Off-topic mafia #11 Pie7+2

[Uara]

well. we don't have much else to go on, so I thought i'd just try putting a vote down. See what results we get when Kirennia has a chance for a rebuttal. At least that way we could at least try to get peoples cards away from their chest!

 

[Levin]

I've actually been wondering about Kirennia too, but I want to be very careful with putting a vote on someone at this point. Unless Uara is the mafia, me voting Kirennia too would serve Kirennia on a platter to the mafia, IF he is innocent. I miss our cop.

Kirennia do you have anything to say?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well what i've noticed is that innocent people don't have ANY problems in voting off other innocents.

Only ones who seem to even give two flying rats hineys are the scum.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Unvote

Earn it a vote from both of you if it will, but i've got to check a bit...

 

[Uara]

Unfortunately some innocents have to be voted off, otherwise people wouldnt put down the last vote unless they were mafia themselves or it was a sure vote. The problem comes with the fact that at times we can be pretty rash with our decisions especially if we've got something into our head. Golena's lynching being a prime example.

Scum will have problems with voting on innocents as they have to think about how there voting pattern works and whether putting a vote on xyz at abc moment will make them look. Thus they have to think much more about how they vote off innocents.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And it didn't take long;

Back to Vote: Levin

That tippy-toeing around is really nagging my brain, so i'm going with it.

 

[Uara]

hmmmmmm checking Kirennia's activity he's been on today, so unless he's writing a massive post, he's lurking in the background!

 

[Levin]

Interesting, Tohtori.

Vote someone off without reasoning, get aggro. Try to reason before voting, get aggro. Open your mouth and you get aggro. Be quiet and you're okay. I really don't like that tactic, as it shuts people up, afraid to get band-wagoned without being able to defend themselves and it makes for a quiet boring town, with lots of quick votes and no reasoning. In the end it leads to a situation where we have no information because nobody dares speak. Quick votes are easier to do in the beginning of the game, but now that every vote counts heavy as led and a mistake will cost us very dearly - i think some caution is called for. Shooting from the hip at this stage will likely lose us the game, so i'm going to discourage it in the only way I can.

Vote: Tohtori

 

[old.Tohtori]

Discourage all you want and i didn't expect anything else to come out of it.

I said i dislike the tiptoeing, too careful, Uara isn't afraid to vote, you are completely.

That's my reasoning, and i doubt i've voted anyone here on basis of being quiet or joining a bandwagon.

You twisted that quite out of proportion.

 

[kirennia]

hmmmmmm checking Kirennia's activity he's been on today, so unless he's writing a massive post, he's lurking in the background!

Hi there!

I was on this morning before going to sleep but didn't post in this thread. I've been taking somewhat of a back seat for a little while now, trying to pick up on anything said but at the moment, I can't be sure of anyones guilt as no-one seems to be changing their gameplan from town to town. This is what I'm trying to go on is changes in character.

I would list them but that'll just give people further immunity in the future or will stop them from making a change in this game...

I have no quarms in putting the last vote on somebody as I beleive our chances aren't going to be improved by waiting for a week and as far as I see, we aren't going to get anywhere fast with everyone sticking to the same character as before, myself included.

It turned out a no lynch game would have lost us a day so from now, it's going to be pretty much firing in the dark...

mod:votecount

 

[Levin]

I can give you a vote count.. it's rather easy.

Tohtori: 1 (Levin)
Levin: 1 (Tohtori)
Kirennia: 1 (Uara)

 

[Levin]

I said i dislike the tiptoeing, too careful, Uara isn't afraid to vote, you are completely.

Tohtori, if i was mafia and wanted to tiptoe why the heck would i do it openly and try to get a discussion going? It's rather clear that staying silent is the best tiptoeing tactic in these games.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tohtori, if i was mafia and wanted to tiptoe why the heck would i do it openly and try to get a discussion going? It's rather clear that staying silent is the best tiptoeing tactic in these games.

Exactly because of that.

A: To deny tiptoeing with "open action".
B: To get kirennia hung by "silently" pointing a finger that way.

If you look at it from a mafia perspective, it makes sense.

 

[Levin]

Exactly because of that.

