if they believe in a 2000 odd year old self biography of a insane man, why not?

 

[Aoami]

Absolute insanity. I mean even with wacky religious beliefs it's possible to think of this act as stupid, surely everyone has heard this story:

Shamelessly copied from some bullshit God loving site:

Spoiler

The flood waters were coming. It had been raining for days and the townspeople knew, everyone knew, the flood waters were coming. Anyone with even a little common sense packed up and headed out of town to higher ground. But not Old Man Thompson! When his neighbors encouraged him to leave before the flood waters came, Old Man Thompson said, God will save me! The flood waters came up to Old Man Thompson’s porch. The police, in a boat, came by his house and wanted to rescue Old Man Thompson, but he said, God will save me! The flood waters continued to rise. Old Man Thompson climbed up onto his roof, the rescue squad zoomed in with a helicopter, but Old Man Thompson said again, God will save me!

Old Man Thompson died in the flood.

He went to heaven. He was so angry. He stood before God and shook his finger at God. I worshipped you my whole life! Why didn’t you rescue me from the flood waters? God said, Old Man Thompson, What do you want? I sent your neighbors. I sent a boat. I sent a helicopter. What happened?

The prosecution could say "are you suggesting God had no hand in the discovery of medical science, that God gave the gift of intelligence to the doctors that would have helped your daughter?".

Either way, what a ****.

im no god lover, but surely most religous people, even the most devout, would just say something like 'well the boat was sent by god' and get on it.

 

[DaGaffer]

im no god lover, but surely most religous people, even the most devout, would just say something like 'well the boat was sent by god' and get on it.

Which is Nath's point. For "boat" read "doctor".

 

[Zenith.UK]

Is that not also negligent blind faith in your self, against all reason, that you are the best hope to get your children to treatment?

Reason tells me that an ambulance driver is trained to drive at high speed, an ambulance has equipment to treat on route, an ambulance can drive through lights and other vehicles will move. I take it your vehicle probably cannot do any of these things.

Against all reason doesn't come into it. Latest Welsh Assembly figures show 74.6% of all emergency callouts get to you in 8 minutes, and that goes up to 82.7% within 10 minutes. THEN there's the travel time to the hospital.
Source: Beyond 20/20 WDS - Table View

I can be at the A&E dept of my local hospital 5 miles away within 8 minutes if I drove there myself. Yes, I can be AT the hospital before an ambulance would even arrive at my house. Reckless perhaps, but not negligent.

That's drifting away from the point though. Passively sitting there praying for your daughter to get better and actively getting your daughter to hospital are totally different. I don't see how any father who takes an active part in their children's lives can sit back and watch them die.
Don't try and compare this case with Abraham being told to kill his son, Isaac. That was a test of faith where he was stopped before the killing stroke. This man took his daughter's illness as a test of faith, believing that God would save her if he prayed hard enough.
Miracles hardly ever happen, so he was misguided even from a statistical point of view.

My previous comment shows that I consider him foolish but I also pity him. He no longer has his daughter, and he knows that he contributed to her death. That's what I meant by having to live with the consequences of his actions.

 

[tris-]

I would stil disagree. Correct me if I am wrong but you are not trained to drive at 100mph? You dop not have the ability to run through red lights or make other cars move?
If anything Id say you are adding to the risks.
The ambulance may take that long, but it also has the added ability of paramedics and other equipment. So while you may be at the hospital first, youve also increased the risk of injuring your self and other people.

 

[Trem]

I just......can't......get my head around any of this.

I just can't understand why intelligent human beings believe in what is basically Santa and fairies.

Having said that I can see why it's a wonderful thought for many people, it's a lovely thought to think this life is not the end but.....it is......you die and then you turn to dust, sad but true.

Religion is a massive industry, much like why there isn't electric cars everywhere = America has too much to lose.

Now I know not all Americans are religion freaks, but the ones that are seem to be many and widespread and they take it to *such* extremes sometimes that I don't see how they can judge any other race, country or religion.

Fuck religion and fuck the brain washed simpletons who believe in anything other than this life.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thing about people like this though, it hurts the religious people(all, not just christinaity etc) more then the anti-religious people.

Every time some unstable human who happens to be religious does these things, you get thrown in the same lot.

There's nutty religious folk and then there's the every day normal religious folk, i just wish people would draw a good old fashioned line between the two when bashing religion.

 

[Trem]

The line is the same line chum. The line of Santa and fairies, some people *really* believe in Santa and some *slightly* believe in Santa just in case he's true. Either way they are being sold a fairy tale that they are swallowing.

 

[Chilly]

imagine the court case after 5 appeals and the question has come down to "does god exist" and a hury has to decide because this man's guilt rests on the point.

man I'd love a case like that, collossal waste of time and money but amusing to watch.

HES REAL COS I SAY HE IS, K? >_<

 

[tris-]

I thought that Billy Connoly film already sorted that one out.

 

[Uncle Sick]

Well, considering the colonies were populated by Europe's biggest religious nuts.... are you really that surprised? We kicked them out back in the day and this is what happened.

But then again - saying that divine intervention healing is a crazy American things is crap --> Jehova's Witnesses for example. Try give one of them a blood transfusion and see what happens. And they are everywhere. There might be two of them knocking on your door as I post this. Hehe.

I had a J.W. kid in my class - he was carrying a little laminated card stating exactly that. And that was back in Germany.

And it looks like the D.A. in his area is prosecuting them for being ass tards. GG.

 

[Zenith.UK]

The line is the same line chum. The line of Santa and fairies, some people *really* believe in Santa and some *slightly* believe in Santa just in case he's true. Either way they are being sold a fairy tale that they are swallowing.

So let me get this right.... you're saying that Santa Claus is a fairytale?!?!?!?!
:lol:

 

[old.Tohtori]

The line is the same line chum. The line of Santa and fairies, some people *really* believe in Santa and some *slightly* believe in Santa just in case he's true. Either way they are being sold a fairy tale that they are swallowing.

Would be interesting to see what you think, do, act etc.

Bet there's plenty of so called swallowing in your life.

 

[gunner440]

Fuck religion and fuck the brain washed simpletons who believe in anything other than this life.

Thanks Trem :/

 

[Turamber]

if they believe in a 2000 odd year old self biography of a insane man, why not?

I guess one shouldn't be surprised on the internet where all kinds of garbage is spouted but, seriously, hit Google and research the accuracy of your statement. You may also wish to Google the profession of one of the Gospel writers, Luke.

In other news that guy was completely round the twist, hardly representative of millions of Christians worldwide who accept medical treatment. But, of course, that isn't newsworthy, it is just too damn normal.