Off-topic mafia #11 Pie7+2

[old.Tohtori]

What the hell?

First ch3tan pulls a "kirs innocent" move, then when people agree, levin doesn't and votes on what i said was a possibility(very sneaky mafia tactic), ch3tan does a complete 180 on his own judgement?

 

[Ch3tan]

I have not done a 180, I said that I agree with his theory, but I have not yet placed a vote. Until I vote and switch, I am just speculating and seeing what other think of my theory.

Levin: Can you provide any quotes to back up why you think its kir?

 

[Levin]

For obvious reasons I can't provide a lot of quotes from Kir since he's only made 11 posts in total. At first he just advocated No Lynch and provided some neutral posts about numbers. I've learnt that voting No Lynch isn't a sign that someone is mafia (unless you're desperate for clues), so not really worth much in itself.

It's mostly just the silence and reluctance to get "into the fray" with the rest of us that makes him stand out to me. That's pretty much all I got. I guess the below post looks a little odd to me as well, though.

I'm still at a loss as to who to vote for. It's sort of got to the stage now whereby I'm just going to put the third vote on anyone to get the ball rolling again; this is dragging

He thinks it's dragging and is willing to put a third vote - but he won't give us any info on himself by putting a first vote, even now after everyone has spoken on this day, and plenty of time to read things through has been given.

 

[kirennia]

It's mostly just the silence and reluctance to get "into the fray" with the rest of us that makes him stand out to me. That's pretty much all I got. I guess the below post looks a little odd to me as well, though.



He thinks it's dragging and is willing to put a third vote - but he won't give us any info on himself by putting a first vote, even now after everyone has spoken on this day, and plenty of time to read things through has been given.

I've said it in every town, I always keep contact with what is going on and am not not afraid to vote on someone who I beleive is guilty but so far, no-one has acted out of character. I never have been someone to vote without having at least some sort of an idea as to the probability of someones guilt, hence my... well... looking back, I haven't voted on anyone thus far so yeah it's safe to assume I hadn't found anything out as of yet...

That said, I haven't been as unproductive as you've made it sound.

My first plan of seeing who was strictly against a no vote has held some information, especially after re-reading the thread again, noting who has taken a back seat in important decisions but also remaining firm in pushing people onto someonelse.

The second being to see if anyone did a second vote on someone after I said I'd to the third which kind of backfires as it was on me, lol.

As annoyingly 'convenient' as this sounds, the first plan made me see Uara as more guilty and the second, Levin, both of whom already have voted against me...

Out of the two, it has to be:

vote:Uara

For picking holes in other peoples consideration of a no vote but not directly facing the subject matter; then throughout the game, picking up a trait of not getting into anyones way but still pushing suspision around in a non-aggressive fashion. Even after voting for me, upon seeing no followers he's retracted but immediately in the same post casted doubts over three other peoples innocence.

 

[Uara]

Well if im discounting you for the potential reasons that Ch3t stated and I'm innocent, then the only 3 people that can be mafia have to be Toht,Levin or Ch3tan, because thats all thats left. Its the same as what Toht was saying in the post before mine.

The problem comes with the fact that if you just stay quiet and wait for other people to ensure someones guilt before you make a vote, if other people go with that train of thought then your in a bit of a tricky situation. I'm not saying its a bad policy, but only really works if only 1 or 2 hang back. (i'm not sure that paragraph actually makes much sense but i'll stick with it)

The problem im finding is that im not keen on putting a second vote on someone if im still wavering on their innocence/guilt. As a second vote at this time in the game coudl almost be seen as an automatic death sentence if we have the wrong person!

 

[old.Tohtori]

The thing about kirennias post that strikes me as "innocent" is that he's basically begging for Uara to vote "for revenge".

That would set kirennia up for "one to kill", and either ch3t or me would certainly do that, if not only to speed things up.

 

[Ch3tan]

Please do not state what I will or will not do. You have no idea.

Strikes me as a subtle attempt to discredit my good name.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Please do not state what I will or will not do. You have no idea.

Strikes me as a subtle attempt to discredit my good name.

*sigh* Don't make it a bigger issue then it is. Just saying, from my own views, what i think.

So you wouldn't, fine, but from people left to vote, we'd be the only ones.

