not that I'd actually ever be serious about anything...

[Testin da Cable]

but this stuff is disturbing my daily ritual reading of diverse webcomics and kicking servers about. I fear the 'war of the flea' that, to me, looms out of the future like an inevitable wall. I fear that idiocy on all fronts is going to cause the shit to hit the fan in a major fashion. incidentally, I can't help but wonder what a AGM-114 missile costs and how many people you could feed or house for that amount.



:/

 

[xane]

Originally posted by Testin da Cable
I can't help but wonder what a AGM-114 missile costs and how many people you could feed or house for that amount.

America can afford to purchase missiles and feed people, however, you have to question the sanity of refusing food when you are starving.

 

[~YuckFou~]

Re: Re: not that I'd actually ever be serious about anything...

Originally posted by xane


America can afford to purchase missiles and feed people, however, you have to question the sanity of refusing food when you are starving.

And yet they will drink brown water out of pools that animals piss in.

 

[legendario]

I am the god of "HELLFIRE" and I bring you.....

4 dead Al-quaeda suspects

 

[legendario]

Re: Re: not that I'd actually ever be serious about anything...

Originally posted by xane


America can afford to purchase missiles and feed people, however, you have to question the sanity of refusing food when you are starving.

They are being used as guinea pigs for the testing of GM crops ffs.

Well that's what a paranoid conspiracy theorist would think :/

 

[Testin da Cable]

Re: Re: not that I'd actually ever be serious about anything...

Originally posted by xane


America can afford to purchase missiles and feed people, however, you have to question the sanity of refusing food when you are starving.

ooh that's a good topic for discussion. would you choose to starve rather than eat food that may cause you to grow extra limbs in 20 years or so?

and Yuck, so? we drink other peoples purified wee and dump untold toxins into our natural watersupplies :/

 

[dysfunction]

I would choose to eat rather than starve...

And besides a few extra limbs would be quite useful!!

 

[Testin da Cable]

it would be a rather hefty test of character.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Testin da Cable
but this stuff is disturbing my daily ritual reading of diverse webcomics and kicking servers about. I fear the 'war of the flea' that, to me, looms out of the future like an inevitable wall. I fear that idiocy on all fronts is going to cause the shit to hit the fan in a major fashion. incidentally, I can't help but wonder what a AGM-114 missile costs and how many people you could feed or house for that amount.
:/

*Hint* It's been going on for years. Just because CNN has started to report it, doesn't make it a bigger issue.

 

[xane]

Returning to your original point though TdC, the cost of the missile is largely irrelevant. The days are over when your mother scolded you over your wasted dinner being able to feed an entire african village for a year, we have plenty of food in the world just that we still have the politics, bureaucracy and ignorance to prevent it getting to the starving mouths.

America might have a huge military budget, and, even without the $3,000 spanners, it spends a vast amount on equipment designed to kill people. However, America still manages to feed, if not overfeed, its citizens and can even spare large amounts for other countries.

 

[Testin da Cable]

I'm aware it's been going on for years Scooba. for a fact it's been going on since the dawn of time. I get like this every now and then when the state of the world disgusts me. The events I viewed on television last night caused it to come to the forefront of my thinking. Perhaps there is some good to mediacoverage after all no?

 

[Testin da Cable]

Originally posted by xane

we still have the politics, bureaucracy and ignorance to prevent it getting to the starving mouths.

yes. that's what I find the most shitty if you will. we can manage to deliver killer hardware to within 5 meters of a given target but that same person could die of starvation before someone even began to give a damn.

 

[~YuckFou~]

Re: Re: Re: not that I'd actually ever be serious about anything...

Originally posted by Testin da Cable
and Yuck, so? we drink other peoples purified wee and dump untold toxins into our natural watersupplies :/

Purified, thats the difference.

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by Testin da Cable
I'm aware it's been going on for years Scooba. for a fact it's been going on since the dawn of time.

Those with power always abuse it. It just so happens that America is not only powerful but is also stupid & that makes it dangerous.

 

[xane]

Originally posted by MYstIC G
Those with power always abuse it. It just so happens that America is not only powerful but is also stupid & that makes it dangerous.

Why single out America ? There are plenty of countries ahead of it on the "stupid and dangerous" list. Take the situation I mentioned at the start, who is the more "stupid" ? America for offering food to the starving or Zambia for refusing it ?

Zambia may not have a nuclear bomb or a large army, but its president is "dangerous" enough to cause long term suffering and death for 2.5 million people, for purely political reasons.

 

[Lester]

"US officials deny that there is any risk involved with GM food and point out that it is eaten every day by millions of Americans."

mmmmmmm.. this proves what, exactly? That they are gullible, fat and thick?

And I personally would eat GM food if I was starving, but I wouldn't if I wasn't. The difference is that I am making an informed decision.

 

[man like tong]

Firstly I don't see why you can't understand why nations like zambia refuse GM crops, I refuse GM crops. Most countries would if forced to choose live with piss for water if it ment not be added to USA's evergrowing book of "people that owe us stuff". first its GM foods next its a military base, next USA are digging for oil or some other resouce, fuck that.

Originally posted by xane
Why single out America ? There are plenty of countries ahead of it on the "stupid and dangerous" list.

No there isn't. Most places in the world that are part of the UN have the policy that if the country next to you doesn't see you as a threat then you are not. USA see's everyone as a threat until they sign somthing saying they are not.

