Off-topic Mafia #7 Game Thread

[old.Tohtori]

Why i've argued against your logic is that i don't believe it.

My reasoning comes from TWO mafia victories, a 100% success rate and all in all, experience(since you like to compare previous games), so maybe you should take a moment to listen when i'm on YOUR side.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Now you most likely will answer with "No you're mafia and that's it!", or somthing similar, but don't worry, i'm still not gonna advocate your hanging.

 

[ECA]

Yet again you take one small section, ignore the rest and attack me generating more posts for people to trawl through, while ignoring the valid arguments and attacking me.


From the post above...which you ignore...

Quote:
Why are you ignoring that i've also agreed to parts of your logic?

You havnt, in fact you've avoided quoting any of it instead focusing on attacking any other aspect of my posts you can reply to to divert any attention away from the logic itself - this is actually my main reason why you are mafia.

What you have done is create 3 pages of me repeating my points logically and without prejudice and try and distort them and make it look like I'm trying to get you lynched for no real reason.


As a villager you would never ever behave this way.

In addition, you tried to ignore my logic and blow it off, claiming that the mafia could perhaps not have voted for Levin for the purpose of deception - a truly absurb claim compared to the advantage the mafia get of lynching levin and then killing another innocent - AGAIN THIS IS A HUGE PART OF WHY YOU ARE MAFIA.

Isnt the fact that you continually do exactly what I said even when claiming not to, pure proof that your mafia?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I answered everything you posted

Yet, you ignored it all.

And still won't answer.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You're actually claiming i'm doing everything that you're doing:

Ignoring.
Taking only parts.
Not answering.
Not voting kirennia.
etc.

So by your OWN logic, you should be mafia

 

[old.Tohtori]

And this aaaall began by you ECA. Accusations start at page 3, and escalate when i even peek towards fl3a.

This was BEFORE your "great logical relevance".


Your "strong" key points to me being mafia are void:

Coming up with a theory that's "ridicilous" to counter yours :
- Mine was before yours and YOU countered my reasoning. Go see, page 3-5.

Not voting for kirennia :
- when i am, and can vote for will too.

Me being mafia :
- Well, that's your own opinion, nothing to do with logic.

So any more lies?

 

[ECA]

yes, everything in your post

 

[old.Tohtori]

yes, everything in your post

You can look them up, go ahead, anyone. It's the truth.

Only one spreading lies and confusion, hell atleast confusing me, is you.

If i've lied about things posted, i'll own up to it, but i think you'll find that it's ECA who's twisted the facts.

 

[ECA]

btw toht, you ever considered a career in politics? The republican party in america would pay top $$$ for you.

 

[old.Tohtori]

btw toht, you ever considered a career in politics? The republican party in america would pay top $$$ for you.

Now that's just over the line. Keep it in the game.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And since you have to resort to that:

Unvote
Vote: ECA

Dead certain now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And just incase you take the stance, if i was mafia, i'd keep my vote on kirennia and hope other people would realise i'm not bad, since split votes is a lot more safe then me going on to vote a complete new person.

 

[ECA]

No you wouldnt, you kept your vote there while you thought there was a chance you could convince me to change mine.

All the evidence is there to everyone, they can read it and see who was trying to obfuscate what.

There is no point me giving you further ammo to distort, hence my curt replies.

 

[old.Tohtori]

All the evidence is there to everyone, they can read it and see

You're finally telling some truth.

 

[fl3a]

holy mother of god how much can you people post in one day
ill read it all in the morning when im sober

 

[Levin]

I thought I'd put together a little summary. Have I understood this right?

* ECA has put together a little chart of possibilities based on logic. In it, he concludes it is more likely that Tohtori/Vasc/Will/Kirennia are mafia.

* Tohtori comments that ECA's logic excludes himself as a suspect and says the whole logic may be at fault if the actions it was based on were just a deception. Tohtori doesn't believe ECA's logic but votes Kirennia (for other reasons I assume).

* ECA retorts that Tohtori doesn't see the strength of the logic and is trying to confuse people. ECA feels very strongly that Tohtori is mafia and votes for him because of this.

* Tohtori and ECA argue back and forth, including reasons for/against voting for Kirennia, without really getting anywhere. After some heated debate where they both claim that the other ignores the other's points, Tohtori votes ECA because he is now dead certain he is mafia.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I thought I'd put together a little summary. Have I understood this right?

* ECA has put together a little chart of possibilities based on logic. In it, he concludes it is more likely that Tohtori/Vasc/Will/Kirennia are mafia.

* Tohtori comments that ECA's logic excludes himself as a suspect and says the whole logic may be at fault if the actions it was based on were just a deception. Tohtori doesn't believe ECA's logic but votes Kirennia (for other reasons I assume).

* ECA retorts that Tohtori doesn't see the strength of the logic and is trying to confuse people. ECA feels very strongly that Tohtori is mafia and votes for him because of this.

* Tohtori and ECA argue back and forth, including reasons for/against voting for Kirennia, without really getting anywhere. After some heated debate where they both claim that the other ignores the other's points, Tohtori votes ECA because he is now dead certain he is mafia.

Well it's lacking a few things, like that ECAs claims for me being mafia are void(as you see from my previous post) and the only reason for him voting me is "because i am mafia".

