Off-topic mafia #11 Pie7+2

[old.Tohtori]

And speaking of spin....

Toht, please show me these "angry posts"

Also please explain how you missed me say this

I did not say at any point that I do not find you suspicious, or that I am more supicous of Levin than you.

If we were playing a card game right now, I would be shouting "bullshit" at you.

Oh come on, i meant your rabble rabble with Levin on page 3 or so.

And yes, that's exactly what i meant. You really don't have a reason to vote for me, but seem to suspect "spinning" on levin, yet keep the vote.

It all makes seem like you poke eachother, but avoid voting eachother, and quickly point out someone else when you're suspected.

 

[Ch3tan]

No no toht, thats why I voted on you in the first place. You and Levin seemed to have a friendly rivalry.

You are twisting my quote. I have no more or less against Levin than you, so I see no reason to switch.

Also, I asked you to quote my angry comments if you are going to comment on them, so please do. Or is it that you cannot actually find any? I do not remember making any, that is for certain.


Well Toht, you nearly made me doubt myself, so I went and checked.

With those talents of spin have you ever considered a career in politics?

You praise me with more foresight than was in my post, there is no trap, it is simple. I do not like the way you and toht have acted so far. I agree with toht about Gol too, but out of the three of you toht looks the more likely.

It's almost like a playground in this town, what with all the swings and roundabouts.

Those are the only two posts I made after voting for you.

Please tell me where my anger is.

Also please notice that I say you are more likely to be suspicous than Levin in the quote above.

Really toht, do keep up. Or at least try to quote the truth if you are going to make subtle accusations.

 

[Ch3tan]

Oh and my vote sticks by the way, I really do not appreciate people trying to take things out of context to back their flawed arguments. That stinks of a tactic only mafia would use.

 

[Olgaline]

Mod: Prod Rubric

Vote: Rubric

 

[old.Tohtori]

No no toht, thats why I voted on you in the first place. You and Levin seemed to have a friendly rivalry.

You are twisting my quote. I have no more or less against Levin than you, so I see no reason to switch.

Also, I asked you to quote my angry comments if you are going to comment on them, so please do. Or is it that you cannot actually find any? I do not remember making any, that is for certain.

I'm not trying to say it has anything to do with voting me. Get that clear.

I'm saying that since you said you don't have a reason to vote for me, or anyone, yet answer levin(like you posted above), it seems suspicious to me.

You going so zealot over it ain't hellping my suspicion, especially since Levin strees clear of it completely.

I'm not twisting anything, you simply misunderstood what i said. You SEEM to be suspecting Levin more, yet keep the vote you abse on equal suspicion on me and levin. that's suspicion +1 towards levin, yet you don't vote as you say.

Especially interesting that you're so hellbent in making me look bad after i vote for levin, agian, simply fortifies MY OWN suspicions.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And about "not appreciating", well, look at yourself.

I know it's ahrd to see it in yourself, but it's quite obvious.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And there was nothing subtle about it. I think you and levin are mafia and i'm sticking to it "until".

 

[Ch3tan]

I'm not twisting anything, you simply misunderstood what i said. You SEEM to be suspecting Levin more, yet keep the vote you abse on equal suspicion on me and levin. that's suspicion +1 towards levin, yet you don't vote as you say.

Especially interesting that you're so hellbent in making me look bad after i vote for levin, agian, simply fortifies MY OWN suspicions.

No Toht, let me get the quote for you again since you seem to have missed it (again).

With those talents of spin have you ever considered a career in politics?

You praise me with more foresight than was in my post, there is no trap, it is simple. I do not like the way you and toht have acted so far. I agree with toht about Gol too, but out of the three of you toht looks the more likely.

Now this is my first say on the matter, how does this SEEM I am finding Levin more suspiscous when I clearly say you are more likely?

Nothing has really come to light since the first votes against Levin/Toht/kirennia/uara.

Everyone seems to be focusing on them, but nothing of any value has come around. I can't see any reason to change my vote from Toht right now, but then I can see very little reason to vote for him or anyone else right now either.

This is my next say on the matter, I saw no new info since my original votes. Nothing has changed toht, you are still the most suspicous in my eyes.

I am not hellbent on making you look bad, yet you seem to give anyone wanting to ample ammunition. Try the truth next time, it's much harder to argue against.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ngh...why do you keep doing that?

I read your post, i know what you said, and i stated how i find it suspicious as i, ME, saw it, for MY vote.

It's not a witchhunt towards you, simply my reasoning for suspecting you, especially with the added things i've said about you two seeming to work together, but you're sure making it seem like it is towards me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You sem to call me on twisting, lying, whatever, yet i've done nothing of these and you misquote, take things out of context etc all the time.

 

[Golena]

Unvote Rubric
Vote ECA

So far today he's pretty much remained at ground zero, just under radar suspicion but popping in with a sentance now and then to not remain completely absent.

He was also very quick to dismiss a no lynch which isn't surprising since he didn't have any one looking in his direction. If I was mafia and everyone was hunting down an innocent I would want to get rid of no lynch suggestions quickly as well.