I actually think your "I have not done a 180, I said that I agree with his theory, " post was valid and in good show of reason. Kind of a reply i was hoping for, then again it brings my attention back to levin and uara, and uara being more innocent in my books..well...no offence to levin but i'm kinda leaning that way.

But as we all know, making a rationalised decicion is usually the wrong one. Have to look at this all from a very scewed perspective.

 

[Ch3tan]

Righto, before we all get mod killed.

I am honestly torn as to who to vote for.

Unfortunately Toht is right, re-reading kir's post just makes me think he is dodgy. However I think toht is trying to be way to clever for his own good. I do not like the way he seems to be second guessing everything -good detective work maybe, putting seeds of doubt in peoples minds? - more likely.

I will give kir the benefit of the doubt for now, so

vote Toht

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thing is, my point was towards kirennia being innocent. He voted on uara, of all people, and risked a vote from uara towards him, making him "one vote towards death". I've kept my vote on you ch3tan, and i will do so now even firmer atleast until you clear if you meant what you said.

I'm looking at uara, levin and ch3tan, because i doubt kirennia is guilty at all. Uara, well, nice to the extreme(so to say). Levin, well, i've stated those reasons. Ch3tan, also done the same.

PErsonally, gonna keep vote on ch3tan for now.

 

[Iceforge]

Vote Count
Day 3

Kirennia - 1 - (Levin)
Uara - 1 - (Kirennia)
Old.Tohtori - 1 - (Ch3tan)

Not Voted: 2 (Uara, Old.Tohtori)

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

The tension was getting higher.
It wouldn't be long before not even a majority was needed to get a lynch done.

("Deadline" at 18.00 CET friday 26th, at which point votes to lynch decrease by 1. In case of this leading to a tie in which both with enough votes on them for a lynch, both will be lynched)

 

[Uara]

hmmmmmmmm, ok a busy weekend for me meant i was unavailable! Well i see im still alive which is always a good thing. I've mulled things over whilst painting stables etc (hmmm wrong town maybe ) but i'm going back to what I originally thought. Kirennia you out of all the rest seem the most suspicious to me. I kno its the most dodgy second vote, but whoever I vote for it would end up with a second vote.
Vote Kirennia

 

[kirennia]

hmmmmmmmm, ok a busy weekend for me meant i was unavailable! Well i see im still alive which is always a good thing. I've mulled things over whilst painting stables etc (hmmm wrong town maybe ) but i'm going back to what I originally thought. Kirennia you out of all the rest seem the most suspicious to me. I kno its the most dodgy second vote, but whoever I vote for it would end up with a second vote.
Vote Kirennia

It's okay, it's covering your own back which I can understand... it does seem a tad suspicious though when you try to start a set of votes on me, when they don't come you retract your vote and then after someonelse has voted on me, you jump back on after the weekend (it would have been less suspicious if you did it right away imo as it'd be too obvious to be a guilty action).


In fact, I've had an idea...if I'm wrong in my calculations, I may have just given the mafia the edge but I don't think I am.

It's gotten to the point in the game whereby no matter what, if an innocent is lynched today, another will follow at night. I'm willing to effectively end my game tonight to give the town the edge at this point as it'll improve our chances.

I am the doctor! You will know this is true because no-onelse can possibly come forward and claim it and we all know there is one in the town...I ask for no-one to add a vote on me until everyonelse in the game has confirmed that they aren't the doctor.

There we go, instead of 1/5 chance today, it's now 1/4 and the chances from then on in are the same even with me dead tonight, thus, as the town we've gained but lost nothing.

The reason I've waited until now to say this is because I didn't think I'd be lynched but my logical arguments haven't worked...

So now, lets start closing the noose on the most guilty looking...

 

[old.Tohtori]

That's why i didn't vote for kirennia, 'cause if i was mafia, i would've spotted his behaviour and quiet style a mile away

 

[Uara]

Well I can safely say i'm not the doctor oh and Kirennia

my logical arguments haven't worked

unfortunately logic doesnt always work here!

 

[Levin]

That's some good thinking there Kirennia. I'm not the doctor either. Just Ch3tan left (since I assume Tohtori's statement from earlier in the game still stands), and if he's not it either, I will take my vote off of you.

