Nub question about savage h2h

[Efour]

Do the H2H weapons follow the same principles as DW LA CD ?

Ie: slow in main hand and a fast in the off hand ? Taking the average speed of the 2 to calculate the swing time?

Or do they not follow that rule? only using the Mainhand to do the swing time.

Basically whats better....

a. 2 of the slowest weapons i can find
b. Mainhand Slow Offhand fast
c. Offhand fast Mainhand slow
d. Fastest weapons i can get my hands on

When i used to play many moons ago the swing cap was 1.5s i think? Has this changed at all Did it get a nerfing cos 2h savages where pwning too much ?

anyway... cheers for the help

 

[Chimaira]

I cant answer your question since im unsure. A rr7 savage in guild said it do but hes from spain and not very good at enlish so that can be either way

What I do know is you got a 39% haste shout and if you run with healers you got celerity. there is no way in hell you wont hit the swing cap of 1.5 sec whatever claws you are using

Regards

 

[Elitestoner]

both slow as possible (ie 4.4 speed sally claws)

 

[Efour]

Im playing on classic so i dont get any of these salamander tail thingums.

ive got the Chump mainhand 4.4spd

any suggestion from the top of your head for the off hand ?

I got a POS darkspire 3.3spd thing it was the slowest i could find on the broker l

thanks for the answers.

 

[Elitestoner]

how about crafted? cba to look now but surely there are fairly slow crafted ones

 

[Efour]

yeah just looked 4.0spd something greeve thrust damage tho

yeah cba ill check tommorow

thx and goodnight

 

[Nate]

how do savages fare in classic? as there a buff class i guess pretty well? oh yeh and are u efour from mid pryd? in the many mooons ago?

 

[Melachi]

H2H does work like rest, that you can get a haste bonus from slow mainhand faster offhand.

But as said allready with your haste buff your gonna be swinging close to cap anyway, so go with the crafted 4spd off hand imo.

Oh and Thrust damage is ok, all hibs neutral and alb chain/studded wearers are weak to it



Oh and nate, it is the same Efour

 

[Heta]

Do the H2H weapons follow the same principles as DW LA CD

First off all, LA use a artificial haste that you get from using slow main hand and fast off hand

DW and CD doesnt use that, so no point for DW and CD to use slow main hand and fast off hand.

 

[Chimaira]

First off all, LA use a artificial haste that you get from using slow main hand and fast off hand

DW and CD doesnt use that, so no point for DW and CD to use slow main hand and fast off hand.

WRONG

LA and CD/DW is exactly the same thing only thing that is difference is that LA swings every run where as DW/CD has a chance depending on spec to swing offhand. Then since mid has celerity there is zero point to use a fast offhander for a LA user in group. Where as a Merc/BM using battler/malice with 250 qui+10% toa haste+druid/theurg haste can tops get 1.8 sec swing speed.


Also Higher LA spec raises mainhand damage on SB/Bers If Im not all mistaken there. Where as CD/DW damage is your base unstyled damage(offhandish)

 

[Heta]

ok, if I am wrong CD/DW have been changed cause it wasnt before

 

[Chimaira]

ok, if I am wrong CD/DW have been changed cause it wasnt before

It has always been using the same haste effect LA uses only difference is CD/DW doesnt land every hit so you dont have perma effect.

Its been like that all the time. Im not quite sure what you are talking bout

 

[Ogen]

It has always been using the same haste effect LA uses only difference is CD/DW doesnt land every hit so you dont have perma effect.

Its been like that all the time. Im not quite sure what you are talking bout

LA offhand lands every hit? o0 Why?

 

[Heta]

It has always been using the same haste effect LA uses only difference is CD/DW doesnt land every hit so you dont have perma effect.

Its been like that all the time. Im not quite sure what you are talking bout

... since when does LA land every hit?

sure you might swing each time, but far from land

 

[Osri]

And DW atleast and suppose CD has had since early days that haste effect too when both hands swing...did tests with my gimpfil 2-3 years ago which showed it.