 

[ECA]

So you vote for me for being less quiet than rubric? Odd

 

[Olgaline]

Unvote: Rubric

Having ponderd over it for a couple hours,
I dont really see any need to vote rubric.

- If he keeps up being inactive he'll be mod killed
- if he is mafia and his activity suddenly jumps during "night time to active" well ....
- if he stays away and quiet, they loose the night choice "kill/block" depending on role and risk a mod kill ontop. if he acts suspeciousely hopefully the cop will pay attention and check him out, if he stays inactive, he'll be delt with by the mod.

and ECA,
Rubric isnt being quiet, he's being inactive fullstop.
he hasnt visited this humble town that is FH since the 28'th

 

[Levin]

BUT, i'm more concerned that Levin is so pasifistic about ch3tan and votes for Uara, who, in all reason, hasn't even been a bit towards Levins hanging.

Excuse me?? Uara only happened to vote for me based on what I saw as flimsy arguments. How in the hell is that NOT being towards my hanging?? Tohtori, really... please get your facts right? Also, you may have noticed that i unvoted Uara a good while back and would probably have voted Rubric by now if it wasn't for Olga saying he's simply not been on the forums and might get mod killed anyway. Sure Ch3tan was suspicious of me, but I don't vote on people for being suspicious. He just happened to pick up on our exchange on the first page and so he poked us about it. I poked back, but I don't believe he's mafia just because of that. I do tend to vote on people who get their facts wrong though.

Then i have Levin, who doesn't even care for ch3tans accusations and votes for someone completely different.

So because I don't vote for who you want me to vote on, you think i'm mafia. Ok. Let me just say this: In the end I will vote on who i think is mafia. In between i may spread votes to dig up information.

Tohtori, you are now doing what you are accusing others of. You are arguing wildly with Ch3tan and yet keeping your vote on me. Sounds familiar? Unlike you, however, i don't vote for you just because such behavior. What I will do though, is vote for you for getting facts so wrong that it just has to be suspicious.

Vote: Tohtori

 

[old.Tohtori]

Excuse me?? Uara only happened to vote for me based on what I saw as flimsy arguments. How in the hell is that NOT being towards my hanging?? Tohtori, really... please get your facts right? Also, you may have noticed that i unvoted Uara a good while back and would probably have voted Rubric by now if it wasn't for Olga saying he's simply not been on the forums and might get mod killed anyway. Sure Ch3tan was suspicious of me, but I don't vote on people for being suspicious. He just happened to pick up on our exchange on the first page and so he poked us about it. I poked back, but I don't believe he's mafia just because of that. I do tend to vote on people who get their facts wrong though.

Thanks for clearing that up, simply didn't notice that, no need to get so testy about it.

So because I don't vote for who you want me to vote on, you think i'm mafia. Ok. Let me just say this: In the end I will vote on who i think is mafia. In between i may spread votes to dig up information.

Tohtori, you are now doing what you are accusing others of. You are arguing wildly with Ch3tan and yet keeping your vote on me. Sounds familiar? Unlike you, however, i don't vote for you just because such behavior. What I will do though, is vote for you for getting facts so wrong that it just has to be suspicious.

Vote: Tohtori

Nothing to do with "voting for who I want yo to vote", i want you to vote as YOU want to vote. Rather simple. You trying to twist it to sound like that is silly, and keeps my vote on you even firmer.

I'm not arguing wildly with ch3tan, i'm explaining my point and reasons to ch3tan, there's a difference.

Getting facts straight? Well, there's no facts, there's my opinions on how i saw things. That's why i say them, so that you can explain them, but isntead you call me a liar and "getting my facts" inaccurate.

Vote most definitely stays.

 

[Levin]

Thanks for clearing that up, simply didn't notice that, no need to get so testy about it.

Sure, no need.. you were only trying to get me hung based on false info. No need to get testy... My vote definately stays too.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Sure, no need.. you were only trying to get me hung based on false info. No need to get testy... My vote definately stays too.

I'm not trying to get you hung, i'm doing exactly what YOU said(i think?) that we should vote for who we think is guilty.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oris that rule only applicable if it's not you?

You're voting me because i got confused on some issues or got some things wrong, fine, i'm guilty of that. Just let the people hang you come next day.

 

[Levin]

I'm not trying to get you hung, i'm doing exactly what YOU said(i think?) that we should vote for who we think is guilty.

If you are voting for me because you think i am guilty, aren't you trying to get me hung? Or are you voting for me to dig out information?

Don't beat around the bush. If you think someone is guilty and vote for them, don't you want to get them hung?? I do! Why would you assume I didn't? You're good at putting words in people's mouths.

 

[old.Tohtori]

If you are voting for me because you think i am guilty, aren't you trying to get me hung? Or are you voting for me to dig out information?

Don't beat around the bush. If you think someone is guilty and vote for them, don't you want to get them hung?? I do! Why would you assume I didn't? You're good at putting words in people's mouths.