A: To deny tiptoeing with "open action".
B: To get kirennia hung by "silently" pointing a finger that way.

If you look at it from a mafia perspective, it makes sense.

A: I don't deny tiptoeing and i don't see why you're so against being careful at this stage of the game. We got zero help from the cop, and we don't have a lot of, if any, solid facts at all to go on here. Do you think we should just close our eyes, pick someone, and hope for the best then? Care to explain why? We haven't even heard everyone since the morning and we found ECA killed. You're too quick to vote on me, and so yes I vote straight back on you as i think you're fishy.
B: I was wondering if he had anything to say. He did and explained his thinking, and frankly i can understand his quiet tactic. It tends to keep you out of the aggro zone. In every game I keep thinking "hey, I'll try that next game" but then I never do because i just cant help talking. Can't blame them though - it's scary to stick your head out here.

 

[Iceforge]

VoteCount
Day 3

Levin - 1 - (Old.Tohtori)
Old.Tohtori - 1 - (Levin)
Kirennia - 1 - (Uara)

Not Voted Yet: 2 (Kirennia, Ch3tan)

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

 

[old.Tohtori]

A: I don't deny tiptoeing and i don't see why you're so against being careful at this stage of the game. We got zero help from the cop, and we don't have a lot of, if any, solid facts at all to go on here. Do you think we should just close our eyes, pick someone, and hope for the best then? Care to explain why? We haven't even heard everyone since the morning and we found ECA killed. You're too quick to vote on me, and so yes I vote straight back on you as i think you're fishy.
B: I was wondering if he had anything to say. He did and explained his thinking, and frankly i can understand his quiet tactic. It tends to keep you out of the aggro zone. In every game I keep thinking "hey, I'll try that next game" but then I never do because i just cant help talking. Can't blame them though - it's scary to stick your head out here.

And we're back to "too quick voting".

First you say i shoot from the hip, then that i was right in your tiptoeing, then say i pick at random, then i'm just fishy.

We've voted off inactives, actives, suspicious, non suspicious, but now i'm voting for what feels like the best bet in my mind. You're not acting like a doc, and you're acting more like a mafia then a townie. Hensh, tag, you're it.

Just common sherlock holmes style.

But, people can hang me too, go ahead, then hang levin tomorrow when you ee me as innocent. Eitehr way, i'm betting the town wins either way.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm first to admit that i might be wrong about you levin, but, as said, best bet in MY mind from all I see.

Only thing i know for sure is my own role.

 

[Ch3tan]

Oh look its toht v levin round 23746584548.

Let me know when the dust settles and some valid points are being raised rather that you two reading whatever you wish to see in each others posts.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh look its toht v levin round 23746584548.

Let me know when the dust settles and some valid points are being raised rather that you two reading whatever you wish to see in each others posts.

Oh look, it's ch3tan with "i don't know anything to say so i'll just insult everyone".

How about YOU raise atleast ONE point and not just sit there, point fingers and go "oh look".

Maybe you're the mafia for keeping the aggro up all the time.

Actually, even if not, atleast i'd rather live with scum then a scum citizen.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Actually yeah, check back a few days from the start and ch3tan has contributed sh*t all, stirred plenty up and stayed in the backlines all the time, only to peek in with "oh look" comments.

Unvote

Vote: ch3tan.

Either way, you're not needed here.

 

[kirennia]

Actually, even if not, atleast i'd rather live with scum then a scum citizen.

I'm pretty certain you don't mean this in a deliberately harsh way but to be honest mate, if you said something like this to me, I wouldn't be best happy...

I'm still at a loss as to who to vote for. It's sort of got to the stage now whereby I'm just going to put the third vote on anyone to get the ball rolling again; this is dragging

 

[Levin]

Overall I think people should think about how they say things in these games. I don't think Tohtori meant his "scum citizen" comment as personal though but more a comment towards a certain playstyle?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Why? I did mean it just like that. Look at ch3tans behaviour on the whole of time here and you'll see what i mean.

It may not be "popular" or "careful" to say it, but i meant it, and if i get hanged for it, so be it.

But i'm not gonna start being overcautious now especially since, after reading the WHOLE thread from all peoples views left, ch3tan is just the worst of worst.