LA is uber so it "lands" hits all time

 

[Ogen]

So, CD / DW offhand dosent swing all the time? And LA does?
Notice swing dosent mean it lands. But it misses atleast. I know for sure CD dosent swing with offhand every time. Wouldnt it be unbalancing to the game of LA does?

 

[Heta]

And DW atleast and suppose CD has had since early days that haste effect too when both hands swing...did tests with my gimpfil 2-3 years ago which showed it.

LA is uber so it "lands" hits all time

kk, guess I had gotten it wrong then

(was going after year old memories aswell!)

 

[popa]

yeah just looked 4.0spd something greeve thrust damage tho

and what type of dmg u wanna use ? are u troll savage
couse some ppl say that the thrust dmg is pased on str/dex and if u are a koby is perfect

 

[Heta]

So, CD / DW offhand dosent swing all the time? And LA does?
Notice swing dosent mean it lands. But it misses atleast. I know for sure CD dosent swing with offhand every time. Wouldnt it be unbalancing to the game of LA does?

so you want all the classes in the game to have the same abilitys to not be unbalanced?

 

[Heta]

and what type of dmg u wanna use ? are u troll savage
couse some ppl say that the thrust dmg is pased on str/dex and if u are a koby is perfect

even if its str/dex a troll will get higher WS then a Kobold, just look up the numbers and do the math

 

[popa]

even if its str/dex a troll will get higher WS then a Kobold, just look up the numbers and do the math

ya but look what se say " . . . . "

 

[Henrock]

H2h are dex/str based afaik, regardless of if you use slash or thrust weaps.

 

[Karl]

H2h are dex/str based afaik, regardless of if you use slash or thrust weaps.

Correct.


With regards to the above posterds DW/CD and LA all work out pretty much the same at the end of the day...

Swing everytime at 50% Damage.... (LA)
Or swing 50% of the time at full Damage.... (DW + CD)

The damge total etc works out pretty much the same.

I suppose for interupt purposes / and if your using a damage add buff LA would be better.

 

[orbin]

Iirc LA has base damage penalty for swingin each time, for example LA do 250 mainhand while CD/DW do 350 mainhand. The americans at the VN says that it will even out after around 10 swings. So if its wasn't for vendo mode BMs and Mercs would have higher frontload, especially since they have flurry too.


/Gashemi

 

[Karl]

No its just this.... no damage reduction on main hand im 99% certain.

Swing everytime at 50% Damage (on offhand).... (LA)
Or swing 50% of the time at full Damage (on offhand).... (DW + CD)

 

[Hekate]

No its just this.... no damage reduction on main hand im 99% certain.

Swing everytime at 50% Damage (on offhand).... (LA)
Or swing 50% of the time at full Damage (on offhand).... (DW + CD)

Wrong. If you dont know, dont post. Guessing only adds to the confusion.

Try it yourself.
Hit with mainhand and LA equiped.
Hit with mainhand and no LA.
Notice the difference.

 

[Heta]

Wrong. If you dont know, dont post. Guessing only adds to the confusion.

Try it yourself.
Hit with mainhand and LA equiped.
Hit with mainhand and no LA.
Notice the difference.

how can you know how much LA does if you dont have a LA in the hand?

hes saying the LA is going on 50% dmg, not the main hand

 

[Hekate]

I'm talking about MH dmg reduction.

how can you know how much LA does if you dont have a LA in the hand?

hes saying the LA is going on 50% dmg, not the main hand

Originally Posted by Karl
No its just this.... no damage reduction on main hand im 99% certain.

 

[Heta]

noone is saying there is a damage reduction on the main hand, its the off hand that is going on 50% of its dmg

 

[noblok]

noone is saying there is a damage reduction on the main hand, its the off hand that is going on 50% of its dmg

Hekate is saying there is a mainhand damage reduction and I'm quite certain that (s)he's correct.