 

[Ch3tan]

Well I am the doctor so ner.




































































































































oh wait, no I'm not, I better take my pills.

 

[Uara]

lol well im guessing as no-one else is claiming to be the doctor, then im going to retract my vote then off Kirennia. Time to have some more of a think then!
Unvote

 

[Ch3tan]

Actually we can increase our odds to win this.

If we have a split vote going into Friday then both those players get lynched.

Would help eliminate any doubts, would also give the mafia a quick win though if we got it wrong.

 

[kirennia]

Actually we can increase our odds to win this.

If we have a split vote going into Friday then both those players get lynched.

Would help eliminate any doubts, would also give the mafia a quick win though if we got it wrong.

We've now got a 1/4 chance of getting the right person today and a 1/3 chance tomorrow presuming I'm to be killed tonight.

That's better odds then 2/4

 

[Ch3tan]

Fair do's, I am in all honesty shit with odds. I do however have a knack for spotting contradictions.

 

[kirennia]

Eh?

I do however have a knack for spotting contradictions.

 

[Levin]

Unvote: Kirennia

Thank you Kirennia. And sorry I suspected you!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Vote: ch3tan

Seems i've dropped that vote somewhere...

 

[Levin]

So where do we stand now? As far as I can tell, we have just two votes at the moment - Ch3tan and Tohtori voting on eachother?

 

[Uara]

and i think Kirennia has a vote on me, with just me and u not voted on anyone. I think thats where we stand!

 

[kirennia]

So that's 3 people with one vote going into the last day? 3 lynches maybe? That'd mean unless Levin is the roleblocker, we'd win Go on, someone put a vote on him too so the townies can guarantee a win...lol. Come to think of it, maybe a better way of lynching in a timeout could be made; losing 2 or more people in a lynch is a lil silly


Seriously though, where has all the banter gone? I know I'm one of the quieter ones but... well you know my reason now Would rather it went on another day to increase townies chance of winning. And don't leave a vote til the last minute, in my eyes, if anyone does that, we've found the final mafia person. Maybe if we all list order of guiltiness we think then we can all come to a comprimise before tomorrows deadline.

1)Uara - reasons already explained
2)Tohtori - Don't think I've seen you stick up for so many people in a game before. Sorry if it's genuine but it smells a bit fishy to me.
3)Levin - Because of the choices of the people killed, specifically their personality roles in the game (voting systems etc) I could imagine you killing off those
4)Ch3tan - No idea why you seem the most innocent to me. In my initial notes you had 2 questionmarks next to your name, the most out of anyone but as time went on you've seemed more innocent.


So come on guys, lay your cards on the table. At least we wont get the usual "I knew it was x all along really!" unless we really do end up killing the right people, heh.

 

[Ch3tan]

I am quite happy with my vote where it is, it is more a gut feeling than anything else. Uara has been quieter than both levin and toht so may have just slipped beneath my radar.

Toht has probably got the vote from me over Levin as he has been more aggressive. But as that is all I have to go on, I am not changing my vote unless I see good reason to.

 

[Uara]

Lol, ok here we go, may aswell lay my cards on the table.
Levin:-As i said with regards to Ch3tan (i wrote this post in reverse) I'm going to have to go with my gut instinct again and say in my eyes, Levin seems to be the most suspicious. Its harking back to my very first vote in this town and i've never really got over that niggling at the back of my mind.
Tohtori:-I dunno, you've been quite solid with your arguments and have stuck with your convictions is in my eyes definitely not a bad things, but you still seem a bit more suspicious than Ch3tan.
Ch3tan-i think you seem the least suspicious as well. I dont have much evidence for it, but as we dont have much going for us then i'm going to have to go with a bit of gut feeling.
Vote Levin

 

[Levin]

Well, in my eyes Tohtori seems more innocent than the rest to me simply for having spoken out for Kirennia before he claimed doc. Ch3tan did as well even though he was willing to listen to my argument why I thought Kir was guilty. It all got turned around of course when we realized Kir is innocent. In either case, this just leaves me with Uara. Uara seems to be picking on me as an easy target and has carefully avoided suspicion upon himself.

Vote: Uara