 

[Levin]

Tohtori, i meant.. you say these things in the spirit of the game, right? Not as a personal attack behind the player behind the screen? Ch3tan has his playstyle, but that's really all you can comment on since you don't know him as a person.

In short, being rude by attacking playstyle is ok in my book, but not if it's meant to attack the player himself.

Anyways, let's get back to the game. I'm going to read through things again as soon as I get home and see if i might change my vote.

 

[Ch3tan]

Oh look, it's ch3tan with "i don't know anything to say so i'll just insult everyone".

How about YOU raise atleast ONE point and not just sit there, point fingers and go "oh look".

Maybe you're the mafia for keeping the aggro up all the time.

Actually, even if not, atleast i'd rather live with scum then a scum citizen.

really? I thought you just ignore points if they don't fit in with your view, and railroad over them by posting lots and lots and hoping people do not go back and read things.

I'm at a loss in terms of the game, you can hang me if you wish, it will gain you nothing. Very little to go on, and I feel it will be a random kill again today -if we can decide on someone to kill that is.

The only though I have is:

Yeah, 7 alive, my bad...

Vote count
Day 2

Golena - 4 - (Levin, Uara, Ch3tan, Old.Tohtori)

Not Voted: 3 (Kirennia, ECA, Golena)

With 7 alive, it took 4 to reach a lynch!

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Now Kir was laying low, and ECA we know was innocent as was Gol. I would discount Kir as mafia as he did not vote Gol off quickly. I think it would be too easy an oppurtunity to miss as mafia.

Which in my books leaves myself, levin, toht and Uara as the only viable suspects.

 

[old.Tohtori]

really? I thought you just ignore points if they don't fit in with your view, and railroad over them by posting lots and lots and hoping people do not go back and read things.

Guess we both read too much into things, and when we do that, we're left with a brutal judgement. Who knows, 'cause i agree with you on the "being lost" part.

Your "not mafia" on kirennia is valid, even if every thing ahs undertones like "maybe ch3tan is getting an ally for later on", or "maybe kirennia counted on this", but it is valid still.

Uara, in my books, isn't guilty as he's not too careful and dares to vote. Could be a foolish mafia way too, but i doubt it. He acts almost too much like a mafia.

So that leaves me with you and Levin(if you look at it from my viewpoint) and as such, i'm hoping both would show some pro/cons off innocence/not guilty.

Unvote for now.

 

[Uara]

Now Kir was laying low, and ECA we know was innocent as was Gol. I would discount Kir as mafia as he did not vote Gol off quickly. I think it would be too easy an oppurtunity to miss as mafia.

Which in my books leaves myself, levin, toht and Uara as the only viable suspects.

hmmmmm on second thoughts, I think what you say makes a lot of sense. Kir could have taken advantage of our action against Golena and it would not have been suspicious at all as we were all going against him. So if we discount Kirennia then, it comes down to it either being Toht,Ch3t or Levin. Whilst im staring at random data about printers I shall also have a bit of re-read on some posts and try to gain some insight.

Unvote

 

[Levin]

I've read through the whole damn thing again.. and my conclusion is - we're good at yapping at eachother! I once again get the feeling that the talkative people end up on eachother's throats because they are the only ones offering anything up to investigate and argue about.

We saw how quiet Rubric were, and he was mafia! Even if he had some problem with the computer or whatever, he was still quiet before that too. That blew away the last sympathy I had for the "quiet people are innocent" argument. Also, Kirennia has been able to sail along smoothly here with only Uara looking at him, and since he didn't vote to hang an innocent he's all clear, especially since all the other non-voters are now dead? I don't think it's that easy.

I admit I don't have much, just a feeling. All I have on everyone else is just our endless quabbling and one guy staying out of it. So in the old classical "who does not fit in" tradition, i'll vote that way.

Unvote: Tohtori
Vote: Kirennia

 

[Ch3tan]

I agree with your theory levin, I was going on a big assumption when I said he is probably innocent. However, you do realise that it does some what put the spotlight on yourself?

 

[Levin]

Yes, I do realize. But I want us to get somewhere too, and I feel more secure in voting after having read everything through again.