America (or maybe just the Bush admin) in my humble media shuning opinion can be deemed as a threat to everyone because it has this seemingly expendable unlimited supply of troops. You only have to look at the way it delt with afghanistan to see they are incapable of stopping their spurs from jingling and jangling at the sniff of a bit of oil, or being made to look weak to the rest of the worlds powers.

Bush wants Iraq because its a "real threat" apparently, but its neigbouring countries Iran, turkey, saudi, syria and even kuwait have expressed to the UN that it doesn't see iraq as a threat anymore. I'm not Anti USA, I live on American Culture damnit, but since 9/11 a real panic has spread around the western world almost an urgency, Don't panic kids, its only politics.

Just remeber that eventually all teh superpowers topple (cough econmic problems cough).... Bring on the united states of europe I say.

 

[Testin da Cable]

how informed would/can that be lester?


now: it's ok, go ahead eat. enjoy!
future: heh causes cancer. whoops, sorry. hey, you didn't really eat that did you?


I know, I know. no more coffee for me today

 

[Lester]

Originally posted by Testin da Cable
how informed would/can that be lester?


now: it's ok, go ahead eat. enjoy!
future: heh causes cancer. whoops, sorry. hey, you didn't really eat that did you?


I know, I know. no more coffee for me today

I kno m8 but I'm informed enough to know that I "don't know" and that's what stops me from eating it (knowingly anyway).

Did that make sense?

What's worse is that the powers that be don't know ( or don't seem to ). I wouldn't trust any government to do what's in the best interests of the public and I certainly wouldn't put it past this one to experiment with the proles. I mean, like they give a fuck.

 

[dysfunction]

The sad thing is even though it gets reported nothing will get done about it.

Things only get done if governments (and big business' that influence governements) feel its in their best interest to do so...ie will it be beneficial to them in money terms...

People having demonstrations and things against poluting the world and saving starving people etc dont really have any effect...

 

[Sir Frizz]

Originally posted by man like tong
Firstly I don't see why you can't understand why nations like zambia refuse GM crops, I refuse GM crops. Most countries would if forced to choose live with piss for water if it ment not be added to USA's evergrowing book of "people that owe us stuff". first its GM foods next its a military base, next USA are digging for oil or some other resouce, fuck that.

Just remember that eventually all teh superpowers topple (cough economic problems cough).... Bring on the united states of europe I say.

Chalk one up for man like tong!

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by man like tong
Just remeber that eventually all teh superpowers topple (cough econmic problems cough).... Bring on the united states of europe I say.

Get real. Would you really want a superpower heavily dominated by the French ???

"Non - we will not fight today until les british give plus de l'argent to our farmeurs. Their children need wine !!!"

*burn sheep*

 

[Testin da Cable]

heh non, non marie, it can never be!

 

[xane]

Originally posted by man like tong
Firstly I don't see why you can't understand why nations like zambia refuse GM crops, I refuse GM crops. Most countries would if forced to choose live with piss for water if it ment not be added to USA's evergrowing book of "people that owe us stuff". first its GM foods next its a military base, next USA are digging for oil or some other resouce, fuck that.

Er, you realise this food was donated as part of a WHO programme ?

 

[prime1]

The point that Americans eat it is totally valid in this case, in the US they grow GM food, they have been pumping their livestock full of growth hormones for decades. They have an abundance of GM food, and very little (comparatively) non Gm, so it is unrealistic to expect them to redesign/restart their own agriculture system, that is working very well for them, jsut so they can give food to someone else.


There is no evidence that GM foods causes any harm what so ever, like it or not you have already eaten it, and people have been eating it for many years, animals have been eating it for longer.

The decision of the Zambian givernment is frankly shameful, they had a choice :

certain (or very high probability) slow death for millions

or

a possibility (with no backing evidence), that at some point in the future, some of the people fed by this food, might become ill .

I am sorry but there is only one answer, in all honesty, having looked in to the science behind GM, im perfectly happy to eat the stuff, and everyone reading these forums has been using GM products for a long time, wether they like it or not.

I am also happy to know that those vile scum have been killed. There is only one place for people like that... with their "god".

 

[xane]

Whether GM food is good or bad was not the issue, the food was rejected on the grounds it might be planted and would contaminate the non-GM crops that Zambia relies on for export.

WHO offered to mill the GM grain beforehand, to prevent planting, but this was rejected as well, one of Zambia's ministers described the US biotech grain as "poison". You don't need to be a political genius to realise there is obviously some underhand motive for not having the food, at the expense of starving people.

 

[legendario]

Originally posted by xane
Whether GM food is good or bad was not the issue, the food was rejected on the grounds it might be planted and would contaminate the non-GM crops that Zambia relies on for export.

Then it was the issue?

Its bad if it contaminates the other non-GM crops.

Its bad if it doesn't.

 

[legendario]

Originally posted by prime1
There is no evidence that GM foods causes any harm what so ever

Ther is no current evidence

 

[Testin da Cable]

Zambia rejected GM'd crops on the argument that they would contaminate the local food chain iirc. The alternative offer [milled GD grain] was also rejected [speculation by tree-hugging tdc] on principal because GM aer bad mmmmkay [/speculation by tree-hugging tdc] condemning millions to the slow death that is starvation.

 

[xane]

Originally posted by legendario
Ther is no current evidence

Could apply to anything, really.