Also, i'm basing my "ECAs logic is falwed" on the theory i had BEFORE ECA.(again a point which ECA twisted)

I didn't believe ECA, 'cause you can't blindly believe anyone at this point. I have my own logic and i disagree with ECA.

The reason why i voted for him at the end, is because he's REALLY ignoring the points that would make him look bad.

 

[old.Tohtori]

ECAs chart became after i posted my theory, and ECAs chart is against my logic. So all in all, it's ECA who really started the "confusion propaganda".

 

[old.Tohtori]

And the really kicker, as you noticed, voting for/against kirennia:

ECA claims we shold, yet i'm the one who did.

 

[old.Tohtori]

But i'm not gonna go over it all again. If people have something to ask, they can, but ask before you make assumptions and judge by that.

 

[Levin]

My little summary tried to be neutral and brief, so I left out a lot of details. People really should read the whole exchange.

The funny thing is.. I'm no longer so sure one of you guys is mafia. I think it's either none of you (seems more likely) OR... and I say this with regret.. it's BOTH! AGAIN! In that case this would just be a charade between the two of you to keep at least one of you guys safe.

Crazy theory I know, but all possibilities must be accounted for.

 

[old.Tohtori]

My little summary tried to be neutral and brief, so I left out a lot of details. People really should read the whole exchange.

The funny thing is.. I'm no longer so sure one of you guys is mafia. I think it's either none of you (seems more likely) OR... and I say this with regret.. it's BOTH! AGAIN! In that case this would just be a charade between the two of you to keep at least one of you guys safe.

Crazy theory I know, but all possibilities must be accounted for.

Good theory and yes, it would work wonders.

Shame i'm not, and if "past experience"(like ECA loves to do) comes to play, you should notice that this is NOT the way i would act as mafia.

 

[Levin]

Good theory and yes, it would work wonders.

Shame i'm not, and if "past experience"(like ECA loves to do) comes to play, you should notice that this is NOT the way i would act as mafia.

Well, I know that when you are mafia you make a point out of acting as irrationally as possible. Trying to do the exact opposite of what you think people would think you'd do. So.. I'm not going to judge your being mafia or not based on the way you act. Each game is new.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, I know that when you are mafia you make a point out of acting as irrationally as possible. Trying to do the exact opposite of what you think people would think you'd do. So.. I'm not going to judge your being mafia or not based on the way you act. Each game is new.

Is that really what people think of my mafia work?

it's actually nowhere close to that, but, different topic really.

Anyhoo, i'm gonna get hanged innocent 'cause people are getting bored and ECA spewed so much lies and twisted everything, that it's all the same really.

nothing he said, that was "incriminating", was true, and if people had the patience to check the facts, they'd see i'm right.

 

[fl3a]

after catching up on yesterdays events:
right now id rather not vote against tohtori, as my suspicions about him will probably become explained in the coming days. after reading the drawn out and rather personal argument i am torn between ECA, Kirennia and Will. even though ECA was becoming immensely aggressive and personal in his accusations against tohtori, it is possible that genuine concern and passionate defense of his ideas can be misconstrued as desperate accusations to hide his mafia nature. there is quite a chance that he is a townie, albeit a very suspicious one, and due to that i think that i am not against keeping him alive, so no vote right now. then comes the choice between kirennia and will - while neither has in my eyes really implicated themselves, neither has been very active either. levin has kept his vote on kirennia for ages, and tohtori only changed his vote to ECA after several attacks on himself. i am going to vote for kirennia, as i believe that it is the best bandwagon to be on right now, with the people in this town desperate to lynch someone, anyone, everyone

unvote
vote: kirennia

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, fl3a makes a good point, and i think ECA should follow suit on this...acording to ALL his posted stuff.

unvote
Vote: kirennia

Still think he's mafia though, so probably won't.

 

[Will]

I love it when people with as many posts as me call me inactive.

 

[Will]

Has anyone got any idea what the vote count is at the moment?

 

[fl3a]

3 on kirennia, 2 on tohtori is what it should be. and sorry if i call you inactive but thats the difference between live games and forum games, in live games you can see that someone is sitting quietly and listening, while on forum games someone might be sitting back and reading everything, or they might just not care and check the thread like once every two days

 

[Levin]

after catching up on yesterdays events:
right now id rather not vote against tohtori, as my suspicions about him will probably become explained in the coming days. after reading the drawn out and rather personal argument i am torn between ECA, Kirennia and Will. even though ECA was becoming immensely aggressive and personal in his accusations against tohtori, it is possible that genuine concern and passionate defense of his ideas can be misconstrued as desperate accusations to hide his mafia nature. there is quite a chance that he is a townie, albeit a very suspicious one, and due to that i think that i am not against keeping him alive, so no vote right now. then comes the choice between kirennia and will - while neither has in my eyes really implicated themselves, neither has been very active either. levin has kept his vote on kirennia for ages, and tohtori only changed his vote to ECA after several attacks on himself. i am going to vote for kirennia, as i believe that it is the best bandwagon to be on right now, with the people in this town desperate to lynch someone, anyone, everyone

unvote
vote: kirennia

This nice little block of text pretty much sums up what I feel too. I haven't thought as much about Will though, so feel rather neutral towards him.

But with the whole ECA/Tohtori thing, I agree with Fl3a here with the small addition that we should keep in our minds that they might both be mafia or both innocent.