And you're good at doing what you preach about.

I'm not putting words anywhere.

I'm oting for the people i think are guilty, fair and simple, no tactic, no nothing, just voting and this time keeping my vote.

Both you and ch3tan, if people read up, have been blaming me for everything, yet do the exact same things you claim i do.

You do work well together.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And nicely done, by both, in avoiding all the things i've said that are even slightly harder to answer with the basic "you twist/lie/don't have facts" claims.

And no i'm not gonna repeat them and yes, i'm done with the discussino. Peolpe can vote for who they like, i have my suspects for the day and unless something drastic happens, i'm sticking to it.

 

[Levin]

Agreed Tohtori, I don't think we need to say more on this. People can read up and decide for themselves what they think.

 

[ECA]

unboat uara
vote tohtari

Dont like your fake confusion bullshit.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Only thing i missed is the reasons between uara and levin, there's no other confusion.

But, vote as you will, you'll be hanging an innocent.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Atleast this town will get some info on my death instead of hanging some random.

 

[Uara]

Wooo I've been unboated I don't know what that means but i've never been a fan of boats in the first place, far too much rocking about and people being sick.

[quote =Tohtori]I'm not trying to get you hung, i'm doing exactly what YOU said(i think?) that we should vote for who we think is guilty.[/quote] Yeah me and Levin came to agree on that yesterday I think. Its the best way to go about things, tactical voting to try and get information out of that people is all well and good, but if something goes tits up you could end up with a dead innocent on your hands especially if u never believed they were a guilty in the first place.

Yes I know the same thing can be said if the person you believe is guilty is actually innocent, but you've got to stick with your convictions. Someone who chops and changes all the time is potentially someone who is trying to get rid of someone quickly and if the occasion warrents it, could look mighty suspicious.

 

[Uara]

buggered up that quote, but anyhoo you kno what i mean!

 

[Golena]

So you vote for me for being less quiet than rubric? Odd

I've got a feeling that Rubric is going to be dealt with in ways that don't require me to vote him off today. If he doesn't that tells me enough about him to form an opinion about him tommorow.

You have been here reading however yet haven't really got involved in anyway in any of the discussions. Just the odd sentance here and there to avoid being completely absent. That's more calculated in my eyes than complete silence. I'm here saying enough so someone doesn't bring up my absense, but without actually saying enough to make anyone look at me.

Besides, what's the point in voting for someone that simply isn't participating in any form in the game. I might as well vote for Will as vote for Rubric at the moment.

 

[kirennia]

No Lynch is crap, because it denies us information - the sole currency on which we can discover the mafia with except getting lucky.

But it's not the sole way as a cop finding out peoples innocence is much better.

I've gotta go out for a few hours in a bit but I'll try and draw up all scenario percentages when I get back. I just can't beleive a strategy with a massively larger percentage chance to win is being overlooked in every village despite it's obvious benefits.

As far as I've seen these village votes, the random accusations on the first day have never been about tripping people up into admission; in fact, have we ever in these previous 10 games found a mafia member in the first day? Instead it ends up being random accusations voting for someone who has annoyed you in their line of questioning... just like I feel is about to happen to Tohtori leaving us in a much worse situation for tomorrow. He might well be guilty but I still see it currently as a 2/8 chance, the same as I see everyonelse, no higher as it's just random speculation.

If I played by these rules I'd either be voting for ECA or Rubric as I see them as the most dangerous coming in at pinacle points of each village day casting votes with one liners but I wont... purely because it's just something which annoys me a little which isn't basis for voting on someone.

If people decide once again to ignore the best percentage way of playing, fair enough, I'll start voting again based on who seems the most blasé over alternate strategies to random voting which, as proven in more mafia wins then townie wins in the past, only benefits the mafia.

Also note, if we hang an innocent today (2/9 chance) then we've just lost this some 70% chance of winning right from the word go. And with people saying finding 2 townies wouldn't help us, think of the end game when there are only a few people left in the game. Having two innocents announced at the beginning of day 3 with 7 people left means the doc can start protecting the cop, the mafia will still have to find the doc first to shut up the cop and as soon as we find just one mafia member or the cop finds another innocent, we have an unfaltered way of winning. The mafia wouldn't even have the chance to come out and challenge the cops role because if they do, even if the cop dies, they'll be next on the chopping block leaving 2 innocents announced, only 1 mafia member left and no chance of them winning.

Sorry if I seem a little forced at the moment, I just can't beleive random accusations are getting pages of thoughts yet people are just ignoring our best chance to win we've had in any game so far...

 

[Ch3tan]

ONe point on Rubric, slightly OOC. He could have turned his profile on to invisible mode on the 28th. His last post or appearance date would show his last activity, but he could be browsing and being silent as a tactic. We might leave it to Iceforge to modkill him, but he may have answered Iceforge's pm's and leave it till the last to be seen as active.

If that is the case and he is not modkilled, I see no reason for us all not to mass lynch him when he returns.